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Baldies have 3X scalp DHT, and more androgen receptors


#1

…“Both women and men with androgenetic alopecia have higher levels of androgen receptors and 5-reductase type 1 and 2 in frontal than in occipital hair follicles, whereas higher levels of aromatase were found in their occipital follicles (Sawaya and Price, 1997). Aromatase content in women’s frontal hair follicles was six times greater than in frontal hair follicles in men. Frontal hair follicles in women had 3 and 3.5 times less 5-reductase type 1 and 2, respectively, than frontal hair follicles in men (Sawaya and Price, 1997).”

That is from this, http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v119/n5/full/5601659a.html
article from the Journal of Investigative Dermatology. Its in the paragraph labelled “[ANDROGENIC ALOPECIA]”

Pretty much says it all doesn’t it guys?

Its not shampoo, its not short haircuts, its not big pillows, its not “tension”, its not edema, its not combs, its not lack of this or that. Its too much DHT, and too many androgen receptor sites on the follicles. Period.


#2

» …“Both women and men with androgenetic alopecia have higher levels of
» androgen receptors and 5-reductase type 1 and 2 in frontal than in
» occipital hair follicles, whereas higher levels of aromatase were found in
» their occipital follicles (Sawaya and Price, 1997). Aromatase content in
» women’s frontal hair follicles was six times greater than in frontal hair
» follicles in men. Frontal hair follicles in women had 3 and 3.5 times less
» 5-reductase type 1 and 2, respectively, than frontal hair follicles in men
» (Sawaya and Price, 1997).”
»
»
» That is from this,
» http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v119/n5/full/5601659a.html
» article from the Journal of Investigative Dermatology. Its in the
» paragraph labelled “[ANDROGENIC ALOPECIA]”
»
»
»
» Pretty much says it all doesn’t it guys?
»
»
»
» Its not shampoo, its not short haircuts, its not big pillows, its not
» “tension”, its not edema, its not combs, its not lack of this or that. Its
» too much DHT, and too many androgen receptor sites on the follicles.
» Period.

dont expect a logical argument from the fraud cult monkeys, they have no idea how to back up their bs, and they are all bald anyway


#3

Yes Hangin, you are right.

I just hope one or two who might be ghosting and want to believe the loonies can see that scientists are really working on this and are finding the reasons why we bald and what can be done about it.

I always thought a balding scientist would be the one to “cure” baldness, and with Washenik and Kemp and Stenn being guys who have lost hair, I think I’ll be right on that point.


#4

By this time tomorrow this thread will be half a page long & have absolutely nothing to do with HM.


#5

» By this time tomorrow this thread will be half a page long & have
» absolutely nothing to do with HM.

Let me spark the plugs…:lol3:

Androgenetic alopecia is caused by high levels of DHT and not SLS contained in shampoos guys. Nobody went bald due to shampooing and if he did he could reverse it (probably was something else)! Nobody has restored his hair loss from androgenetic alopecia.

My opinion is based on facts.


#6

» » By this time tomorrow this thread will be half a page long & have
» » absolutely nothing to do with HM.
»
» Let me spark the plugs…:lol3:
»
» Androgenetic alopecia is caused by high levels of DHT and not SLS
» contained in shampoos guys. Nobody went bald due to shampooing and if he
» did he could reverse it (probably was something else)! Nobody has restored
» his hair loss from androgenetic alopecia.
»
» My opinion is based on facts.

The DHT kills your follicles, and after years of accumulation the follicles miniaturize, and die, and stop producing hair, The body attacks the hair follicles like a foreign body, and then they die. When i added natural DHT blockers in 1999, luckily I respond to them, and my hair regenerated amazingly, except in the crown where i have a bald spot and there was ZERO response, since the follicles are dead

all of my thickening on the sides and back was while using deadly evil shampoo with SLS


#7

» The DHT kills your follicles, and after years of accumulation the
» follicles miniaturize, and die, and stop producing hair, The body attacks
» the hair follicles like a foreign body, and then they die. When i added
» natural DHT blockers in 1999, luckily I respond to them, and my hair
» regenerated amazingly, except in the crown where i have a bald spot and
» there was ZERO response, since the follicles are dead
»
» all of my thickening on the sides and back was while using deadly evil
» shampoo with SLS

That is a fact. Follicles die unfortunately after some years of atrophy. (there is were intercytex’s icx-trc neogenesis applies)
So how is possible to restore a NW6 by stopping shampooing (I really like this word :stuck_out_tongue: )?

I want to ask Kramer what he uses in order clean oily scalp since he use only water?
Thank u!


#8

» » The DHT kills your follicles, and after years of accumulation the
» » follicles miniaturize, and die, and stop producing hair, The body
» attacks
» » the hair follicles like a foreign body, and then they die. When i added
» » natural DHT blockers in 1999, luckily I respond to them, and my hair
» » regenerated amazingly, except in the crown where i have a bald spot and
» » there was ZERO response, since the follicles are dead
» »
» » all of my thickening on the sides and back was while using deadly evil
» » shampoo with SLS
»
» That is a fact. Follicles die unfortunately after some years of atrophy.
» (there is were intercytex’s icx-trc neogenesis applies)
» So how is possible to restore a NW6 by stopping shampooing (I really like
» this word :stuck_out_tongue: )?
»
» I want to ask Kramer what he uses in order clean oily scalp since he use
» only water?
» Thank u!

ask Kramer how to regrow hair with no shampoo since he admits he has ZERO RESPONSE after THREE YEARS to no shampoo

he is stupid enough to believe HIS LEADER than it takes 3 to 5 yrs , to regrow hair

here is a newsflash dunce Kramer, if you were bald and were going to regrow all your hair in 3 to 5 yrs, at year three, you would already have a ton of hair at least HALF your hair would be back


#9

Probably the no-shampooing theory works suddenly. Like flash out of nowhere…:surprised:


#10

Hello all,

why are you all talking about the shampoo thing and at the same time expecting that the followers don’t show up and talk about it?

Let’s drop the subject of shampoo in the HM forum as it has nothing to with HM.

Let’s discuss this shampoo thing in the topicals forum.


#11

Bugler,

Just imagine what is going to happen in this forum if finally the non-shampoo guys fail posting NW1 photos on July the 15th!:lol3:

On the other hand imagine what is going to happen if they do post photos and state that they have finally found the Cure of Androgenetic Alopecia!

Man, the 3rd world war will begin from this forum!!!:hungry:
THe truth is out there…


#12

» » By this time tomorrow this thread will be half a page long & have
» » absolutely nothing to do with HM.
»
» Let me spark the plugs…:lol3:
»
» Androgenetic alopecia is caused by high levels of DHT and not SLS
» contained in shampoos guys. Nobody went bald due to shampooing and if he
» did he could reverse it (probably was something else)! Nobody has restored
» his hair loss from androgenetic alopecia.
»
» My opinion is based on facts.

Imor, I agree that DHT plays a major role, but it is way more complex than that; otherwise a lot of the evidence doesn’t make sense. I believe that the Estrogens play a very signififcant role; especially now that we know that there are alpha and beta ERs expressed (with one acting similarly to the AR).

Re the fact that nobody has restored hair, I don’t think that is true; and I don’t think hair follicles ever completely die. My view is based on the fact that I have grown terminal hairs on my crown and an inch infront of my current hairline; in both cases there has been no hair in either place for several years (I began balding 30 years ago and was completely bald in the crown).


#13

.» Imor, I agree that DHT plays a major role, but it is way more complex than
» that; otherwise a lot of the evidence doesn’t make sense. I believe that
» the Estrogens play a very signififcant role; especially now that we know
» that there are alpha and beta ERs expressed (with one acting similarly to
» the AR).
»
» Re the fact that nobody has restored hair, I don’t think that is true; and
» I don’t think hair follicles ever completely die. My view is based on the
» fact that I have grown terminal hairs on my crown and an inch infront of
» my current hairline; in both cases there has been no hair in either place
» for several years (I began balding 30 years ago and was completely bald in
» the crown).

And you ascribe this success to the combo finasteride + anastrozole if I remember? What would you make of a tamoxifen-finasteride combo?


#14

» .» Imor, I agree that DHT plays a major role, but it is way more complex
» than
» » that; otherwise a lot of the evidence doesn’t make sense. I believe
» that
» » the Estrogens play a very signififcant role; especially now that we
» know
» » that there are alpha and beta ERs expressed (with one acting similarly
» to
» » the AR).
» »
» » Re the fact that nobody has restored hair, I don’t think that is true;
» and
» » I don’t think hair follicles ever completely die. My view is based on
» the
» » fact that I have grown terminal hairs on my crown and an inch infront
» of
» » my current hairline; in both cases there has been no hair in either
» place
» » for several years (I began balding 30 years ago and was completely bald
» in
» » the crown).
»
» And you ascribe this success to the combo finasteride + anastrozole if I
» remember? What would you make of a tamoxifen-finasteride combo?

If only it were as simple as fin & anast; in truth I use many more things than this.

Re tamoxifen, I think it is more dangerous than anastrozole. I did research the use of Indole-3-Carbinole and DIM to modulate bad Estrogens; I3C is a chemical found in broccoli.

I thing SERM/SARM research will provide the best options in the next few years, and Tamoxifen is just one of the early members of this family. Until then we tackle the problem with the big stick and try to completely block DHT and E synthesis.


#15

» I believe that the Estrogens play a very signififcant role;

I agree. They play a beneficial role.

Bryan


#16

» » I believe that the Estrogens play a very signififcant role;
»
» I agree. They play a beneficial role.
»
» Bryan

Where is your research Bryan?

Please ensure that your research covers ER-alpha and ER-beta and the complete family of estrogens.

Tx.


#17

» » » I believe that the Estrogens play a very signififcant role;
» »
» » I agree. They play a beneficial role.
» »
» » Bryan
»
» Where is your research Bryan?
»
» Please ensure that your research covers ER-alpha and ER-beta and the
» complete family of estrogens.
»
» Tx.

I’ll reply over in the other threads, to save time and avoid unnecessary duplication.

Bryan


#18

» Imor, I agree that DHT plays a major role, but it is way more complex than
» that; otherwise a lot of the evidence doesn’t make sense. I believe that
» the Estrogens play a very signififcant role; especially now that we know
» that there are alpha and beta ERs expressed (with one acting similarly to
» the AR).
»
» Re the fact that nobody has restored hair, I don’t think that is true; and
» I don’t think hair follicles ever completely die. My view is based on the
» fact that I have grown terminal hairs on my crown and an inch infront of
» my current hairline; in both cases there has been no hair in either place
» for several years (I began balding 30 years ago and was completely bald in
» the crown).

Hi,
What do you try? Let us know. It’s good to see you are getting positive.