Called Acell today

» » it would be nice to see at least some documented tangible evidence of
» the
» » positive effects in the cases willy mentioned in the form of pics to
» » substansiate claims, as its still hearsay, but i am still hopefull and
» im
» » glad to hear at least anecdotely that it was successful eliminating
» » scarring, it would be a huge breakthrough, that many could take
» advantage
» » of right now
»
» There is also that woman on the skin forum or whatever that used acell to
» get rid of her stretch marks.

What steps did she take? Did she have to create open wounds in the stretch mark area, then rub the acell powder on the open wounds?

Can anyone order the Acell powder, or do you need to be a medical license?

» » » it would be nice to see at least some documented tangible evidence of
» » the
» » » positive effects in the cases willy mentioned in the form of pics to
» » » substansiate claims, as its still hearsay, but i am still hopefull
» and
» » im
» » » glad to hear at least anecdotely that it was successful eliminating
» » » scarring, it would be a huge breakthrough, that many could take
» » advantage
» » » of right now
» »
» » There is also that woman on the skin forum or whatever that used acell
» to
» » get rid of her stretch marks.
»
»
» What steps did she take? Did she have to create open wounds in the
» stretch mark area, then rub the acell powder on the open wounds?
»
» Can anyone order the Acell powder, or do you need to be a medical license?

I think it was actually a guy, he did a chemical peel and mixed Acell-vet with emu oil. (acell actually recomend not to mix it with pretty much anything at all because it may degrade it)
He used Acell-vet because the human product was unavailable at the time.
He has since left the forum as his problem is cured (he used to make posts with pretty extreme regimens from what I could see).
He didn’t take photos of the procedure as he wasn’t sure it would work, but he was urging others to try and photograph their progress.

I’m not convinced of this guys credibility myself, but why would he lie? he made no gain from it as far as I know and no longer posts.

I found the link; Error

I’m not sure if you need a medical license but people on that site seem to be having a hard time getting hold of it from what I can tell.
Also when they just had their vet grade product they would only sell to vets.
It must be frustrating for them knowing that they may have a cure for their scrar problems but can’t get hold of it.

Here are some quotes for people who don’t want to read the thread;

"acell.com - I have mentioned their stuff before. I obtained a small sample of their powdered product. Bottom line…

strong tca then small amount of powder mixed with emu oil and covered with healing film = stretch mark totally healed.

This is a much better method than the sucessful one I outlined in a previous post and I think this is likely to work for a much broader range of people. Problem is obtaining product from acell as their current product is vet grade and I’m not sure they sell to just anyone. The sample I obtained I got via a contact who sadly cannot provide more."

"It’s a ridiculous policy(not selling it to non vets), but I’m sure there is a way around it.

The mark I tested this on was the worst one i had, the defect felt so deep and the skin so compromised that I was reluctant to be to harsh with it. When I managed to source some of acell’s stuff I thought I would go for it. Acell could make billions if they can package this up as something that the average Jane or Joe can use at home for removing scars and preventing their formation."

"My sample came from a contact that works in a vet office, but i doubt i will be able to obtain more from this source.

The way this stuff works requires that the area to be treated be open, you can’t just put it on closed skin. This is where the TCA comes in to prep the area to be treated and the emu oil as well as providing a base for the powder also carries it into the skin. Resolution of treated area is complete. The healed length is like baby skin, and this is consistent with what others have reported. It’s like the cellular clock has been reset in that area. Regarding price it should be inexpesnive in terms of production, but not sure what it will actually cost as an end product. It’s not actually all that complex to produce, maybe an enterprising biomed student will step forward."

“Other method is very painful and depending on your skin type could leave you with serious hyperpigmentation ot worse. If you have skin that reacts badly to harsh treatments then this method should be avoided. Acell powder method is much more gentle and I think it will work for a wider range of people. Pending further feedback I’d like to investigate a way we can get this stuff in quantity.”

“Let me know when you get your stuff. If you can photo document each step we’ll have something that others can see.”

http://thetartan.org/2008/10/13/scitech/stemcells

» » » I’m assuming that you mean that you don’t fully believe me…
» »
» » No, I don’t believe in Acell this time :stuck_out_tongue:
»
» OK

Willy,

Did you happen to send an email to Dr Gho? Perhaps Acell’s ECM would be more effective with his procedure, as their site claims that the grafts are transected longitudinally rather than an upper and lower transection. My thoughts are that if both the donor and recipient site each have some portion of all of the original cells, perhaps each site will have a more “complete” array of signaling molecules, thus a greater potential for both recipient and donor regeneration. Any thoughts? Again, thanks for all of your efforts Willy, they are greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Jonesing

» » » They also stated that we will probably see skin tissue regeneration
» » » long before we see any hair follicle regeneration within that tissue.
»
» » They
» » » stated that this may take several months…
» »
» » this time I want to belive you willy, seriously, but I can’t believe
» that
» » these aren’t only apologies, if they said that regeneration of hair
» » follicles after skin’s regeneration may will need several months,
» that’s
» » why acell don’t work in this way
»
» I don’t know what you mean by, “I can’t believe that these aren’t only
» apologies”. Literally, I don’t know what you mean. I’m assuming that you
» mean that you don’t fully believe me…and I can’t say that I blame you.
» I’m just some obscure poster on hairsite (that none of you know personally)
» so why should any of you trust me…if I were you, I would feel the same
» way.
»
» All I can say is that is what they are telling me over the phone. I’m not
» personally involved with Acell or any of the doctors using it. I promise
» you that what I post here is what they have told me. I really don’t belive
» that they are lying to me either. I have no way to know this for sure, but
» I really don’t think that they would have any reason to lie to me.
»
» I must admit that I thought that I would have heard something by now too,
» but I haven’t lost hope for hair regrowth. All we can do is wait. I’m
» going to call them again in about a month to see if there is anything new.
»
» For anyone who doesn’t believe me, I urge you to call Acell. I know that
» a few others did and were given the same information that I was. For those
» who are out of the country and can’t call Acell, you’ll either have to take
» my word for it or not believe me. Look at it this way, if you don’t
» beleive me and Acell fails, you won’t be disappointed but if Acell
» succeeds, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill

Willy from here I appreciate your proactive efforts

And I believe you 100%

I have researched and researched Acell and what you say fits the mould completely. UBM ECM regenerates the local host on every animal, mammal and reptile on this planet. If only people on the board researched. But posters on the board will either, 1. research, which I think some wont do, they will rely on information second hand or 2 wait to see it with their own eyes, which I think some will do, which is annoying as if they researched they would remove the nail biting shio.

» Willy,
»
» Did you happen to send an email to Dr Gho? Perhaps Acell’s ECM would be
» more effective with his procedure, as their site claims that the grafts are
» transected longitudinally rather than an upper and lower transection. My
» thoughts are that if both the donor and recipient site each have some
» portion of all of the original cells, perhaps each site will have a more
» “complete” array of signaling molecules, thus a greater potential for both
» recipient and donor regeneration. Any thoughts? Again, thanks for all of
» your efforts Willy, they are greatly appreciated.
»
» Regards,
»
» Jonesing

I e-mailed him back on August 6th, 2008. I received no response from him. I sent him another e-mail today (10/23/08) due to your post…we have nothing to lose if we try!

» As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
» I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a 92
» year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It was
» also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on their
» forehead with great success.

^^ so does this mean peaople like myself who have Ht scars would beable to razor shave their heads wihtout the scar being notice?

» As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
» I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a 92
» year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It was
» also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on their
» forehead with great success.

^^ so does this mean peaople like myself who have Ht scars would beable to razor shave their heads wihtout the scar being notice?

» » As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
»
» » I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» » that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» » missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a
» 92
» » year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It
» was
» » also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on
» their
» » forehead with great success.
»
» ^^ so does this mean peaople like myself who have Ht scars would beable to
» razor shave their heads wihtout the scar being notice?

Iwonder,

This is exactly what we are hoping for. Meanwhile , be patient and try not to get your expectations too high.

» » As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
»
» » I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» » that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» » missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a
» 92
» » year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It
» was
» » also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on
» their
» » forehead with great success.
»
» ^^ so does this mean peaople like myself who have Ht scars would beable to
» razor shave their heads wihtout the scar being notice?

I agree with Amilicar. This is what we are hoping for (and hopefully hair regeneration along with tissue regeneration) and it looks promising so far (at least as far as tissue regeneration goes) but PLEASE DO NOT GET YOUR HOPES UP TOO HIGH JUST IN CASE IT TURNS OUT TO BE ANOTHER FAILURE.

Take Care,
Bill

» » As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
»
» » I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» » that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» » missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a
» 92
» » year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It
» was
» » also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on
» their
» » forehead with great success.
»
» ^^ so does this mean peaople like myself who have Ht scars would beable to
» razor shave their heads wihtout the scar being notice?

Called Acell today. They require a medical license for purchase. A 100mg container of powder is $250, $300 for a single sheet, sold in boxes.

» but PLEASE DO NOT GET YOUR
» HOPES UP TOO HIGH JUST IN CASE IT TURNS OUT TO BE ANOTHER FAILURE.

this will be SURELY another failure, just because since august we should know at this time if it works or not… how many months are needed to see if a fu.cking fue will regrow a fu.cking hair? 5 months? I think that acell will be useful only for scar, but not for regenerate hair :frowning:

» » but PLEASE DO NOT GET YOUR
» » HOPES UP TOO HIGH JUST IN CASE IT TURNS OUT TO BE ANOTHER FAILURE.
»
» this will be SURELY another failure, just because since august we should
» know at this time if it works or not… how many months are needed to see if
» a fu.cking fue will regrow a fu.cking hair? 5 months? I think that acell
» will be useful only for scar, but not for regenerate hair :frowning:

Scar treatment? That all that i care for… iam ready to shave my hair off

» As far as I know, Dr. Umar used the Acell material with a FUE procedure.
» I spoke with Acell on Monday (10/20) and asked about results. They said
» that the military is getting great results on regrowth of tissue with
» missing fingers. They also said that it was used in scar repair with a 92
» year old melanoma patient and the patient is virtually scar free. It was
» also used for scar revision with a person who had a scar repair on their
» forehead with great success.
»
» As far as hair regrowth goes, they still haven’t gotten results from Dr.
» Umar. They also stated that we will probably see skin tissue regeneration
» long before we see any hair follicle regeneration within that tissue. They
» stated that this may take several months…so, we may not know anything
» for a few months. I’m going to call them in about a month to see if there
» is anything new to report.

Willy,
Are any of the HT doc’s who have received shipments of Acell also one of the doc’s that replied to your emails? If so, do you think it would be helpful to ask them directly about their progress?

Except for the soles of your feet and palms of your hands, your body is covered with hair.

It’s just that a lot of those hairs are too small to notice.

THAT MEANS IF ACELL HAS EVER REGROWN ANY SKIN ON ANYBODY,

ANYWHERE,

AT ANY TIME, TODAY, YESTERDAY, LAST YEAR’S EXPERIMENTS . . .

THEN IF IT DOES REGROW HAIR FOLLICLES, IT WILL AREADY HAVE DONE SO.

HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO ASK ACELL IF THEY EVER LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE REGROWN SKIN FROM PAST TRIALS, TO SEE IF THERE ARE TINY HAIRS GROWING FROM IT?

IF SO, THAT BODES WELL FOR REGENERATING HEAD HAIR.

IF NOT, NOT.

» Except for the soles of your feet and palms of your hands, your body is
» covered with hair.
»
» It’s just that a lot of those hairs are too small to notice.
»
» THAT MEANS IF ACELL HAS EVER REGROWN ANY SKIN ON ANYBODY,
»
» ANYWHERE,
»
» AT ANY TIME, TODAY, YESTERDAY, LAST YEAR’S EXPERIMENTS . . .
»
» THEN IF IT DOES REGROW HAIR FOLLICLES, IT WILL AREADY HAVE DONE SO.
»
» HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO ASK ACELL IF THEY EVER LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE
» REGROWN SKIN FROM PAST TRIALS, TO SEE IF THERE ARE TINY HAIRS GROWING FROM
» IT?
»
» IF SO, THAT BODES WELL FOR REGENERATING HEAD HAIR.
»
» IF NOT, NOT.

tiny hairs? it would really be much nicer if big hairs grew.

but seriously i don’t think they are growing ANY hairs.

didn’t a guy at acell actually tell willy (who started this whole acell thing on hairsite) that he didn’t think acell would grow new hairs when tested by the ht docs?

and this wasn’t months and months ago when willy first contacted acell, this was just recently, a couple of weeks ago, when willy called them again just to check if they had sent their acell stuff to the ht doctors.

that’s right. the guy at acell TOLD WILLY, outright, that he didn’t think acell would grow any new hairs when tested by the ht doctors.

this kind of indicates to me that they never saw any new hairs growing in the first place on the animals they were testing.

because acell was never really intended to grow new hairs. willy only THOUGHT he saw new hairs growing on those PICTURES OF DOGS ON THE INTERNET, because the healing of the wounds looked like it was working so well.

the skin looked as if it was closing up so well, that i think willy IMAGINED he was seeing new hair growing, or at least wanted to wish it was true.

there’s a big difference between IMAGINING and HOPING something you really want to happen, from looking at a bunch of pictures, and actually knowing it will happen, or having real scientific evidence of it

then after willy IMAGINED he saw new hairs growing, he contacted acell and suggested they send their stuff to some ht docs to have the ht docs test it. and willy contacted a bunch of ht docs to get them to test acell. some agreed.

but the people at acell NEVER EVER claimed in the first place that the stuff was growing new hair, on humans, on animals, on anyone or anything!

don’t you think that if they saw it growing a bunch of new hair on those dogs, it would occur to one of the scientists at acell to test the shyte for humans, or to propose it for human hairloss like mpb???

why did it take willy, someone from the outside, a mere hairsite forum member, to contact acell and suggest this ‘obvious’ idea to them?

you mean they were sitting on a potential gold mine hair regeneration formula, and all they wanted to use this shyte for was to help vets make animals wounds heal better???

just doesn’t sound credible to me. sounds like a vast misundersanding…

remember acell NEVER EVER claimed that shyte was growing hair on anything, whether dog, cat, mouse, human, pig, or goat. :stuck_out_tongue:

» » Except for the soles of your feet and palms of your hands, your body is
» » covered with hair.
» »
» » It’s just that a lot of those hairs are too small to notice.
» »
» » THAT MEANS IF ACELL HAS EVER REGROWN ANY SKIN ON ANYBODY,
» »
» » ANYWHERE,
» »
» » AT ANY TIME, TODAY, YESTERDAY, LAST YEAR’S EXPERIMENTS . . .
» »
» » THEN IF IT DOES REGROW HAIR FOLLICLES, IT WILL AREADY HAVE DONE SO.
» »
» » HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO ASK ACELL IF THEY EVER LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE
» » REGROWN SKIN FROM PAST TRIALS, TO SEE IF THERE ARE TINY HAIRS GROWING
» FROM
» » IT?
» »
» » IF SO, THAT BODES WELL FOR REGENERATING HEAD HAIR.
» »
» » IF NOT, NOT.
»
» tiny hairs? it would really be much nicer if big hairs grew.
»
» but seriously i don’t think they are growing ANY hairs.
»
» didn’t a guy at acell actually tell willy (who started this whole acell
» thing on hairsite) that he didn’t think acell would grow new hairs when
» tested by the ht docs?
»
» and this wasn’t months and months ago when willy first contacted acell,
» this was just recently, a couple of weeks ago, when willy called them again
» just to check if they had sent their acell stuff to the ht doctors.
»
» that’s right. the guy at acell TOLD WILLY, outright, that he didn’t
» think acell would grow any new hairs when tested by the ht doctors.
»
» this kind of indicates to me that they never saw any new hairs growing in
» the first place on the animals they were testing.
»
» because acell was never really intended to grow new hairs. willy only
» THOUGHT he saw new hairs growing on those PICTURES OF DOGS ON THE INTERNET,
» because the healing of the wounds looked like it was working so well.
»
» the skin looked as if it was closing up so well, that i think willy
» IMAGINED he was seeing new hair growing, or at least wanted to wish it was
» true.
»
» there’s a big difference between IMAGINING and HOPING something you really
» want to happen, from looking at a bunch of pictures, and actually knowing
» it will happen, or having real scientific evidence of it
»
» then after willy IMAGINED he saw new hairs growing, he contacted acell and
» suggested they send their stuff to some ht docs to have the ht docs test
» it. and willy contacted a bunch of ht docs to get them to test acell.
» some agreed.
»
» but the people at acell NEVER EVER claimed in the first place that the
» stuff was growing new hair, on humans, on animals, on anyone or anything!
»
» don’t you think that if they saw it growing a bunch of new hair on those
» dogs, it would occur to one of the scientists at acell to test the shyte
» for humans, or to propose it for human hairloss like mpb???
»
» why did it take willy, someone from the outside, a mere hairsite forum
» member, to contact acell and suggest this ‘obvious’ idea to them?
»
» you mean they were sitting on a potential gold mine hair regeneration
» formula, and all they wanted to use this shyte for was to help vets make
» animals wounds heal better???
»
» just doesn’t sound credible to me. sounds like a vast
» misundersanding…
»
» remember acell NEVER EVER claimed that shyte was growing hair on anything,
» whether dog, cat, mouse, human, pig, or goat. :stuck_out_tongue:

If you look at the logic of ECM & ECM applications, every animal on the planet uses it, and when applied to wounds they happen regenerate the host tissueto the host state.

» If you look at the logic of ECM & ECM applications, every animal on the
» planet uses it, and when applied to wounds they happen regenerate the host
» tissueto the host state.

fred, with what guarantee? i don’t think you can rightly say that it regenerates the host tissue to the host state. u mean the state before the injury? exactly? where is the evidence of that?

so you’re saying that the stuff will not grow new hair if the tissue is not injured, but if the tissue is injured, it will grow new hair?

show me the proof… where did this happen?

» show me the proof… where did this happen?

In wikipedia :smiley:

» show me the proof… where did this happen?

There is none…it hasn’t.