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Anyone care to address the Pilox rumors...?


#1

I was perusing another forum and
a number of posters are questioning the legitimacy of Pilox.

Notwithstanding the myriad of other reasons to question its legitimacy,
the questions leading to the rumors revolve around the originator’s
affiliation with a purported Russian snake oil pusher and a product that is
alleged to work in the same or similar manner as Pilox (although someone
pointed out that they have different patents).

I didn’t have time to sort through all of the posts to
figure out how the rumors were started or if they were legit,
but was wondering if someone who knew could shed some light that would put
this thing to rest.

On another note, this post wouldn’t work when I tried: “Pilox sca*m rumors”.
What gives??


#2

before a hoard of monkeys come charging through this thread, can we just wait
until Dr. Yoram releases what he intends to release before passing judgement.

I’m skeptical but lets give the man a chance.


#3

Freddie:

I definitely side with your campaign to rid the forum of “monkeys”, but
let’s make sure this noble effort doesn’t give con artists an opportunity to
perpetuate their deceit and avoid being vetted and exposed, simply
because we have to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting a researcher’s feelings.
A con artist couldn’t ask for a better environment than one that avoids
exposing the truth.

From what I’ve gathered, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pilox turned out
to be an elaborately planned sca*m. No peer reviewed articles, governmental
approval, unheard of until very recently, etc., and now, all of a sudden, after all
hope in pretty much all legitimate contenders is lost, Pilox could be
released within 8 months and produces outstanding results!!??

Not buying it.

In it’s heyday, this forum thrived because all cutting edge treatments were
examined, and savvy posters vetted out the con artists. Sadly, it’s gotten
vicious and out of hand lately (like a political campaign). But, sometimes,
the only news is bad news, and it’s better to deal with it than simply
believing what we want to hear.

I think Dr. Ustuner’s theory falls into this category. Until
someone figures out how to alter the environment (ie., the scalp) such that it
can sustain vibrant, hair producing follicles, every cell-based treatment in the
pipeline will fail.

Sorry for being a Debbie-downer, but after 20 years of following blogs & forums,
and holding off on any serious treatments (nothing other than topicals, which
did nothing), I’ve come to the depressing conclusion that trying to grow hair
on an MPB scalp is like trying to grow grass on the beach.


#4

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by ESP2[/postedby]
Freddie:

I definitely side with your campaign to rid the forum of “monkeys”, but
let’s make sure this noble effort doesn’t give con artists an opportunity to
perpetuate their deceit and avoid being vetted and exposed, simply
because we have to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting a researcher’s feelings.
A con artist couldn’t ask for a better environment than one that avoids
exposing the truth.

From what I’ve gathered, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pilox turned out
to be an elaborately planned sca*m. No peer reviewed articles, governmental
approval, unheard of until very recently, etc., and now, all of a sudden, after all
hope in pretty much all legitimate contenders is lost, Pilox could be
released within 8 months and produces outstanding results!!??

Not buying it.

In it’s heyday, this forum thrived because all cutting edge treatments were
examined, and savvy posters vetted out the con artists. Sadly, it’s gotten
vicious and out of hand lately (like a political campaign). But, sometimes,
the only news is bad news, and it’s better to deal with it than simply
believing what we want to hear.

I think Dr. Ustuner’s theory falls into this category. Until
someone figures out how to alter the environment (ie., the scalp) such that it
can sustain vibrant, hair producing follicles, every cell-based treatment in the
pipeline will fail.

Sorry for being a Debbie-downer, but after 20 years of following blogs & forums,
and holding off on any serious treatments (nothing other than topicals, which
did nothing), I’ve come to the depressing conclusion that trying to grow hair
on an MPB scalp is like trying to grow grass on the beach.[/quote]

+1

I think it is very important to raise tough questions, those who dare to ask should not be labeled as attacking anyone. Tough questions and cross examination are what make this forum valuable. I agree there should be more moderation but please do not forbid people from asking questions that may come across as offensive. Last thing we need is a forum that is totally sterilized where posters are only there to stroke the egos of the doctors while they make tons of money without proving a thing. This forum thrives on being “tough” on the doctors or researchers otherwise it has no value.


#5

Posters don’t have to be nasty. The anti-Nigam crowd has very little evidence against Nigam since after the original photo-shop pics appeared at the site. He said that those pics were done by associates without his approval and he said he would put a stop to it. It hasn’t happened since. And yet some guys keep attacking him about bogus stuff. Critical investigation is not what’s taking place in some cases. Rather what is taking place in some cases is totally unjust character assassination. It needs to stop.


#6

There’s no reason why posters can’t ask questions of a researcher without including personal attacks. This is the internet so people are not face to face but if posters were talking face to face a lot of these personal attacks would not be taking place. Just talk to the researchers as if they are there in the room with you. If you do that then your questions won’t include personal attacks. I’m not trying to get posters to stop asking questions and to stop doing critical analysis. I’m just trying to get the personal attacks against researchers to stop. You have no idea how sickening it feels to me to open some post to Dr. Nigam and read racist or personal insults in the post. I want people to ask direct hard questions of researchers and doctors but jettison the personal/racist attacks please. Some of these attacks are embarrassingly vulgar.
I don’t feel bad for researchers who are asked direct blunt questions as long as there aren’t personal attacks.

If you were to ask any researcher, “How can we establish that the photos are not enhanced?” I would not mind. Let the researcher demonstrate that his photos are not enhanced. That’s fine. But don’t say, “How can we establish that the photos aren’t enhanced since they look sca.mmy.” Leave out the words “they look sca.mmy” because those words amount to an accusation and you wouldn’t have evidence that they’re a sca.m yet.