» I think it is completely pointless to talk about Follica as they don’t
» even know when human trials will begin. Well, sorry but some of us like talking about Follica and will continue to do so. Feel free to ignore us and dont even look at threads that are follica related if they annoy you. There are posters here who annoy me, but I just ignore them.
» Even though I have pretty much dismissed the dream that ICX will give me
» my life back,they are the only people offering a solution that can be
» available to the public anytime soon.Actually Follica and ACELL are two other viable possibilities to do this. In fact, since ICX and Aderans have been workign on HM since about 2002, but still dont have a working protocol ready to sell yet, it would seem that the later two companies might have a much better chance. You haven’t seen NBC news willing to do stories on ICX or Aderans yet have you? Probably because the medical editor wouldn’t approve of the stories after researching them, as they just haven’t presented enough evidence to be worthy of a story yet.
Like I said before,I am really down &
» am desperate for anything that will help me.Can it be that ICX-TRC can
» regrow hairs,just not to the level they had hoped? That is very likely to be the case. They have grown some hairs, but not nearly enough. If they were growing chia pets on men’s heads, you would have seen pictures of men with new hair by now. Maybe it can grow 30-40
» hairs/cm2? I’d be happy if it was doing that much, one could just get the procedure done yearly to increase results hopefully. I would be very happy with that result as I could cover my
» scars.Do you think they would still be willing to release a product that
» wont cover your head but offer some coverage at least? I dont know if there is enough market potential for something that just gave you “comb over” results for them to spend enough money for a phase three FDA trial to justify it, even though I wish they would market a product that gave “comb over” results so one could hopefully just get it done again and again over the years to increase the results myself. »
» Also,what do you think about Farjo’s comments in regards to combining DP
» cells with keratin? My donor area has pretty much been destroyed.I would be
» willing to undergo a traditional HTP with hairs that were grown outside of
» my body. This is the best observation you have made in my opinion. Aderans is supposedly working on just this scenario. They are supposedly using tissue matrices to grow proto-hairs from dermal papilla cells and other cells for re-implantation back into the body later. Obviously they weren’t having the success they were hoping for with the straight cellular injections into the body as they had hoped to and this is why its taking so much longer. Will they have success? I dont know. I hope they do. I hope they ALL do. I want patten baldness defeated for all humanity. It is certainly a better solution than this ridiculous body hair
» transplants. Body hair transplants haven’t worked out like I had hoped. They just cant be placed as closely togehter as we would like, and not everybody’s body hair takes on longer growth phases. The hair also doesn’t get wider with diameter when placed up there even with the greater blood supply. However, a few really badly scarred men have had some success with them and Im happy some of those guys got their lives back, and Im glad some doctors were willing to try it. In my opinion, only men with very hair bodies with very large body hairs would have a chance at having acceptable coverage with body hair as matter of routine. Even then, its still a whale of a time/m monetary commitment. I have to consider this scenario for people like yourself though…lets say follica in the MPB area just doesn’t work well or just makes more MPB hair that only last a couple of years, but abrading the chest or face could make alot more body or beard hair for a man who has thick chest hair or a mega-beard…just perhaps some of these men could be helped by “making” more body hair to be used “up there”. Its certainly not the elegant solution I want for humanity, but I would like to see the scarred guys in particular get coverage as the buzz is out of the question for the really badly scarred at this point. Maybe ACELL will be able to do something for that scarring down the line though. Im not quick to look down on any possibility for prematurely balding, hurting, scarred up men as you can probably tell. We could have an endless amount of scalp hair to cover our
» heads. Everyone could have tens of thousands of grafts transplanted into
» their scalp. This to me seems to be the most realistic solution to our
» problems. Yep, that would be great. It’s not what we have all hoped for but it’s better than hiding
» under a baseball cap. (Or a wig, even worse).I wonder if ICX has been trialling this as well or if
» they have just been focusing on injecting the scalp with cells? What do you
» know about this overlooked option ? Aderans is now reputably attempting growing hair in tissue matrices outside the body and ICX stopped researching furhter, but will finish their current trial with abrading the scalp-injecting their cellular mix of dp cells and other inductive cells cultivated from donor hair. They only mention they have gottent “13 to 103 percent increases in hair” despite the men not being on finasteride. The thing is, that an increase in 50% on a man who has 10 measley hairs per square inch in a balding area is only 5 extra hairs. This isn’t very exciting if you know what I mean. ICX could have quelled all these questions by simply taking before and after pictures and being willing to show them like anyone else would have, but they declined to do this…which looks very very evasive, as if they have something to hide (like weak regrowth).
» Thanks for your time guys.
My idea…and has been my idea all along in regards to ICX and Aderans was this: Have hair removal (they could use follica’s hair removal patent of plucking, waiting three days, abrading, and then applying epidermal growth factor) performed on your thighs. Then, use the cultivating method of your dp cells contrived from 100 donor hairs added to other inductive cells just like normal, AND INJECT THESE INTO YOUR THIGHS. Any hairs or follicular units that appeared should be head hairs----which could be FUE’ed out by a competent surgeon like Cole, Umar, Woods, Jones, etc. back to your scalp. Its not elegant, and would probably have to be done several times…but you’d probably get hair up there on your noggin’ after three or four attempts by using your body as a scaffold IN THE NOW instead of trying to develop a tissue-matrix technology. Its unelegant though and will never happen in my opinion, but it may have worked well enough to get some guys lives back. They grew a jaw in one German dude’s back and put it back in his face and it worked…theyve grown an ear in a mouse’s back and it worked, so why not this?
You might pay attention in the coming months to the follica discussion going on at various places as some guys really do appear to be “trying this at home”, and maybe someone will have success. I certainly hope one of them does, so that we can all cop his procedure.