When I read the first article about Dr. Hitzig using Acell I was kind of dissapointed because the before and after pics of the patient that was in the article looked dissapointing. The before pic showed the patient’s donor area with the hair lifted so you could see the scar and there was an obvious scar. The after pic showed the same patient’s scar area but the hair was not lifted so the hair covered the scar area. The silhouette of the scar was visible under the hair that covered the scar area so it appeared that there was some regrowth in the scar area but the regrowth was thin/wispy or else there wouldn’t have been a silhouette of the scar under the hair.
Well, since then I have seen other before and after pics of Dr. Hitzig’s patients and some of those pictures are impressive. But there are still problems and I do not think that Dr. Hitzig, or any other practioner, has taken Acell to its’ potential, or totally in the right direction.
I think that these are hair transplant doctors, and they are trying to figure out how to use Acell in conjunction with a hair transplant, and I think that is bad for the patient. When a hair transplant is performed the recipient area of the scalp is disrupted and altered since new hairs are being injected into the recipient area. Injecting these hairs into the recipient area is like slamming tiny knives into your recipient area and it could do tiny bits of damage to the recipient area. Also, these new hairs that are injected into your recipient are pretty much permanently established inside of the donor area. All in all, the recipient area is altered, and there could be some tiny damage to the recipient area as a result of injecting these new hairs into the recipient area. Hair transplantation is a “fixed” state so if you inject new hairs into the recipient area then those new hairs may not have the diameter you want, they may not grow to the lengh that you want, and they may not grow out the way that you want, BUT THEY WILL BE THERE PERMANENTLY unless you get more costly invasive surgery to have them removed. This is important because if a treatment (for example histogen)comes along that might restore your hair exactly as it was before you started losing hair then you will either have to have the prior transplantaion “removed” or else you will end up with a combination of the new treatment (Histogen for example) and the hair transplantation. And keep in mind that the hair transplantation will have altered/disrupted your recipient and as a result from a new treatment might not be as good as it would have been if you had not gotten the transplant.
For these reasons I think that it would be best for doctors working with Acell to try to find ways to use it without hair transplantation, but these doctors are hair transplant doctors so i think they will be mostly looking at ways to use Acell in conjunction with hair transplantation. I think that is bad for we hair loss patients. They should be using Acell, with other treatments, but without hair transplantation because that is the best way to help their patients.
» When I read the first article about Dr. Hitzig using Acell I was kind of
» dissapointed because the before and after pics of the patient that was in
» the article looked dissapointing. The before pic showed the patient’s
» donor area with the hair lifted so you could see the scar and there was an
» obvious scar. The after pic showed the same patient’s scar area but the
» hair was not lifted so the hair covered the scar area. The silhouette of
» the scar was visible under the hair that covered the scar area so it
» appeared that there was some regrowth in the scar area but the regrowth was
» thin/wispy or else there wouldn’t have been a silhouette of the scar under
» the hair.
»
» Well, since then I have seen other before and after pics of Dr. Hitzig’s
» patients and some of those pictures are impressive. But there are still
» problems and I do not think that Dr. Hitzig, or any other practioner, has
» taken Acell to its’ potential, or totally in the right direction.
»
» I think that these are hair transplant doctors, and they are trying to
» figure out how to use Acell in conjunction with a hair transplant, and I
» think that is bad for the patient. When a hair transplant is performed the
» recipient area of the scalp is disrupted and altered since new hairs are
» being injected into the recipient area. Injecting these hairs into the
» recipient area is like slamming tiny knives into your recipient area and it
» could do tiny bits of damage to the recipient area. Also, these new hairs
» that are injected into your recipient are pretty much permanently
» established inside of the donor area. All in all, the recipient area is
» altered, and there could be some tiny damage to the recipient area as a
» result of injecting these new hairs into the recipient area. Hair
» transplantation is a “fixed” state so if you inject new hairs into the
» recipient area then those new hairs may not have the diameter you want,
» they may not grow to the lengh that you want, and they may not grow out the
» way that you want, BUT THEY WILL BE THERE PERMANENTLY unless you get more
» costly invasive surgery to have them removed. This is important because if
» a treatment (for example histogen)comes along that might restore your hair
» exactly as it was before you started losing hair then you will either have
» to have the prior transplantaion “removed” or else you will end up with a
» combination of the new treatment (Histogen for example) and the hair
» transplantation. And keep in mind that the hair transplantation will have
» altered/disrupted your recipient and as a result from a new treatment might
» not be as good as it would have been if you had not gotten the transplant.
»
»
» For these reasons I think that it would be best for doctors working with
» Acell to try to find ways to use it without hair transplantation, but these
» doctors are hair transplant doctors so i think they will be mostly looking
» at ways to use Acell in conjunction with hair transplantation. I think
» that is bad for we hair loss patients. They should be using Acell, with
» other treatments, but without hair transplantation because that is the best
» way to help their patients.
i agree with you, and that why id rather wait until 2013 for Histogens HSC injections.
Things that im still worried about Acell Hair Transplanation
Because hair is still being transplanted their is still a risk of Shock loss.
-Results may be variable due to the surgeons skill
-Very Expensive, I heard $10 per plucked hair
-Baldness is progressive, so you still risk progression of hair loss in non acell areas
-still only a 75% yeild of hairs that are suitable for transplantation
» » When I read the first article about Dr. Hitzig using Acell I was kind of
» » dissapointed because the before and after pics of the patient that was
» in
» » the article looked dissapointing. The before pic showed the patient’s
» » donor area with the hair lifted so you could see the scar and there was
» an
» » obvious scar. The after pic showed the same patient’s scar area but the
» » hair was not lifted so the hair covered the scar area. The silhouette
» of
» » the scar was visible under the hair that covered the scar area so it
» » appeared that there was some regrowth in the scar area but the regrowth
» was
» » thin/wispy or else there wouldn’t have been a silhouette of the scar
» under
» » the hair.
» »
» » Well, since then I have seen other before and after pics of Dr. Hitzig’s
» » patients and some of those pictures are impressive. But there are still
» » problems and I do not think that Dr. Hitzig, or any other practioner,
» has
» » taken Acell to its’ potential, or totally in the right direction.
» »
» » I think that these are hair transplant doctors, and they are trying to
» » figure out how to use Acell in conjunction with a hair transplant, and I
» » think that is bad for the patient. When a hair transplant is performed
» the
» » recipient area of the scalp is disrupted and altered since new hairs are
» » being injected into the recipient area. Injecting these hairs into the
» » recipient area is like slamming tiny knives into your recipient area and
» it
» » could do tiny bits of damage to the recipient area. Also, these new
» hairs
» » that are injected into your recipient are pretty much permanently
» » established inside of the donor area. All in all, the recipient area is
» » altered, and there could be some tiny damage to the recipient area as a
» » result of injecting these new hairs into the recipient area. Hair
» » transplantation is a “fixed” state so if you inject new hairs into the
» » recipient area then those new hairs may not have the diameter you want,
» » they may not grow to the lengh that you want, and they may not grow out
» the
» » way that you want, BUT THEY WILL BE THERE PERMANENTLY unless you get
» more
» » costly invasive surgery to have them removed. This is important because
» if
» » a treatment (for example histogen)comes along that might restore your
» hair
» » exactly as it was before you started losing hair then you will either
» have
» » to have the prior transplantaion “removed” or else you will end up with
» a
» » combination of the new treatment (Histogen for example) and the hair
» » transplantation. And keep in mind that the hair transplantation will
» have
» » altered/disrupted your recipient and as a result from a new treatment
» might
» » not be as good as it would have been if you had not gotten the
» transplant.
» »
» »
» » For these reasons I think that it would be best for doctors working with
» » Acell to try to find ways to use it without hair transplantation, but
» these
» » doctors are hair transplant doctors so i think they will be mostly
» looking
» » at ways to use Acell in conjunction with hair transplantation. I think
» » that is bad for we hair loss patients. They should be using Acell, with
» » other treatments, but without hair transplantation because that is the
» best
» » way to help their patients.
»
» i agree with you, and that why id rather wait until 2013 for Histogens HSC
» injections.
»
» Things that im still worried about Acell Hair Transplanation
»
» - Because hair is still being transplanted their is still a risk of Shock
» loss.
»
» -Results may be variable due to the surgeons skill
»
» -Very Expensive, I heard $10 per plucked hair
»
» -Baldness is progressive, so you still risk progression of hair loss in non
» acell areas
»
» -still only a 75% yeild of hairs that are suitable for transplantation
And most importantly theres a possibility of damage being done to existing dormant hair follicles in the recipient sites due to the transplantation, which means future therapies ie. Histogen injections, Aderans cloning might not be as effective.
Well, respectfully I disagree with you both, I think Autocloning is one of the most exciting advances I have seen here and one of the best shots we have right now of any form of cloning being made to work.
I think the more ‘heavy lifting’ the body does and the less doctors have to manipulate the process to make it work the better. I think doing this means that in the short term there is more chance of a successful and safe procedure for regaining hair.
Of course in the long term what you say may be true - but then in the long term we’re all dead
» Well, respectfully I disagree with you both, I think Autocloning is one of
» the most exciting advances I have seen here and one of the best shots we
» have right now of any form of cloning being made to work.
»
» I think the more ‘heavy lifting’ the body does and the less doctors have to
» manipulate the process to make it work the better. I think doing this means
» that in the short term there is more chance of a successful and safe
» procedure for regaining hair.
»
» Of course in the long term what you say may be true - but then in the long
» term we’re all dead
I don’t think Autocloning will be the revolutionary technique that we have been waiting for. It is very obvious that he is very very excited about Acell but he keeps down playing Autocloning. I think Dr. Hirtzig might have the cure right now. I think the way it will work is the following:
You get a regular transplant from Dr Hirtzig…lets say 2000 Follicle transplant…then he will transplant the hairs dipping the follicles in Acell and then implanting them. He will wound around the transplanted hairs and inject Acell/PRP combo. The yield will be very good from this procedure and there will be cloning involved…meaning you will end up with 3 to 4 times more hairs. So from this first procedure you will end up with 8000 new hairs (2000 transplanted hairs and 6000 cloned hairs). Six months to year later you will go back and have only the wounding and Acell/PRP procedure done again…this will most likely double the hair count to 16000 hairs. A year later if you do the procedure again…you will double the count of hairs again to 32000 new hairs and that should do it.
Maybe what I described above won’t be as efficient and you might have to do the Acell/PRP/Wounding procedure more than a couple of times. I am not as good as bringing up past posts on this forum like others…but if you read carefully to what Dr Hirtzig has mentioned so far regarding Acell…what I described above is going to be very close to what he will be offering very soon.
» Well, respectfully I disagree with you both, I think Autocloning is one of
» the most exciting advances I have seen here and one of the best shots we
» have right now of any form of cloning being made to work.
»
» I think the more ‘heavy lifting’ the body does and the less doctors have to
» manipulate the process to make it work the better. I think doing this means
» that in the short term there is more chance of a successful and safe
» procedure for regaining hair.
»
» Of course in the long term what you say may be true - but then in the long
» term we’re all dead
But we won’t be dead for quite some time. Histogen will be attainable inside of 3 years, maybe 2 years. Why damage our scalps with transplatations that will likely take 1 1/2 to 2 years to be completely grown out anyway, when we can just wait for Histogen and do no damage to our scalps??? Histogen is not a long way from now; Histogen is not “in the long run” it is in the short run.
The point is here that the hair transplantation doctor does us a diservice by trying to figure out a way to combine Acell with transplantation. It serves an for the hair transplantation doctor to combine acell with hair transplantation but it does not serve the patient well. Hair transplant doctors could work on, and perfect, ways to get some regrowth benefit for their patients without a hair transplant, and that is what the hair transplant doctor should be trying to do instead of doing all kinds of internal damage to the inside of patient’s scalp skin by combining hair transplants with acell. They should try to figure out ways to use Acell with PRP and possibly minoxidil/latisse for maximum benefit, but without hair transplants. There isn’t much doubt in my mind that some kind of Acell treatment involving PRP and minoxidil/latisse would provide some benefit for lots of hair loss patients. They do not need to add a hair transplant at this point in time. But by adding a hair transplant into the mix that is more services that the patient can be charged for and it was the hair transplant specializes in so that is what they are going to do, but it is not in the best interests of their patients at this time to do so. It is a service that they should not be doing but they want to bill for it so they will add it into the mix even though they shouldn’t. They can make adequate amounts of money seeing patients and just offering patients Acell with PRP and minoxidil/latisse. There is no reason to do “pile on” with the bill by doing risky hair transplants that rarely give a patient as much recovery as he wants anyway.
I am certainly not a candidate for a full head of hair via hair transplantation. I do not want a hair transplant. I want them to perfect Acell in combo with PRP and minoxidil/latisse. That is what’s in my best interests.
» » Well, respectfully I disagree with you both, I think Autocloning is one
» of
» » the most exciting advances I have seen here and one of the best shots we
» » have right now of any form of cloning being made to work.
» »
» » I think the more ‘heavy lifting’ the body does and the less doctors have
» to
» » manipulate the process to make it work the better. I think doing this
» means
» » that in the short term there is more chance of a successful and safe
» » procedure for regaining hair.
» »
» » Of course in the long term what you say may be true - but then in the
» long
» » term we’re all dead
»
» I don’t think Autocloning will be the revolutionary technique that we have
» been waiting for. It is very obvious that he is very very excited about
» Acell but he keeps down playing Autocloning. I think Dr. Hirtzig might have
» the cure right now. I think the way it will work is the following:
»
» You get a regular transplant from Dr Hirtzig…lets say 2000 Follicle
» transplant…then he will transplant the hairs dipping the follicles in
» Acell and then implanting them. He will wound around the transplanted
» hairs and inject Acell/PRP combo. The yield will be very good from this
» procedure and there will be cloning involved…meaning you will end up
» with 3 to 4 times more hairs. So from this first procedure you will end up
» with 8000 new hairs (2000 transplanted hairs and 6000 cloned hairs). Six
» months to year later you will go back and have only the wounding and
» Acell/PRP procedure done again…this will most likely double the hair
» count to 16000 hairs. A year later if you do the procedure again…you
» will double the count of hairs again to 32000 new hairs and that should do
» it.
»
» Maybe what I described above won’t be as efficient and you might have to do
» the Acell/PRP/Wounding procedure more than a couple of times. I am not as
» good as bringing up past posts on this forum like others…but if you read
» carefully to what Dr Hirtzig has mentioned so far regarding Acell…what I
» described above is going to be very close to what he will be offering very
» soon.
you do not want a hair transplant because it may not be necessary and hair transplants don’t alwayw result in a full head of hair anyway. you may not get the desired thickness you want. Also, these hairs that are being transplanted are still vulnerable to DHT and they can become quite thin in diameter and short. It’s a mistake. I have seen a lot of men who’s donor areas only produce thin short hairs so ultimately that is what the transplanted hairs will like. Plus it will take a year and a half to get the transplant completed anyway. Histogen will likely be available shortly after you get a hair transplanted completely finished and histogen might be a way for you to get a permanent full thickness head of hair. And if you get a hair transplant now you might very well do damage to the inside of your scalp skin and then histogen might not give you as much benefit as it would have if you did not do the transplant.
Dr. Histig and the other practioners looking at Acell should be looking at it in a way that includes injected Acell with PRP and minoxidil/latisse. They should not be trying to combine a hair transplant into the mix just because they are hair transplant specialists. Hair transplants may be what they do but it is not in the best interests of their patients and they could make lots of money doing injected Acell + PRP + minoxidil/latisse. This is what they need to perfect. If they would perfect this then they could get us in and out of their offices quickly and set it up like an assembly line and make lots of money because they would be doing lots of volume/customers. They should not put the hair transplant into the equation because a hair transplant in the mix runs contrary to their customers/patients best interests.
if you get Acell with hair transplant at this point in time then you are going to be very sorry if underneath your skin tiny damage is done that prevents you from getting the best possible results from histogen in just a few short years.
Dr. Hitzig and other practitioners should be thinking about their patients best interests, and that would mean figuring out a way to get the best possible results from Acell, combined with other treatments (PRP, minox/latisse, whatever) but without hair transplantaion.
You are going to be so sorry if you get your scalp skin damaged in timy ways and then you can’t get good result from histogen. These doctors might be able to do a combination of treatmens, without hair transplantation as I have suggested, and get great results that would compete well against histogen if they would focus on using Acell as I am saying, without hair transplantation.
» I have seen a lot of men who’s donor
» areas only produce thin short hairs so ultimately that is what the
» transplanted hairs will like.
This is what keeps me from transplants too as tempting as it is.
Its a quick fix but with potentially bad consequences down the line. I’ve seen horse shoe bald guys who’s horse shoe began to thin out to the point where the horse shoe looked like it needed a transplant! Also I would never be able to get back anywhere near the amount of density I had so its just an optical illusion at best.
If I had a transplat lets say at age 37, that transplant would have to last me at least 20 years. In other words my current hair loss would have to remain unchanged for 20 years - which I doubt it will even with the foot flat on the brakes with propecia/avodart + minoxidil + nizoral 2%.
But, I don’t share your optimism about a cure from Histogen (or whomever) is just 2 or 3 years away. Standard claim for any cure is ‘5 years away’ LOL I’ve been here almost 8 to 10 years and I’ve seen hope & hype go up and down like a wave. Everyone believed Dr. Gho was on the verge of delivering the cure. We waited and waited and waited… but nothing ever came of that guy. Eventually he became yesterday’s news and people just drifted off.
Second, how sure can you be that follicles long since murdered by DHT can be brought back from the grave by Histogen? Maybe there are a few surviving follicles of the great DHT holocaust which are still hanging on and can be revived. But the vast majority are history in my opinion. They are dead and no amount of Wnt or whatever else is going to revive them.
I hope you are right about ‘the few short years’. I’m praying that a cure is right around the corner just like a billion other bald guys for the last 3000 years. But I think we may be the last generation to have to suffer this injustice. The cure is certainly coming within the next 50 years but I’ll be either dead or with one foot in the grave by then.
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