Shouldn’t somebody be trying to use ACELL to regenerate follicles in bald areas, I don’t see the point in jumping straight to using it to create donor hair when there might be a possibility that it could help regenerate the resting follicles. Isn’t there a similarity between ACELL and the the stuff they used in the stanford study which did switch resting follicles back on.
» Shouldn’t somebody be trying to use ACELL to regenerate follicles in bald
» areas, I don’t see the point in jumping straight to using it to create
» donor hair when there might be a possibility that it could help regenerate
» the resting follicles. Isn’t there a similarity between ACELL and the the
» stuff they used in the stanford study which did switch resting follicles
» back on.
I’ve also been saying we’d be crazy not to try Acell on some heavily dermabraded balded skin on the chance that maybe it’ll work that easily.
But this idea also doesn’t seem to inspire much enthusiasm most of the time I bring it up either.
» » Shouldn’t somebody be trying to use ACELL to regenerate follicles in
» bald
» » areas, I don’t see the point in jumping straight to using it to create
» » donor hair when there might be a possibility that it could help
» regenerate
» » the resting follicles. Isn’t there a similarity between ACELL and the
» the
» » stuff they used in the stanford study which did switch resting
» follicles
» » back on.
»
» I’ve also been saying we’d be crazy not to try Acell on some heavily
» dermabraded balded skin on the chance that maybe it’ll work that easily.
»
» But this idea also doesn’t seem to inspire much enthusiasm most of the
» time I bring it up either.
Didn’t the stanford research mention injecting into the scalp, Maybe there is a way of doing that with ACELL, It seems the logical thing to try first.
I’m up for trying anything. Thats why I started the thread on possible ways to test Acell. I would like to establish as many ways as possible and e-mail that same list of doctors that I e-mailed already. Maybe one of our ideas would spark and idea for one of them or maybe they would use one of our ideas.
There is some very interesting information:
******THE INTERESTING INFORMATION
» Thanks for the email. I looked at the photos. the wound healing is very
» impressive.I am not sure that the material promoted hair growth. I think
» that what we are seeing are the effects of wound contraction more than hair
» growth. Also canine fur grows differently than primate hair.
» In any case the material may be very useful. I think they need to do a
» controlled study in humans with IRB approval.It might be interesting to try
» in humans who undergo scalp surgery for removal of a skin cancer. In some
» of these situations we allow the wound to granulate in anyway.
»
»
» Thank you Bill for this information and I can see the
» excitement when you see the photos of animal wounds and hair re growth. I
» have also given you Case Studies of Equine wounds and rapid healing with
» hair regrowth with PRP and our natural protein matrix, but regrowing hair
» from a wound on an animal and regrowing hair after the follicle is removed
» from a human is very different. We will continue in our research, that is
» also FDA approved and based our experience in 28,000 human procedures and
» the answers we are all working toward may fall somewhere in the middle.
» Lets keep in contact and share information as we are all in this
» together.
u for your email. The video and photos were very interesting.
»
» If I am not mistaken, ACell’s products currently consist of a
» porcine-derived protein sheet or matrix. There are a number of these
» types of products that have been on the market for years. In my training
» in General Surgery over 15 yrs ago, we used quite a bit of these types of
» products to help heal large surface area wounds all over the human body
» with good success. Personally, seven yrs ago in my hair restoration
» practice, I used a porcine sheet for a patient with a very large area of
» scalp which had been injured and removed down to the skull. Amazing
» regrowth of skin occurred via islands of tissue proliferating up through
» the exposed surface of the skull finally coalescing into complete (yet
» thin) coverage in a few months. Many of the natural components of skin
» were noted in the regrowth of these human patients I’ve seen personally.
» However, sadly, not hair follicles. That patient I personally treated here
» in Florida eventually needed transplants to cover the area.
I think these doctors are telling the truth. I think there won’t be any
hair regrowth. Anyway, I think the Acell product must be tried.
Some of the answers of the doctors is complete bull**** and show
a bully and self-sufficient attitude against HM. For example:
THE PITYFUL PROPAGANDA******
» In other words, if you were completely satisfied after you painted your
» house with two coats of ‘permanent,’ weather-proof paint, what good would
» an unlimited supply of paint do for you?
»
» A recent ‘cover’ article in The Hair Transplant Forum (our most prominent
» journal), in fact, highlighted the point that most patients today won’t
» really need some kind of ‘hair multiplication’ to achieve a satisfying
» result, despite the media’s fascination with that kind of technology. The
» key to treating hair loss is not really creating new follicles, but
» reversing and preventing their miniaturization at an early stage, before
» the hair loss is severe.
» »
»
» THE PITYFUL PROPAGANDA******
»
» » In other words, if you were completely satisfied after you painted your
» » house with two coats of ‘permanent,’ weather-proof paint, what good
» would
» » an unlimited supply of paint do for you?
» »
» » A recent ‘cover’ article in The Hair Transplant Forum (our most
» prominent
» » journal), in fact, highlighted the point that most patients today won’t
» » really need some kind of ‘hair multiplication’ to achieve a satisfying
» » result, despite the media’s fascination with that kind of technology.
» The
» » key to treating hair loss is not really creating new follicles, but
» » reversing and preventing their miniaturization at an early stage,
» before
» » the hair loss is severe.
» **************************************************
Exactly…whoever this doc is doesn’t want any advances whatsoever, its obvious by their attitude. Multiplying existing donor hair would be a way for a man to NOT NEED FINASTERIDE, he could just make more donor hair to implant in with his existing hair as it miniaturized. Nobody really wants to take a pill that much that is expensive.
Until science can figure out a way to have a liposomal or nanosomal-type of dutasteride that will stay in the scalp dermis delivered by a shampoo, people are going to gripe about hair treatments. Nobody really LIKES taking the pills, and nobody really wants to use topicals. A shampoo formulation would be the only "acceptable’ treatment for the large majority of humanity out there that humans would be comfortable with.
Until then (if ever), people would rather be able to just have MORE DONOR hair to be “made” so it could be transplanted or injected via cells or differentiated hairs from tissue matrixes or whatever so they can not be “addicted” to a pill or a topical after-shower spray. Being “addicted” to one brand of shampoo isn’t so bad—you are going to wash your head anyway.
Bill,
I think it may be helpful if a consultant from acell or someone with expertise in this particular type of technology works in concert with a hair transplantation doctor. Blind trial and error is not the most efficient or scientific way to go about it, and the doctors may need advice or guidance as to how best utilize this new technology. Surely, a consultant of some kind has to be brought on board to make this happen as successfully as possible.
We’ve already proven follicular neogenesis. All that remains is to to prove whether we can grow a FULL head of hair from scratch. I’ll handle that side of things to the best of my ability. However, failure on my part would not be indicative of procedure failure. It would merely indicate my amateaur approach and lack of knowledge. But it IS working. Let’s see to what DEGREE it works.
» We’ve already proven follicular neogenesis.
Link ?
» Bill,
» I think it may be helpful if a consultant from acell or someone with
» expertise in this particular type of technology works in concert with a
» hair transplantation doctor. Blind trial and error is not the most
» efficient or scientific way to go about it, and the doctors may need advice
» or guidance as to how best utilize this new technology. Surely, a
» consultant of some kind has to be brought on board to make this happen as
» successfully as possible.
I agree. That would be nice. But remember, Acell was not created for the purpose of hair restoration. It was created for the purpose of wound healing. I’m sure that they are willing to answer individual questions that doctors may ask about the product, but I’m not sure that they would be interested in “getting involved” is a study for the purpose of hair restoration.
That is why I contacted AS MANY DOCTORS AS POSSIBLE about Acell. I think that, even amongst doctors, you will find great variances of capabilities. That is, some doctors are highly skilled and will try the product in several different ways (hopefully determining which, if any, works best) and some doctors who have no foresight and will have no interest in the product or will “screw up” while attempting to use Acell.
Take Care,
Bill
P.S. That is also why I started the thread “Possible Testing Methods with Acell”. I wanted to get opinions from some of the more informed members of this forum on possible methods to test Acell. I wanted to develop another e-mail to send to the doctors that I originally contacted about Acell reguarding these ideas. I received a few good responses, but not as many as I would have hoped.
» THE PITYFUL PROPAGANDA******
»
» » In other words, if you were completely satisfied after you painted your
» » house with two coats of ‘permanent,’ weather-proof paint, what good
» would
» » an unlimited supply of paint do for you?
» »
» » A recent ‘cover’ article in The Hair Transplant Forum (our most
» prominent
» » journal), in fact, highlighted the point that most patients today won’t
» » really need some kind of ‘hair multiplication’ to achieve a satisfying
» » result, despite the media’s fascination with that kind of technology.
» The
» » key to treating hair loss is not really creating new follicles, but
» » reversing and preventing their miniaturization at an early stage,
» before
» » the hair loss is severe.
» **************************************************
spanish dude, u are exactly right about this being propaganda…
this ht doctor is saying that because he thinks everyone is satisfied with a “balding” look… meaning that we will all be satisfied if we just have “some” coverage on top, but still look seriously balding or receding, which is the normal result of a hair transplant…
why settle for that, when some of these technologies at least PROMISE to give us an unlimited donor supply, which means the equivalent of a full head of hair.
why would i want to look like a guy with a very high, receding hairline, when i can look like brad pitt?
or whoever…
» » THE PITYFUL PROPAGANDA******
» »
» » » In other words, if you were completely satisfied after you painted
» your
» » » house with two coats of ‘permanent,’ weather-proof paint, what good
» » would
» » » an unlimited supply of paint do for you?
» » »
» » » A recent ‘cover’ article in The Hair Transplant Forum (our most
» » prominent
» » » journal), in fact, highlighted the point that most patients today
» won’t
» » » really need some kind of ‘hair multiplication’ to achieve a
» satisfying
» » » result, despite the media’s fascination with that kind of technology.
»
Willy, could you please tell us which doctor said this, so we can all know how much of a lying, snakeoil scumbag he is and avoid him?
I really don’t want to give his name. He was at least nice enough to respond to my e-mail so I don’t want to totally stab him in the back. I will give the city that he practices out of though. His office is in Boca Raton, Florida. (If that helps any).
I just want to say that I have spoken to a few vets in my area in regards to ACELL.Some had never heard of it while others rolled their eyes & dismissed ACELL all together.I am hoping that they are wrong but I really think that Follica is our only hope.
Growth in animals without Acell new hair?
No?
Did Acell new hair growth in animals?
I forwarded the doctor’s replies to Acell. This is the response that I received from Acell:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the information and for spreading the word about ACell. We are all eager to see if our product regenerates hair along with the other site specific tissues like we think it will.
At least they still sound confident that their product will work. It’s cool that doctors are trying Acell and Follica is looking so promising…this is the first time in many years where it looks like good things may really be on the horizon.
Take Care,
Bill
» I forwarded the doctor’s replies to Acell. This is the response that I
» received from Acell:
»
»
» Hi Bill,
»
» Thanks for the information and for spreading the word about ACell. We are
» all eager to see if our product regenerates hair along with the other site
» specific tissues like we think it will.
»
»
» At least they still sound confident that their product will work. It’s
» cool that doctors are trying Acell and Follica is looking so
» promising…this is the first time in many years where it looks like good
» things may really be on the horizon.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
Willy,whether this works or fails I will always appreciate & admire your efforts.Just remember,unlike you & I,people will say & do anything to make money of people.People in the hair restoration industry are serial offenders when it comes to lying to make a dollar.Don’t get your hopes up to high, let’s wait and see what Doctor Jones comes up with.This is a very exciting development but just remember,unlike Follica,this has never been proven to work in humans.
» » I forwarded the doctor’s replies to Acell. This is the response that I
» » received from Acell:
» »
» »
» » Hi Bill,
» »
» » Thanks for the information and for spreading the word about ACell. We
» are
» » all eager to see if our product regenerates hair along with the other
» site
» » specific tissues like we think it will.
» »
» »
» » At least they still sound confident that their product will work. It’s
» » cool that doctors are trying Acell and Follica is looking so
» » promising…this is the first time in many years where it looks like
» good
» » things may really be on the horizon.
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Bill
»
» Willy,whether this works or fails I will always appreciate & admire your
» efforts.Just remember,unlike you & I,people will say & do anything to make
» money of people.People in the hair restoration industry are serial
» offenders when it comes to lying to make a dollar.Don’t get your hopes up
» to high, let’s wait and see what Doctor Jones comes up with.This is a very
» exciting development but just remember,unlike Follica,this has never been
» proven to work in humans.
Thanks. I just want my hair back. It really doesn’t matter how. I’d rather not go through surgery (again) to get it…but if that’s what it takes I’ll do it. I would rather Follica bring a working product to market relatively soon than use Acell to replace donor hair (if it works), but I’ll take what I can get. I guess if Acell works, I’ll have a decision to make. Hopefully, by then, we’ll know more about Follica. If Follica shows true promise that it will provide a full head of hair and will be brought to market relatively soon (in the next couple of years), I will wait. Either way, I have to wait a while because I really can’t afford another HT right now…hopefully by the time I can I will know more about Follica.
I appreciate the guys who are trying “home trials” of Follica’s method. That takes guts. It’s nice that FINALLY there are forum members who are being proactive about their problems. It can be really frustrating when you consider that there are 1500 members with a common goal / problem who were never willing to work together to be proactive about their problem.
As far as Acell goes…you’re guess is as good as mine. Obviously, the company and several doctors have some confidence in it. We shall soon see. I just pushed to try to connect this company to the HT doctors because that is really all that I could think of to do…and I’m sick of waiting.
I do have faith that one of these new technoligies will help us. This is the first time in a long time that I’ve felt this way. I’ve already waited for almost 20 years to get a full head of hair again (I’m 38 now and started losing my hair at 20) and to me, a couple more years doesn’t sound that long. I just hope I’m right.
Sorry for all the rambling…they’re just a few of my thoughts.
Take Care,
Bill
» Thanks. I just want my hair back. It really doesn’t matter how. I’d
» rather not go through surgery (again) to get it…but if that’s what it
» takes I’ll do it. I would rather Follica bring a working product to market
» relatively soon than use Acell to replace donor hair (if it works), but
» I’ll take what I can get. I guess if Acell works, I’ll have a decision to
» make. Hopefully, by then, we’ll know more about Follica. If Follica shows
» true promise that it will provide a full head of hair and will be brought
» to market relatively soon (in the next couple of years), I will wait.
» Either way, I have to wait a while because I really can’t afford another HT
» right now…hopefully by the time I can I will know more about Follica.
»
» I appreciate the guys who are trying “home trials” of Follica’s method.
» That takes guts. It’s nice that FINALLY there are forum members who are
» being proactive about their problems. It can be really frustrating when
» you consider that there are 1500 members with a common goal / problem who
» were never willing to work together to be proactive about their problem.
»
» As far as Acell goes…you’re guess is as good as mine. Obviously,
» the company and several doctors have some confidence in it. We shall soon
» see. I just pushed to try to connect this company to the HT doctors
» because that is really all that I could think of to do…and I’m sick of
» waiting.
»
» I do have faith that one of these new technoligies will help us. This is
» the first time in a long time that I’ve felt this way. I’ve already waited
» for almost 20 years to get a full head of hair again (I’m 38 now and
» started losing my hair at 20) and to me, a couple more years doesn’t sound
» that long. I just hope I’m right.
»
» Sorry for all the rambling…they’re just a few of my thoughts.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
You don’t have to apologise to me for expressing your thoughts.I am in the same boat as you my friend & am prepared to listen to anything you want to say.Talking helps allot.
i wish we could find out how the soldiers are doing regarding their treatment with acell, no news may not be good news unfortunately, if this stuff is only successful at eliminating a scar used in the way jotronic described, i will consider it a huge breakthrough, even if it doesnt give unlimited donor, it would be an advancement that transplant doctors couldnt ignore,