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#1

i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an ht. Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times and i dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered me long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed it down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the possibility that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his sister. However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has not been great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not that they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i greatly appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than gracious, answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and location and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure what to do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that is far more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less than 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just need some work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work max. I realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not? Both clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I realize everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and kindness i would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the bet possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my instincsts in regard to that, while also considering any future implications. i appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks

Raines


#2

» i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an ht.
» Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times and i
» dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered me
» long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed it
» down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the possibility
» that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his sister.
» However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has not been
» great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not that
» they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i greatly
» appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than gracious,
» answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I
» realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and location
» and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure what to
» do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that is far
» more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less than
» 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to
» strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just need some
» work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work max. I
» realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not? Both
» clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I realize
» everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them
» regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and kindness i
» would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt
» professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been
» incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the bet
» possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my instincsts
» in regard to that, while also considering any future implications. i
» appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks
»
» Raines

Without wanting to sound biased I think you have answered your own question. The answer seems to be BHR. As you say, both clinics have a great reputation. Armani has not been practicing FUE for that long although they say that they have been refining their technique for quite a while before going public and their results are great. They do have a particular angle on Fu numbers which is very high.

BHR also have great results and experience. both clinics have a great reputation for creating excellent angulation in the hairline.

My problem with Armani, is that they calculate the reserve FU by quoting that 50% of there abouts can be removed. This is at odds with all other experienced clinics and they do not have the data to back this up. As a result,it may be that their approach could leave you very very short later on. BHR have both excellent results and also a realistic approach to future work. Their prices are also better.

If you can guarantee that you will not progress in you norward class then Armani is an interesting option, but who can guarantee that?

If you need a small FUE session only and live in Europe then it is a no brainer, BHR.


#3

» i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an ht.
» Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times and i
» dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered me
» long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed it
» down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the possibility
» that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his sister.
» However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has not been
» great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not that
» they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i greatly
» appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than gracious,
» answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I
» realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and location
» and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure what to
» do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that is far
» more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less than
» 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to
» strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just need some
» work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work max. I
» realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not? Both
» clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I realize
» everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them
» regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and kindness i
» would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt
» professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been
» incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the bet
» possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my instincsts
» in regard to that, while also considering any future implications. i
» appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks
»
» Raines

I have never seen Armani patients with fewer than 2000 grafts, the typical number appears to be 3000 grafts and more, sometimes I think they are too aggressive lowering the hairlines for the younger guys, you should also try Cole, he does a lot of small procedures with just enough grafts to make a nice difference.


#4

» » i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an ht.
»
» » Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times and
» i
» » dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered me
» » long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed
» it
» » down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the
» possibility
» » that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his
» sister.
» » However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has not
» been
» » great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not
» that
» » they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i
» greatly
» » appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than
» gracious,
» » answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I
» » realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and
» location
» » and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure what
» to
» » do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that is
» far
» » more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less than
» » 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to
» » strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just need
» some
» » work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work max.
» I
» » realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not?
» Both
» » clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I
» realize
» » everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them
» » regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and kindness
» i
» » would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt
» » professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been
» » incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the bet
» » possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my
» instincsts
» » in regard to that, while also considering any future implications. i
» » appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks
» »
» » Raines
»
» I have never seen Armani patients with fewer than 2000 grafts, the typical
» number appears to be 3000 grafts and more, sometimes I think they are too
» aggressive lowering the hairlines for the younger guys, you should also try
» Cole, he does a lot of small procedures with just enough grafts to make a
» nice difference.

Thank you both for the replies. I dont live in Europe, im in the US, but this is something i certainly do not mind traveling for. Im not sure that Dr. Cole is an option simply because i think he is a bit to conservative for what i want to achieve. But again i cant be certain. I am certain that i rpob will not get better value for my dollar than with Bisanga. However, with travel expenses im sure that will all even out. I have submitted online consultation forms to numerous doctors, probably a majority of which post on this site or have some for of representative posting. The only three that ever returned my submission were the armani clinic, Dr. Umar, and Dr. Bisanga. It jsut so happens that these three were atop my list. Umar seemed like a good option but he increased his prices recently from 5 to 7 per graft. That is still relatively on the lower end of quality fue but he was vague in answering some of my questions. With Armani, i cant get any answers, but i do love what i see in terms of their results. I know many are critical of his work, but i personally think the guy knows what hes doing when it come to creating hairlines and i think his sister is very gifted as well, however i definitely dont need 2000 graft, and thy will not allow me to do less. My opinion is that while i never want to remove more than necessary, its not as though i will be throwing them away, hopefully the additionals would be placed into areaswhere i will need them down the road. I also think Dr Bisanga is a very talented surgeon as well, and like i said before, no on even came close to being half as gracious as BHR. Philip is incredible in terms of correspondence. if i write he literally gets back to me usually within an hour answering every question to the smallest of details…the guy is an encyclopedia. I even got a phone call from Dr. Bisanga. I was blown away, all this time researching and trying to contact clinics and never once did i ever actually speak to a doctor on the phone…i was starting to think half of these guys werent even real people. at the end of the day it is the quality of the work that matters most, but patient care and service both before during and after the procedure should not be overlooked. Most doctors are so busy that there is a dearth of quality care in the field. Regardless of where i inevitably get my procedure done i have to say that BHR has earned my sincerest respect. As a medical student i can tell you that i have learned a lot about patient care and bedside manner, and as a patient i have had experience with numerous doctors throughout the course of my life. One day if and when i have my own general medical clinic, i hope to be able to treat patients with the same level of care, respect, and integrity that i have received from BHR.

Let me further state as a disclaimer that my opinion is strictly my own, completely unsolicited. I am a prospective patient just like the rest of you and have no ties nor affiliation with anyone. while i still do not know what my resolution is, i will make my final decision on who i believe to be the best doctor. But patient care is a field of interest that i am passionate about and one that should never be overlooked and that will certainly factor largely into my final decision.


#5

Hi Raines,

I share a lot of the same opinions as you regarding these clinics as far as results and patient care. I too wish armani’s patient care mirrored their advertised results.

Just wondering, what rates have these various clinics quoted you? You said Umar runs 5-7/graft which is on the lower end of what high quality clinics are. What have armani and BHR said to you?

» » » i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an
» ht.
» »
» » » Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times
» and
» » i
» » » dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered
» me
» » » long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed
» » it
» » » down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the
» » possibility
» » » that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his
» » sister.
» » » However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has
» not
» » been
» » » great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not
» » that
» » » they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i
» » greatly
» » » appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than
» » gracious,
» » » answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I
» » » realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and
» » location
» » » and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure
» what
» » to
» » » do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that
» is
» » far
» » » more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less
» than
» » » 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to
» » » strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just
» need
» » some
» » » work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work
» max.
» » I
» » » realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not?
»
» » Both
» » » clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I
» » realize
» » » everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them
» » » regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and
» kindness
» » i
» » » would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt
» » » professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been
» » » incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the
» bet
» » » possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my
» » instincsts
» » » in regard to that, while also considering any future implications.
» i
» » » appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks
» » »
» » » Raines
» »
» » I have never seen Armani patients with fewer than 2000 grafts, the
» typical
» » number appears to be 3000 grafts and more, sometimes I think they are
» too
» » aggressive lowering the hairlines for the younger guys, you should also
» try
» » Cole, he does a lot of small procedures with just enough grafts to make
» a
» » nice difference.
»
» Thank you both for the replies. I dont live in Europe, im in the US, but
» this is something i certainly do not mind traveling for. Im not sure that
» Dr. Cole is an option simply because i think he is a bit to conservative
» for what i want to achieve. But again i cant be certain. I am certain
» that i rpob will not get better value for my dollar than with Bisanga.
» However, with travel expenses im sure that will all even out. I have
» submitted online consultation forms to numerous doctors, probably a
» majority of which post on this site or have some for of representative
» posting. The only three that ever returned my submission were the armani
» clinic, Dr. Umar, and Dr. Bisanga. It jsut so happens that these three
» were atop my list. Umar seemed like a good option but he increased his
» prices recently from 5 to 7 per graft. That is still relatively on the
» lower end of quality fue but he was vague in answering some of my
» questions. With Armani, i cant get any answers, but i do love what i see
» in terms of their results. I know many are critical of his work, but i
» personally think the guy knows what hes doing when it come to creating
» hairlines and i think his sister is very gifted as well, however i
» definitely dont need 2000 graft, and thy will not allow me to do less. My
» opinion is that while i never want to remove more than necessary, its not
» as though i will be throwing them away, hopefully the additionals would be
» placed into areaswhere i will need them down the road. I also think Dr
» Bisanga is a very talented surgeon as well, and like i said before, no on
» even came close to being half as gracious as BHR. Philip is incredible in
» terms of correspondence. if i write he literally gets back to me usually
» within an hour answering every question to the smallest of details…the
» guy is an encyclopedia. I even got a phone call from Dr. Bisanga. I was
» blown away, all this time researching and trying to contact clinics and
» never once did i ever actually speak to a doctor on the phone…i was
» starting to think half of these guys werent even real people. at the end
» of the day it is the quality of the work that matters most, but patient
» care and service both before during and after the procedure should not be
» overlooked. Most doctors are so busy that there is a dearth of quality
» care in the field. Regardless of where i inevitably get my procedure done
» i have to say that BHR has earned my sincerest respect. As a medical
» student i can tell you that i have learned a lot about patient care and
» bedside manner, and as a patient i have had experience with numerous
» doctors throughout the course of my life. One day if and when i have my
» own general medical clinic, i hope to be able to treat patients with the
» same level of care, respect, and integrity that i have received from BHR.
»
»
» Let me further state as a disclaimer that my opinion is strictly my own,
» completely unsolicited. I am a prospective patient just like the rest of
» you and have no ties nor affiliation with anyone. while i still do not
» know what my resolution is, i will make my final decision on who i believe
» to be the best doctor. But patient care is a field of interest that i am
» passionate about and one that should never be overlooked and that will
» certainly factor largely into my final decision.


#6

It seems that you have made your decision and did some homework as well. I just wanted to add my two cents. I was in a similar situation last year and went with Armani and it was a great decision for me. Everything that I have encountered with Armani and his staff has been excellent. I am approaching my three month mark and my expectations with them is beyond what I expected. But the one important thing here is that you didnt jump right into some local HT doctor office and commit to them for a cheap price. It seems you did your research and became very educated on the procedure. I wish you the best of luck and hope everything works out.


#7

Hello Raines,

My name is Eric and I work for the Alvi Armani clinic. If you would like a free online consultation please email me your photos showing your current condition to eric@alviarmani.com

I will represent your photos to Dr. Armani himself and get his recommendations. This is totally free and with no obligation.

I hope to hear from you, and more important, I hope you make a decision that you are comfortable with and get the great results you deserve!

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#8

» It seems that you have made your decision and did some homework as well. I
» just wanted to add my two cents. I was in a similar situation last year
» and went with Armani and it was a great decision for me. Everything that I
» have encountered with Armani and his staff has been excellent. I am
» approaching my three month mark and my expectations with them is beyond
» what I expected. But the one important thing here is that you didnt jump
» right into some local HT doctor office and commit to them for a cheap
» price. It seems you did your research and became very educated on the
» procedure. I wish you the best of luck and hope everything works out.

Thank you Leong,
yes i have recently made up my mind. I have no doubt that this is a win win situation for me, s i am sure that either clinic could give me the results i want. At the end of the day it came down to professionalism. Heres my experience with Armani.
About 3 months ago, after doing some research i decided that i would pursue a procedure with Armani as i loved the results he was providing. FUE is the only option i will consider and i couldnt find any other doctors providing the kind of hairlines on a regular basis that Armani does. Thus i called the clinic and was passed on over to an Armani sales rep. For the sake of this forum i will refer to the rep as Charles. Charles asked me to submit some photos which he would send over to Dr. Armani for a full breakdown on graft recommendation and placement. The next day i received an email from Charles telling me that Dr Armani. has recommended 2500 grafts at a cost of 17,000$. I was blown away. First off, if i were to receive 2500 grafts i wouldnt have a forehead any longer. Second, that price was way out of my financial universe. I wrote charles back explaining that this didnt sit well with me, and asked him if possible to go back to Dr. Armani and have him reevaluate. I tried to clarify exactly what i wanted. The next day Charles wrote back to me explaining Dr. Armani would do my temporal work with 1500 grafts at a cost of 14,000. That comes out to about 9.30$ a graft. This was still way more than i wanted to spend so i went back to the drawing board rather disappointed. With school, etc, i figured i would put my ht plans on hold for bit as it wasnt by any means a priority, just something i wanted. Around a month after my conversation with Charles, he wrote me a random email out of the blue explaining that Dr. Sara Armani had availability and if i was interested he could book me for no less than a 2000 graft procedure in november or december at a cost of 10,500$. That comes to about 5.25 a graft, a very good price for FUE. i told charles that i was interested and that i would get my finances in order and get back to him. A few days later i secured a private loan and tried to contact Charles to book my procedure. He told me he would need a few days to get the process going and get final approval. A few days later i never heard from him so i called back only to be told he was out of town on vacation. I figured no problem, im sure he will call when he gets back. However he never did. I called daily and only got his voicemail, he also did not respond to my emails. At this point i called the beverly hills clinic to see if someone there could give me some insight as i wasnt getting any from Toronto and my frustration was growing. In the Beverly Hills office i spoke with Caleb. I have to say, if it wasnt for Caleb i would have lost my mind. He was very patient with me, told me he wold figure it out, and keep tabs with me. He was a man of his word. A few days later he reached Charles. He told me to try calling Charles again, at which point he finally took my call. He apologized and explained he took an extended vacation. I told him i was ready to book, he said once again no problem i will put in the request and get back to you in day or so. A week later i still had not heard back once again. I called Caleb in LA who was so apologetic, he couldnt understand what the hell was going on either. We finally got a hold of Charles who at this point told me that there was an issue with approval, but it wasnt cost related, just date related. He said nothing to worry about and that he would take care of it. The next day he sent me an email saying that the request wasnt being approved because the pricing structure was rejected. I was extremely upset. I had gone and taken out a loan which i have to pay interest on, based on the figure that was given to me from the clinic. It was a price that relied upon as a good faith estimate. Now i had a procedure that i could not afford, and a loan with interest that needed to be paid. I called Caleb again who at this point couldnt believe what was going on. He empathized, but being in a different clinic there was only so much he could do. However he talked to his supervisors and explained my situation, and he got me approved for the same procedure, but in LA with Armanis new doctor, Dr. Tashini. I was happy to have the option, but truth is that i did not want to have my procedure done by a doctor that i knew nothing about. He explained that Dr. Armani would be there alongside watching, but i told him that if Dr. Armani wasnt performing the procedure himself that i didnt think i could commit. That same day i finally got a call from Charles in the Toronto office. I think at this point he knew he made a mistake and was doing everything in his power to not get in trouble. Anyways he said great news, i got approval for your procedure and that it would be in LA with Dr. Tashini. Ironic. I explained that i only wanted Dr Armani or his sister and he said okay they will honor the procedure with Dr. Sara in Toronto. Finally!!! Once again he said give me a day and ill get back to you to confirm. Sure enough, he never did. I called in a week later only to be informed that Charles was no longer with the company as he had decided to go back to school. This to me was incomprehensible. It was beyond words. The whole thing made no sense. I was getting completely jerked around. They transferred me to another rep who looked at my file an said that the surgery was never approved. In fact it was denied three separate times because of price. He explained that Charles had no power to offer me that price, but the fact is that he did and i relied on it. He apologized and said there was nothing more he could do. At this point i called Caleb once again, who couldnt believe what i was telling him. I guess he had heard enough at this point because he went directly to Dr. Armani, something that he was not supposed to do, and he pled my case. That very day i got approval from Dr. Armani himself. He explained that it is a very busy practice and sometimes things happen that he cannot keep tabs of. He said fact is that he was never aware of the situation and he was very sorry. I believe him…i think Charles got in over his head somehow and kept digging himself into a deeper and deeper hole. I am very thankful to Caleb, the guy is really the best, and i recommend that if you choose Armani, call the LA office and ask for Caleb. I trust him completely, and in an often shady industry he is truly genuine. It is my belief that he is one of the best assets the Armani clinic has, and any clinic would be very lucky to have him. If all representatives had his character it would be a much better industry.

At that point, after well over a month of frustration you would think that i would just go with Armani after being offered resolution, and for a while i figured i would. However when all of this was going on, i submitted an online consultation form to BHR. They really won me over. The one experience with the Armani clinic to the other with BHR was night and day. I have no doubt that my case was very rare and i have no doubt that the Armani clinic does indeed take very good care of their patients and provide great results, but my experience was a not a good one. However, Philip and Dr. Bisanga over at BHR have treated me like gold. When they say they are going to do something, they do it, and they do it exactly when they say they will. Everything is based on my own convenience. They are much more willing to work with what i want and they speak directly to me as opposed to countless representatives. As for their results i think they speak for themselves, and their pricing is amongst the most competitive. That is why i have decided to fly half way around the world to do this as opposed to what might be more convenient on this side of the world. They quoted me at a max of 1500 grafts and if less are needed then that is what i will get, with the price adjusted accordingly.

Colorado, to answer your question, here is how the price breakdowns came back to me from the three clinics i actually heard back from.

Dr Umar quoted me 7 to 9 dollars per graft. I was confused by this because on all the websites it says he charges only 5 dollrs per graft. He explained that the pricing structure has changed and that he would do mine for 7 a graft. He also said that if i allowed him to use my image online he would lower it to 6 dollars per graft, but i would still have to pay 7 and then get the one dollar refund once i submitted my results a year later.

The Armani clinic varies. If you are okay with going to LA and doing the surgery with Dr. Tashini i think you can get in there now at 5 to 6 per graft, but i dont think that price will last. I have no doubt that Dr. Tashini is a very good doctor, i hear he is one of the nicest, i just didnt know enough about him to personally be able to go through with it. For Dr Armani or his sister i think you are looking at a minimum of 7 dollars per graft assuming you need at least 2500, and then around 9 per graft for anything less. I dont believe they will go below 2000 unless you have already done a procedure with them but i do not know this for sure. I know this is a bit steeper in terms of price but i still do believe that they offer top notch results. If others have recently been quoted differently, please chime in.

BHR charges in Euros. They quoted me 4 Euros per graft which is their standard rate for anything above 1000 grafts. Once they gave me the quote, they assured me its set and they will not change it at any time. I have as much time to think about it as i would like. Right now 4 Euros works out to be about 5.20$ a graft. For the quality of fue work that they do i think it is the best deal in the business. In my opinion, they are top 3 in the world, i wouldnt choose them if i felt otherwise. I am optimistic that my results will attest to this. Keep in mind however that your travel expenses may be higher. I have however found a flight for only 700 from the here in the US. If you check a couple months in advance the prices are very reasonable. The clinic has also informed me that for a one day procedure, the trip really only needs to be 2 nights, which means you wont be spending more than a couple hundred bucks on hotel. My travel will be longer, but my expense for travel will actually work out to be about the same.

I am not planning on having my procedure done until march, but i will most certainly keep everyone posted. In the meantime, BHR checks in on me frequently whether through email, phone, or even skype. I am very happy i have made this choice, although it took me a long time to come to my conclusion. I have no doubt that i will be just as happy with the results. Sorry for the ridiculously long post, and i will be happy to respond to any further inquiries about my experiences. Thanks a lot.

Raines

Raines.


#9

raines, what i have seen and read you have made a v. good choice, keep us updated please, will be good to see.


#10

Thanks for sharing your experience raines. I too have been searching for atleast the past 3-4 yrs for my future hair transplant. You can’t believe the amount of research I have done and the patients I’ve met. But quite frankly, even after narrowing it down to 3 top surgeons in this world, BHR was not anywhere near them. My family member just received his transplant coming to toronto from new york city. His personal experience with the staff and the surgery was nothing short of awsome. I’ve chosen Armani for my FUE transplant as he is the only one in the world specializing in it. I personally do not believe price should be the factor when wanting the best, natural, dense looking hair transplant. Really sorry for your experience with whoever it was but don’t discredit the surgeon, his price, or results from a bad experience with a rep.

By the way, I’m looking forward to having my fue transplant in march as well. maybe we can share experiences and results then.

Wish you all the best bud!

» » It seems that you have made your decision and did some homework as well.
» I
» » just wanted to add my two cents. I was in a similar situation last
» year
» » and went with Armani and it was a great decision for me. Everything
» that I
» » have encountered with Armani and his staff has been excellent. I am
» » approaching my three month mark and my expectations with them is beyond
» » what I expected. But the one important thing here is that you didnt
» jump
» » right into some local HT doctor office and commit to them for a cheap
» » price. It seems you did your research and became very educated on the
» » procedure. I wish you the best of luck and hope everything works out.
»
»
» Thank you Leong,
» yes i have recently made up my mind. I have no doubt that this is a
» win win situation for me, s i am sure that either clinic could give me the
» results i want. At the end of the day it came down to professionalism.
» Heres my experience with Armani.
» About 3 months ago, after doing some research i decided that i would
» pursue a procedure with Armani as i loved the results he was providing.
» FUE is the only option i will consider and i couldnt find any other doctors
» providing the kind of hairlines on a regular basis that Armani does. Thus
» i called the clinic and was passed on over to an Armani sales rep. For the
» sake of this forum i will refer to the rep as Charles. Charles asked me to
» submit some photos which he would send over to Dr. Armani for a full
» breakdown on graft recommendation and placement. The next day i received
» an email from Charles telling me that Dr Armani. has recommended 2500
» grafts at a cost of 17,000$. I was blown away. First off, if i were to
» receive 2500 grafts i wouldnt have a forehead any longer. Second, that
» price was way out of my financial universe. I wrote charles back
» explaining that this didnt sit well with me, and asked him if possible to
» go back to Dr. Armani and have him reevaluate. I tried to clarify exactly
» what i wanted. The next day Charles wrote back to me explaining Dr. Armani
» would do my temporal work with 1500 grafts at a cost of 14,000. That comes
» out to about 9.30$ a graft. This was still way more than i wanted to spend
» so i went back to the drawing board rather disappointed. With school, etc,
» i figured i would put my ht plans on hold for bit as it wasnt by any means
» a priority, just something i wanted. Around a month after my conversation
» with Charles, he wrote me a random email out of the blue explaining that
» Dr. Sara Armani had availability and if i was interested he could book me
» for no less than a 2000 graft procedure in november or december at a cost
» of 10,500$. That comes to about 5.25 a graft, a very good price for FUE.
» i told charles that i was interested and that i would get my finances in
» order and get back to him. A few days later i secured a private loan and
» tried to contact Charles to book my procedure. He told me he would need a
» few days to get the process going and get final approval. A few days later
» i never heard from him so i called back only to be told he was out of town
» on vacation. I figured no problem, im sure he will call when he gets back.
» However he never did. I called daily and only got his voicemail, he also
» did not respond to my emails. At this point i called the beverly hills
» clinic to see if someone there could give me some insight as i wasnt
» getting any from Toronto and my frustration was growing. In the Beverly
» Hills office i spoke with Caleb. I have to say, if it wasnt for Caleb i
» would have lost my mind. He was very patient with me, told me he wold
» figure it out, and keep tabs with me. He was a man of his word. A few
» days later he reached Charles. He told me to try calling Charles again, at
» which point he finally took my call. He apologized and explained he took
» an extended vacation. I told him i was ready to book, he said once again
» no problem i will put in the request and get back to you in day or so. A
» week later i still had not heard back once again. I called Caleb in LA who
» was so apologetic, he couldnt understand what the hell was going on either.
» We finally got a hold of Charles who at this point told me that there was
» an issue with approval, but it wasnt cost related, just date related. He
» said nothing to worry about and that he would take care of it. The next
» day he sent me an email saying that the request wasnt being approved
» because the pricing structure was rejected. I was extremely upset. I had
» gone and taken out a loan which i have to pay interest on, based on the
» figure that was given to me from the clinic. It was a price that relied
» upon as a good faith estimate. Now i had a procedure that i could not
» afford, and a loan with interest that needed to be paid. I called Caleb
» again who at this point couldnt believe what was going on. He empathized,
» but being in a different clinic there was only so much he could do.
» However he talked to his supervisors and explained my situation, and he got
» me approved for the same procedure, but in LA with Armanis new doctor, Dr.
» Tashini. I was happy to have the option, but truth is that i did not want
» to have my procedure done by a doctor that i knew nothing about. He
» explained that Dr. Armani would be there alongside watching, but i told him
» that if Dr. Armani wasnt performing the procedure himself that i didnt
» think i could commit. That same day i finally got a call from Charles in
» the Toronto office. I think at this point he knew he made a mistake and
» was doing everything in his power to not get in trouble. Anyways he said
» great news, i got approval for your procedure and that it would be in LA
» with Dr. Tashini. Ironic. I explained that i only wanted Dr Armani or his
» sister and he said okay they will honor the procedure with Dr. Sara in
» Toronto. Finally!!! Once again he said give me a day and ill get back to
» you to confirm. Sure enough, he never did. I called in a week later only
» to be informed that Charles was no longer with the company as he had
» decided to go back to school. This to me was incomprehensible. It was
» beyond words. The whole thing made no sense. I was getting completely
» jerked around. They transferred me to another rep who looked at my file an
» said that the surgery was never approved. In fact it was denied three
» separate times because of price. He explained that Charles had no power to
» offer me that price, but the fact is that he did and i relied on it. He
» apologized and said there was nothing more he could do. At this point i
» called Caleb once again, who couldnt believe what i was telling him. I
» guess he had heard enough at this point because he went directly to Dr.
» Armani, something that he was not supposed to do, and he pled my case.
» That very day i got approval from Dr. Armani himself. He explained that it
» is a very busy practice and sometimes things happen that he cannot keep
» tabs of. He said fact is that he was never aware of the situation and he
» was very sorry. I believe him…i think Charles got in over his head
» somehow and kept digging himself into a deeper and deeper hole. I am very
» thankful to Caleb, the guy is really the best, and i recommend that if you
» choose Armani, call the LA office and ask for Caleb. I trust him
» completely, and in an often shady industry he is truly genuine. It is my
» belief that he is one of the best assets the Armani clinic has, and any
» clinic would be very lucky to have him. If all representatives had his
» character it would be a much better industry.
»
» At that point, after well over a month of frustration you would think that
» i would just go with Armani after being offered resolution, and for a while
» i figured i would. However when all of this was going on, i submitted an
» online consultation form to BHR. They really won me over. The one
» experience with the Armani clinic to the other with BHR was night and day.
» I have no doubt that my case was very rare and i have no doubt that the
» Armani clinic does indeed take very good care of their patients and provide
» great results, but my experience was a not a good one. However, Philip and
» Dr. Bisanga over at BHR have treated me like gold. When they say they are
» going to do something, they do it, and they do it exactly when they say
» they will. Everything is based on my own convenience. They are much more
» willing to work with what i want and they speak directly to me as opposed
» to countless representatives. As for their results i think they speak for
» themselves, and their pricing is amongst the most competitive. That is why
» i have decided to fly half way around the world to do this as opposed to
» what might be more convenient on this side of the world. They quoted me at
» a max of 1500 grafts and if less are needed then that is what i will get,
» with the price adjusted accordingly.
»
» Colorado, to answer your question, here is how the price breakdowns came
» back to me from the three clinics i actually heard back from.
»
» Dr Umar quoted me 7 to 9 dollars per graft. I was confused by this
» because on all the websites it says he charges only 5 dollrs per graft. He
» explained that the pricing structure has changed and that he would do mine
» for 7 a graft. He also said that if i allowed him to use my image online
» he would lower it to 6 dollars per graft, but i would still have to pay 7
» and then get the one dollar refund once i submitted my results a year
» later.
»
» The Armani clinic varies. If you are okay with going to LA and doing the
» surgery with Dr. Tashini i think you can get in there now at 5 to 6 per
» graft, but i dont think that price will last. I have no doubt that Dr.
» Tashini is a very good doctor, i hear he is one of the nicest, i just didnt
» know enough about him to personally be able to go through with it. For Dr
» Armani or his sister i think you are looking at a minimum of 7 dollars per
» graft assuming you need at least 2500, and then around 9 per graft for
» anything less. I dont believe they will go below 2000 unless you have
» already done a procedure with them but i do not know this for sure. I know
» this is a bit steeper in terms of price but i still do believe that they
» offer top notch results. If others have recently been quoted differently,
» please chime in.
»
» BHR charges in Euros. They quoted me 4 Euros per graft which is their
» standard rate for anything above 1000 grafts. Once they gave me the quote,
» they assured me its set and they will not change it at any time. I have as
» much time to think about it as i would like. Right now 4 Euros works out
» to be about 5.20$ a graft. For the quality of fue work that they do i
» think it is the best deal in the business. In my opinion, they are top 3
» in the world, i wouldnt choose them if i felt otherwise. I am optimistic
» that my results will attest to this. Keep in mind however that your travel
» expenses may be higher. I have however found a flight for only 700 from
» the here in the US. If you check a couple months in advance the prices are
» very reasonable. The clinic has also informed me that for a one day
» procedure, the trip really only needs to be 2 nights, which means you wont
» be spending more than a couple hundred bucks on hotel. My travel will be
» longer, but my expense for travel will actually work out to be about the
» same.
»
» I am not planning on having my procedure done until march, but i will most
» certainly keep everyone posted. In the meantime, BHR checks in on me
» frequently whether through email, phone, or even skype. I am very happy i
» have made this choice, although it took me a long time to come to my
» conclusion. I have no doubt that i will be just as happy with the results.
» Sorry for the ridiculously long post, and i will be happy to respond to
» any further inquiries about my experiences. Thanks a lot.
»
» Raines
»
» Raines.


#11

Raines3031,

" Dr Umar quoted me 7 to 9 dollars per graft "

This must be a typo. It is $6-7These are reasonable fees for regular FUE and BHT.

goodluck in your hair surgery.

S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body

For a free online consultation: http://www.dermhairclinic.com/dhc_consultation.aspx


#12

» » » i am a 27 year old male who has finally decided to go through with an
» ht.
» »
» » » Strictly FUE only because i like to wear my hair very short at times
» and
» » i
» » » dont need much work. My recession isnt that bad but it has bothered
» me
» » » long enough to do something about it (over 8 years). I have narrowed
» » it
» » » down to armani and bisanga. If i go with armani there is the
» » possibility
» » » that the surgery would be performed by either armani himself or his
» » sister.
» » » However my customer service experience with the armani clinic has
» not
» » been
» » » great, something i do not wish to get into at this time, (i must not
» » that
» » » they have made a concerted effort at remedying the situation and i
» » greatly
» » » appreciate it.) Whereas BHR on the other hand has been more than
» » gracious,
» » » answering all of my questions and concerns promptly and in depth. I
» » » realize both clinics are amongst the best, but ignoring cost and
» » location
» » » and basing my decision strictly upon the best result i am not sure
» what
» » to
» » » do. Armani has recommended 2000 grafts wheres as BHR believes that
» is
» » far
» » » more than i need. I do not believe the armani clinic will do less
» than
» » » 2000 at this point, but i am not certain. I am really looking to
» » » strengthen the temple area, my hairline is well and in tact, just
» need
» » some
» » » work in the corners, i would estimate aprox 12 to 15 sq cm of work
» max.
» » I
» » » realize this may seem like pure vanity, but it bothers me so why not?
»
» » Both
» » » clinics have assured me that they can achieve my desired result. I
» » realize
» » » everyone will have different opinions but i would like to hear them
» » » regardless. If i was basing it strictly on professionalism and
» kindness
» » i
» » » would be on the next plane to Brussels, not to say that Armani isnt
» » » professional, because i believe that he is, but BHR has really been
» » » incredible, available, and patient. However, i obviously want the
» bet
» » » possible result and will make my decision based primarily on my
» » instincsts
» » » in regard to that, while also considering any future implications.
» i
» » » appreciate all advise and recommendations. Thanks
» » »
» » » Raines
» »
» » I have never seen Armani patients with fewer than 2000 grafts, the
» typical
» » number appears to be 3000 grafts and more, sometimes I think they are
» too
» » aggressive lowering the hairlines for the younger guys, you should also
» try
» » Cole, he does a lot of small procedures with just enough grafts to make
» a
» » nice difference.
»
» Thank you both for the replies. I dont live in Europe, im in the US, but
» this is something i certainly do not mind traveling for. Im not sure that
» Dr. Cole is an option simply because i think he is a bit to conservative
» for what i want to achieve. But again i cant be certain. I am certain
» that i rpob will not get better value for my dollar than with Bisanga.
» However, with travel expenses im sure that will all even out. I have
» submitted online consultation forms to numerous doctors, probably a
» majority of which post on this site or have some for of representative
» posting. The only three that ever returned my submission were the armani
» clinic, Dr. Umar, and Dr. Bisanga. It jsut so happens that these three
» were atop my list. Umar seemed like a good option but he increased his
» prices recently from 5 to 7 per graft. That is still relatively on the
» lower end of quality fue but he was vague in answering some of my
» questions. With Armani, i cant get any answers, but i do love what i see
» in terms of their results. I know many are critical of his work, but i
» personally think the guy knows what hes doing when it come to creating
» hairlines and i think his sister is very gifted as well, however i
» definitely dont need 2000 graft, and thy will not allow me to do less. My
» opinion is that while i never want to remove more than necessary, its not
» as though i will be throwing them away, hopefully the additionals would be
» placed into areaswhere i will need them down the road. I also think Dr
» Bisanga is a very talented surgeon as well, and like i said before, no on
» even came close to being half as gracious as BHR. Philip is incredible in
» terms of correspondence. if i write he literally gets back to me usually
» within an hour answering every question to the smallest of details…the
» guy is an encyclopedia. I even got a phone call from Dr. Bisanga. I was
» blown away, all this time researching and trying to contact clinics and
» never once did i ever actually speak to a doctor on the phone…i was
» starting to think half of these guys werent even real people. at the end
» of the day it is the quality of the work that matters most, but patient
» care and service both before during and after the procedure should not be
» overlooked. Most doctors are so busy that there is a dearth of quality
» care in the field. Regardless of where i inevitably get my procedure done
» i have to say that BHR has earned my sincerest respect. As a medical
» student i can tell you that i have learned a lot about patient care and
» bedside manner, and as a patient i have had experience with numerous
» doctors throughout the course of my life. One day if and when i have my
» own general medical clinic, i hope to be able to treat patients with the
» same level of care, respect, and integrity that i have received from BHR.
»
»
» Let me further state as a disclaimer that my opinion is strictly my own,
» completely unsolicited. I am a prospective patient just like the rest of
» you and have no ties nor affiliation with anyone. while i still do not
» know what my resolution is, i will make my final decision on who i believe
» to be the best doctor. But patient care is a field of interest that i am
» passionate about and one that should never be overlooked and that will
» certainly factor largely into my final decision.

Conservative is good, if you want that less-is-more look with good yield, Cole is the man.


#13

» Raines3031,
»
» " Dr Umar quoted me 7 to 9 dollars per graft "
»
» This must be a typo. It is $6-7These are reasonable fees for
» regular FUE and BHT.
»
» goodluck in your hair surgery.
»
»
»
» S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
» DermHair Clinic
» Redondo Beach, California
» +1-310-318-1500
» 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
» info@dermhairclinic.com
» WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
» Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
» Using Head and Body
»
» For a free online consultation:
» http://www.dermhairclinic.com/dhc_consultation.aspx

My apologies Dr Umar. i went back and reviewed the email i received from you and it did indeed say 7$ per graft which i made mention to above. My initial error came because you quoted me 7$ per graft for 1500 grafts at a price of 9100$ Somehow i misconstrued this in memory to be 7-9. Again i am sorry for any misconception I may have caused.