Aka1, if you reach someone involved with Pilogics dermarolling system

[jarjarbinx]

I wonder if we could work together for people at this site (in America too) to get involved with trying the product???

If you get in touch with the folks in Israel then that of course would have been the next thing on the minds of some of the posters here.

I think we should carry on a discussion like that without repeating it at any other site because it’s highly unlikely the company or the researchers would do it at all, but if it became talked about all of the hair websites then of course the researchers would say no. In other words, the only chance at all that they might do it is if the posters here could keep quiet about it. I figure that there’s between a zero and 1% chance that you could talk the researchers or the company into doing it, but if the posters here blab about it then that chance goes down to ZERO.

[aka1]

If and when I reach the developers, I will ask them if they are willing to accept patients from other countries to their trials, and will keep you guys posted

[jarjarbinx]

Does the supposed ease with which the other 2 posters got in touch with the developers compared to the difficulty you’re having reaching the same developers seem odd to you?

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by aka1[/postedby]
If and when I reach the developers, I will ask them if they are willing to accept patients from other countries to their trials, and will keep you guys posted[/quote]

[jarjarbinx]

If this turns out to be legit then perhaps the developers could sell us the device and other necessities at cost and we could post our progress on the site here and give progress photos to the developers for them to add to their photos.

It might not be a sanctioned America study because the FDA might not allow that without some kind of formal process and clinical involvement from medical staff here in America. It would just be a case of Americans trying it (at cost) and reporting the results at this website and to the developers via photographs and personal perceptions.

But I really am starting to think that this thing might not be legit because of the difficulty you’re having reaching them and because one of the scientist’s own company said they have no idea what you’re referring to.

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by aka1[/postedby]
If and when I reach the developers, I will ask them if they are willing to accept patients from other countries to their trials, and will keep you guys posted[/quote]

[brunobald]

I spoke to Yoram about overseas trails and the short answer is no.

They only have limited machines which need maintaince and software updates so It would not be practical to use people from overseas.

[aka1]

bruno, how did you reach yoram???
can u contact me through pm or somn.
I live in Israel, can i be a candidate for the treatment?

[walrus]

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by brunobald[/postedby]
I spoke to Yoram about overseas trails and the short answer is no.

They only have limited machines which need maintaince and software updates so It would not be practical to use people from overseas.[/quote]

Software updates? Interesting, though these could also quite easily be done remotely.

[needhairasap]

These guys don’t want to bend over backwards for a bunch of random people.

If they’re going to allow overseas candidates, we better make it BEYOND worth it to them…

offering to buy them at cost is just not going to cut it… I think we’re out of luck guys.

[jarjarbinx]

I would like to talk with Yoram too brunobald. Could you please email me at russell-claudia2011@hotmail.com so that we could discuss getting me into communication with Yoram?

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by brunobald[/postedby]
I spoke to Yoram about overseas trails and the short answer is no.

They only have limited machines which need maintaince and software updates so It would not be practical to use people from overseas.[/quote]

[jarjarbinx]

needhairasap, check out these 2 posts here at Hairsite:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-124775-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-124809-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

These are links to a contraption of some sort by the company Pilogics L.P… It looks like they let a patent expire this past September. Of course the expired patent could be for a precursor to the present contraption which has perhaps been updated so the patent for the earlier model would no longer be relevant. But it’s also possible that they let their patent expire on the device which they’re using now, which would not be a good sign.

And WTF do they mean by “software updates?” We’re talking about a dermaroller here?

[jarjarbinx]

Does it sound very logical not to show Americans if it works? Do they want to sell the treatment in America? America is a big market. They could make lots of money here if they successfully tested it here. Products can be mailed overnight delivery back and forth (for maintenance and software updates) between Israel and America. It happens all the time. Or perhaps they could get involved with us here at Hairsite now and we could work out an agreement wherein we would handle the software updates and maintenance for them here in America as part of some kind of a business relationship agreement. If they want to sell in America they will need associates here in America and if the treatment works we here at Hairsite could be American associates for this treatment.

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by brunobald[/postedby]
I spoke to Yoram about overseas trails and the short answer is no.

They only have limited machines which need maintaince and software updates so It would not be practical to use people from overseas.[/quote]

[licht]

That patent isn’t a Pilogics patent. It just references the Pilogics patent.

The Pilogics patent hasn’t expired.

They want to test people where they are nearby and accessible. That sounds very reasonable to me.

[jarjarbinx]

Thanks for clearing that up about the patent.

And the thing is that if the developers are savvy business-people then they will want to get into the American market. There’s potentially a lot of money to be made in America. It would be best for them to have some kind of set-up here in America where Americans could send their devices for updates and repairs, plus to have a staff here in America that American consumers could talk to right here in America.

I think it seems logical that they should be setting up now to try to make inroads into the American market and a good way to do that would be to involve Americans, like those of us here at Hairsite, as associates and we could organize an offshoot of their Israeli efforts over here in America. We could start out by being the American testers while at the same time organizing and setting up shop here in America to handle the treatment-related issues in America.

We know a lot about hair loss and the hair loss market and we have some business and medical people here at this site.

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by licht[/postedby]
That patent isn’t a Pilogics patent. It just references the Pilogics patent.

The Pilogics patent hasn’t expired.

They want to test people where they are nearby and accessible. That sounds very reasonable to me.[/quote]

[roger_that]

Two things:

1. I thought my post made it clear that that expired Dutch patent (or application) wasn’t a Pilogics patent, they were just citing the Pilogics patent.

2. Has it occurred to you that if the Pilogics device isn’t FDA approved (like, for instance, the FDA had to approve the laser comb), then it would be illegal for Pilogics to sell it to people in the US? And if it wasn’t approved for trials in the US, then it would be illegal for Pilogics to ship it over here for human testing purposes. You’d probably have to go to Israel to buy it. If you successfully got one through customs and brought it into the US, you could of course use it in the privacy of your own house.

Not trying to burst anyone’s bubbles but that seems to be the case.

[jarjarbinx]

And that’s all the more reason why the developers should work with people like us to help them get infrastructure inroads into the American market. They need to get set-up over here and get things started over here.