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2% Nizoral + Head & Shoulders everyday


#1

Hey all, I’m D and a new member. I’ve joined this site because there’s a lot of users with great insight on hair loss.
I’ve been on Proscar for the past 3 years and since the last 4 months I’ve been using Nizoral everyday and recently started using H&S. I’ve noticed less inflammation (not as much tingling, pulling sensations on scalp) scalp pimples and fuller hair. As of late I’ve noticed that I lose more miniaturized hairs than actual terminal hairs in the shower. I lose 1 or 2 terminal hairs for every 10 thinner miniaturized hairs.

Although I would much rather lose thin hairs than thick hairs, as blindly optimistic as this might sound, I was wondering if the thin hairs are cycling into thicker hairs with the daily shampoo use? Thanks.


#2

Nizoral 2% used alone everyday is TOO harsh, let alone Nizoral 2% AND head & shoulder EVERYDAY.

» Hey all, I’m D and a new member. I’ve joined this site because there’s a
» lot of users with great insight on hair loss.
» I’ve been on Proscar for the past 3 years and since the last 4 months I’ve
» been using Nizoral everyday and recently started using H&S. I’ve noticed
» less inflammation (not as much tingling, pulling sensations on scalp) scalp
» pimples and fuller hair. As of late I’ve noticed that I lose more
» miniaturized hairs than actual terminal hairs in the shower. I lose 1 or 2
» terminal hairs for every 10 thinner miniaturized hairs.
»
» Although I would much rather lose thin hairs than thick hairs, as blindly
» optimistic as this might sound, I was wondering if the thin hairs are
» cycling into thicker hairs with the daily shampoo use? Thanks.


#3

» Nizoral 2% used alone everyday is TOO harsh, let alone Nizoral 2% AND head
» & shoulder EVERYDAY.
»
»
» » Hey all, I’m D and a new member. I’ve joined this site because there’s
» a
» » lot of users with great insight on hair loss.
» » I’ve been on Proscar for the past 3 years and since the last 4 months
» I’ve
» » been using Nizoral everyday and recently started using H&S. I’ve
» noticed
» » less inflammation (not as much tingling, pulling sensations on scalp)
» scalp
» » pimples and fuller hair. As of late I’ve noticed that I lose more
» » miniaturized hairs than actual terminal hairs in the shower. I lose 1 or
» 2
» » terminal hairs for every 10 thinner miniaturized hairs.
» »
» » Although I would much rather lose thin hairs than thick hairs, as
» blindly
» » optimistic as this might sound, I was wondering if the thin hairs are
» » cycling into thicker hairs with the daily shampoo use? Thanks.

yeah…i use Nizoral 2% every otehr day…dotn use it everyday…ur hair will fry out…lol…but overall it does make ur hair thicker and some regrowth.,…but i am started to see it thin again.,.,but i am stressed out liek hell from work nad my retarded ex gf…LOL…Control stress and this product worsk great,try ultraHair vitamins…very good and vit D!!


#4

That’s strange. I started using Head & Shoulders about 3 weeks ago and have noticed exactly the same thing. Less loss of terminal hairs and more loss of seemingly miniaturised hairs in comparison. My hair is a little better than it’s been in a while (besides the awful haircut I just had!). Zinc Pyrithione (the active ingredient in H & S) works against pathogens and seems to sort my itch right out, too.

I dropped Nizoral in favour of H&S.


#5

You might as well put arsenic on your head, it is perhaps one of the most harsh, shampoos on the market, sure it gets rid of dandruff, along with a lot of your healthy hair

Niz shampoo? why not try niz cream? The shampoo is much too harsh, and has HCL hydrochloric acid in it, as well as one of the main ingredients for embalming fluid,
the cream has neither of these

there are much less harsh ways to deal with dandruff than what you are doing


#6

» » Nizoral 2% used alone everyday is TOO harsh, let alone Nizoral 2% AND
» head
» » & shoulder EVERYDAY.
» »
» »
» » » Hey all, I’m D and a new member. I’ve joined this site because
» there’s
» » a
» » » lot of users with great insight on hair loss.
» » » I’ve been on Proscar for the past 3 years and since the last 4 months
» » I’ve
» » » been using Nizoral everyday and recently started using H&S. I’ve
» » noticed
» » » less inflammation (not as much tingling, pulling sensations on scalp)
» » scalp
» » » pimples and fuller hair. As of late I’ve noticed that I lose more
» » » miniaturized hairs than actual terminal hairs in the shower. I lose 1
» or
» » 2
» » » terminal hairs for every 10 thinner miniaturized hairs.
» » »
» » » Although I would much rather lose thin hairs than thick hairs, as
» » blindly
» » » optimistic as this might sound, I was wondering if the thin hairs are
» » » cycling into thicker hairs with the daily shampoo use? Thanks.
»
» yeah…i use Nizoral 2% every otehr day…dotn use it everyday…ur hair
» will fry out…lol…but overall it does make ur hair thicker and some
» regrowth.,…but i am started to see it thin again.,.,but i am stressed out
» liek hell from work nad my retarded ex gf…LOL…Control stress and this
» product worsk great,try ultraHair vitamins…very good and vit D!!

Maxi hair is half the price of Ultra hair and just as good

you are right Niz you cant use everyday


#7

» You might as well put arsenic on your head, it is perhaps one of the most
» harsh, shampoos on the market, sure it gets rid of dandruff, along with a
» lot of your healthy hair
Wow, as much as I thought I would NEVER back up a comment by Hangin he is actually right on this.
Hair On Your Shoulders, I mean Head and Shoulders, is known to cause hair follicle miniaturzation in doulbe-blind tests again other dandruff shampoos.
All you have to do is a little Googling to find this.


#8

Sure, there’s a few bad reviews of Head and Shoulders out there…but there’s also good ones! Some people swear by H&S in that it cured their seborrheic dermatitis and I’ve even read a couple of doctors posts saying it might be somewhat effective against MPB due to the Zinc interfering with the 5alpha-reductase enzymes - obviously we all know that Zinc and Vit B6 together has been shown to inhibit DHT by a large amount when topically applied…

I also have read those studies that pit Zinc Pyrithione against Piroctone Olamine and Ketaconazole shampoos and I noticed the fact that hair diameter shrunk marginally with the Zinc Shampoo in comparison to the others…BUT didn’t the anagen ratio actually increase along with the other shampoos and actually to a greater degree than them?!

I’m not saying that you’re wrong about H&S being a harsh shampoo, but it’s easy to pull some reviews off the net to back up or undermine the efficacy of a product…


#9

» Sure, there’s a few bad reviews of Head and Shoulders out there…but
» there’s also good ones! Some people swear by H&S in that it cured their
» seborrheic dermatitis and I’ve even read a couple of doctors posts saying
» it might be somewhat effective against MPB due to the Zinc interfering with
» the 5alpha-reductase enzymes - obviously we all know that Zinc and Vit B6
» together has been shown to inhibit DHT by a large amount when topically
» applied…
»
» I also have read those studies that pit Zinc Pyrithione against Piroctone
» Olamine and Ketaconazole shampoos and I noticed the fact that hair diameter
» shrunk marginally with the Zinc Shampoo in comparison to the
» others…BUT didn’t the anagen ratio actually increase along with the
» other shampoos and actually to a greater degree than them?!
»
» I’m not saying that you’re wrong about H&S being a harsh shampoo, but it’s
» easy to pull some reviews off the net to back up or undermine the efficacy
» of a product…

all i know is when i used Head and Shoulders I might have just as well poured hydrochloric acid on my hair, i have never seen my hair deteriorate so quickly in such a short period of time

I would much rather choose nizoral cream, or petes shampoo


#10

head & Shouldrs is a very normal shampoo like many other shampoos. But it’s not good if you use it everyday and I don’t think you’ll find a doctor out there that will say it’okay to use everyday. ANYTHING used excessively can be damaging…that does not mean it’s a bad or too “strong” of a product.

» Sure, there’s a few bad reviews of Head and Shoulders out there…but
» there’s also good ones! Some people swear by H&S in that it cured their
» seborrheic dermatitis and I’ve even read a couple of doctors posts saying
» it might be somewhat effective against MPB due to the Zinc interfering with
» the 5alpha-reductase enzymes - obviously we all know that Zinc and Vit B6
» together has been shown to inhibit DHT by a large amount when topically
» applied…
»
» I also have read those studies that pit Zinc Pyrithione against Piroctone
» Olamine and Ketaconazole shampoos and I noticed the fact that hair diameter
» shrunk marginally with the Zinc Shampoo in comparison to the
» others…BUT didn’t the anagen ratio actually increase along with the
» other shampoos and actually to a greater degree than them?!
»
» I’m not saying that you’re wrong about H&S being a harsh shampoo, but it’s
» easy to pull some reviews off the net to back up or undermine the efficacy
» of a product…


#11

» head & Shouldrs is a very normal shampoo like many other shampoos. But it’s
» not good if you use it everyday and I don’t think you’ll find a doctor out
» there that will say it’okay to use everyday. ANYTHING used excessively can
» be damaging…that does not mean it’s a bad or too “strong” of a product.
»
»
»
» » Sure, there’s a few bad reviews of Head and Shoulders out there…but
» » there’s also good ones! Some people swear by H&S in that it cured their
» » seborrheic dermatitis and I’ve even read a couple of doctors posts
» saying
» » it might be somewhat effective against MPB due to the Zinc interfering
» with
» » the 5alpha-reductase enzymes - obviously we all know that Zinc and Vit
» B6
» » together has been shown to inhibit DHT by a large amount when topically
» » applied…
» »
» » I also have read those studies that pit Zinc Pyrithione against
» Piroctone
» » Olamine and Ketaconazole shampoos and I noticed the fact that hair
» diameter
» » shrunk marginally with the Zinc Shampoo in comparison to the
» » others…BUT didn’t the anagen ratio actually increase along with
» the
» » other shampoos and actually to a greater degree than them?!
» »
» » I’m not saying that you’re wrong about H&S being a harsh shampoo, but
» it’s
» » easy to pull some reviews off the net to back up or undermine the
» efficacy
» » of a product…

what is your definition of “very normal”

it is extremely harsh, and it is intended to get rid of dandruff, not an easy task. It is not intended to leave your hair in a manageable state, or leave your hair looking healthy or shiny,

it is extremly harsh


#12

I realize that they’re pretty harsh shampoos, I immediately rinse it with a mild shampoo + conditioner and then after it dries, I spray in a leave-in conditioner (my hair’s gettin long and the longer + fuller my hair is, the more attention I get from girls). I’ve been using the same mild shampoo + conditioner for quite some time and with the addition of nizoral and H&S, my scalp feels less itchier and more densely packed with hair. Yesterday I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me that I could be cycling in terminal hairs. I’m sure there’s literally thousands of people who use these products regularly across North America, and just because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t undermine the effectiveness of these shampoos.


#13

» Yesterday
» I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me that I
» could be cycling in terminal hairs.
You “found” miniaturized hairs with thicker roots??? Yeah, ok.
Keep using Head and Shoulders and you’ll “find” thicker hair with miniaturized roots.

» just
» because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t undermine the
» effectiveness of these shampoos.
Most people, like yourself, are completely unaware that the very shampoo they use is contributing to their problems. Just google Head and Shoulders type shampoos if you want the truth.


#14

» » Yesterday
» » I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me that I
» » could be cycling in terminal hairs.
» You “found” miniaturized hairs with thicker roots??? Yeah, ok.
» Keep using Head and Shoulders and you’ll “find” thicker hair with
» miniaturized roots.
»
» » just
» » because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t undermine
» the
» » effectiveness of these shampoos.
» Most people, like yourself, are completely unaware that the very shampoo
» they use is contributing to their problems. Just google Head and Shoulders
» type shampoos if you want the truth.

Hey to all in this thread. I just wanted to chime in because i’ve noticed something as well. I don’t use head and shoulders. It doesn’t seem to make sense. I do not have dandruff but I did run out and buy Nizerol today just to have it in my regiment a few times a week. I started with the 1% because I guess I will have to order the 2% online.

But here is my deal. I have been doing a bunch of the things from the forum here for about 2 months. I’m taking dutas, resveratrol/curcummin, toco with seasame seeds, green tea extract, hairmax laser come, just started rogaine this week and have been using aubrey organics mens formula as my shampoo, bioton, and maxi hair vitamins.

But I have noticed that in my hair line I have found some very tiny clear hair and traced them to the root where there seems to be color and a bit more thickness. I’m thrilled because to me it seems like the follicles are getting more healthy and allowing the hair to grow.

But is seems that many are saying those hairs must fall out first and that the hair itself thickening is impossible.

So what’s happening on my head. Should I be hoping for more shedding or is the thickening of the strands at near the root just an illusion?

Please advise

Hopefull


#15

» » » Yesterday
» » » I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me that
» I
» » » could be cycling in terminal hairs.
» » You “found” miniaturized hairs with thicker roots??? Yeah, ok.
» » Keep using Head and Shoulders and you’ll “find” thicker hair with
» » miniaturized roots.
» »
» » » just
» » » because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t
» undermine
» » the
» » » effectiveness of these shampoos.
» » Most people, like yourself, are completely unaware that the very
» shampoo
» » they use is contributing to their problems. Just google Head and
» Shoulders
» » type shampoos if you want the truth.
»
»
» Hey to all in this thread. I just wanted to chime in because i’ve noticed
» something as well. I don’t use head and shoulders. It doesn’t seem to make
» sense. I do not have dandruff but I did run out and buy Nizerol today just
» to have it in my regiment a few times a week. I started with the 1% because
» I guess I will have to order the 2% online.
»
» But here is my deal. I have been doing a bunch of the things from the
» forum here for about 2 months. I’m taking dutas, resveratrol/curcummin,
» toco with seasame seeds, green tea extract, hairmax laser come, just
» started rogaine this week and have been using aubrey organics mens formula
» as my shampoo, bioton, and maxi hair vitamins.
»
» But I have noticed that in my hair line I have found some very tiny clear
» hair and traced them to the root where there seems to be color and a bit
» more thickness. I’m thrilled because to me it seems like the follicles are
» getting more healthy and allowing the hair to grow.
»
» But is seems that many are saying those hairs must fall out first and that
» the hair itself thickening is impossible.
»
» So what’s happening on my head. Should I be hoping for more shedding or is
» the thickening of the strands at near the root just an illusion?
»
» Please advise
»
» Hopefull

i dont see much as far as natural dht blockers in your regimen
are you against taking those?

those are what regrew a ton of my hair


#16

» » » » Yesterday
» » » » I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me
» that
» » I
» » » » could be cycling in terminal hairs.
» » » You “found” miniaturized hairs with thicker roots??? Yeah, ok.
» » » Keep using Head and Shoulders and you’ll “find” thicker hair with
» » » miniaturized roots.
» » »
» » » » just
» » » » because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t
» » undermine
» » » the
» » » » effectiveness of these shampoos.
» » » Most people, like yourself, are completely unaware that the very
» » shampoo
» » » they use is contributing to their problems. Just google Head and
» » Shoulders
» » » type shampoos if you want the truth.
» »
» »
» » Hey to all in this thread. I just wanted to chime in because i’ve
» noticed
» » something as well. I don’t use head and shoulders. It doesn’t seem to
» make
» » sense. I do not have dandruff but I did run out and buy Nizerol today
» just
» » to have it in my regiment a few times a week. I started with the 1%
» because
» » I guess I will have to order the 2% online.
» »
» » But here is my deal. I have been doing a bunch of the things from the
» » forum here for about 2 months. I’m taking dutas, resveratrol/curcummin,
» » toco with seasame seeds, green tea extract, hairmax laser come, just
» » started rogaine this week and have been using aubrey organics mens
» formula
» » as my shampoo, bioton, and maxi hair vitamins.
» »
» » But I have noticed that in my hair line I have found some very tiny
» clear
» » hair and traced them to the root where there seems to be color and a
» bit
» » more thickness. I’m thrilled because to me it seems like the follicles
» are
» » getting more healthy and allowing the hair to grow.
» »
» » But is seems that many are saying those hairs must fall out first and
» that
» » the hair itself thickening is impossible.
» »
» » So what’s happening on my head. Should I be hoping for more shedding or
» is
» » the thickening of the strands at near the root just an illusion?
» »
» » Please advise
» »
» » Hopefull
»
» i dont see much as far as natural dht blockers in your regimen
» are you against taking those?
»
» those are what regrew a ton of my hair

Look, I’m totally into taking it all if it will help. I just assumed that dutas would be the most powerful. I will mix them all up for 6 months to see what I get. Would they cancel each other out or will they all work together in harmony?

I’m game my friend, just lay it out for me.

Also, what do you think about what I said about my miniturized hair being clear at the ends but now the roots appearing to have some color and diameter. Could that be due to all the things I’m doing or is it just my imagination.

In addition, I find these forums so difficult to follow, I have started a little blog just to keep things nice and tidy. If you would like to guest blog and explain your regiment and how it will help people you are welcome to do so. Just let me know.

Hopefull hair


#17

» » » » » Yesterday
» » » » » I’ve found miniaturized hairs with thicker roots, which tells me
» » that
» » » I
» » » » » could be cycling in terminal hairs.
» » » » You “found” miniaturized hairs with thicker roots??? Yeah, ok.
» » » » Keep using Head and Shoulders and you’ll “find” thicker hair with
» » » » miniaturized roots.
» » » »
» » » » » just
» » » » » because a handful say they’ve had a bad experience shouldn’t
» » » undermine
» » » » the
» » » » » effectiveness of these shampoos.
» » » » Most people, like yourself, are completely unaware that the very
» » » shampoo
» » » » they use is contributing to their problems. Just google Head and
» » » Shoulders
» » » » type shampoos if you want the truth.
» » »
» » »
» » » Hey to all in this thread. I just wanted to chime in because i’ve
» » noticed
» » » something as well. I don’t use head and shoulders. It doesn’t seem to
» » make
» » » sense. I do not have dandruff but I did run out and buy Nizerol today
» » just
» » » to have it in my regiment a few times a week. I started with the 1%
» » because
» » » I guess I will have to order the 2% online.
» » »
» » » But here is my deal. I have been doing a bunch of the things from the
» » » forum here for about 2 months. I’m taking dutas,
» resveratrol/curcummin,
» » » toco with seasame seeds, green tea extract, hairmax laser come, just
» » » started rogaine this week and have been using aubrey organics mens
» » formula
» » » as my shampoo, bioton, and maxi hair vitamins.
» » »
» » » But I have noticed that in my hair line I have found some very tiny
» » clear
» » » hair and traced them to the root where there seems to be color and a
» » bit
» » » more thickness. I’m thrilled because to me it seems like the
» follicles
» » are
» » » getting more healthy and allowing the hair to grow.
» » »
» » » But is seems that many are saying those hairs must fall out first and
» » that
» » » the hair itself thickening is impossible.
» » »
» » » So what’s happening on my head. Should I be hoping for more shedding
» or
» » is
» » » the thickening of the strands at near the root just an illusion?
» » »
» » » Please advise
» » »
» » » Hopefull
» »
» » i dont see much as far as natural dht blockers in your regimen
» » are you against taking those?
» »
» » those are what regrew a ton of my hair
»
» Look, I’m totally into taking it all if it will help. I just assumed that
» dutas would be the most powerful. I will mix them all up for 6 months to
» see what I get. Would they cancel each other out or will they all work
» together in harmony?
»
» I’m game my friend, just lay it out for me.
»
» Also, what do you think about what I said about my miniturized hair being
» clear at the ends but now the roots appearing to have some color and
» diameter. Could that be due to all the things I’m doing or is it just my
» imagination.
»
» In addition, I find these forums so difficult to follow, I have started a
» little blog just to keep things nice and tidy. If you would like to guest
» blog and explain your regiment and how it will help people you are welcome
» to do so. Just let me know.
»
» Hopefull hair

far as the miniaturized hairs i have never tried to figure them out, they could either be hairs in the last stages of growth before miniaturizing so much u cant see them, in other words kind of dying off, or they could be in the process of regrowing, i never got into that much

what I watch mostly is growth rate, and fallout
when you have high fallout its bad news, and u have to get that under control,

also growth rate, when the hair starts getting stunted, growing more slowly, becoming thinner in diameter etc, its a sure sign of slow death

I watched my slow or almost non growing hair on the top front, gradually speed up and grow to an almost normal rate within 6 to 18 months

i am not saying natural dht blockers work better or that they will even work on you , but you can try them

even saw palmetto which i dont see used much, for me it was A POWERFUL help and brought my 300 hairs per day fallout down to 15 hairs per day within 2 wks, and it is a very weak DHT BLOCKER

if you respond to naturals i dont think you need DUT, doesnt it have a lot of side effects?


#18

Titre du document / Document title
Nudging hair shedding by antidandruff shampoos. A comparison of 1% ketoconazole, 1% piroctone olamine and 1% zinc pyrithione formulations
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
PIERARD-FRANCHIMONT C. (1) ; COFFIN V. (1) ; HENRY F. (1) ; UHODA I. (1) ; BRAHAM C. (1) ; PIERARD G. E. (1) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Department of Dermatopathology, University Medical Center Sart Tilman, 4000 Liège, BELGIQUE

Résumé / Abstract
Hair shedding and hair thinning have been reported to be affected by dandruff and seborrhoeic dermatitis. The present study was conducted in 150 men presenting with telogen effluvium related to androgenic alopecia associated with dandruff. They were randomly allocated to three groups receiving each one of the three shampoos in the market containing either 1% ketoconazole (KTZ), 1% piroctone olamine (PTO) or 1% zinc pyrithione (ZPT). Shampoos had to be used 2-3 times a week for 6 months. Hair shedding during shampoo was evaluated semiquantitatively. Hair density on the vertex was evaluated on photographs using a Dermaphot. Trichograms were used for determining the anagen hair percentage and the mean proximal hair shaft diameter using computerized image analysis. The sebum excretion rate (SER, μg cm-2 h-1) was also measured using a Sebumeter R. The three treatments cleared pruritus and dandruff rapidly At end point, hair density was unchanged, although hair shedding was decreased (KTZ: -17.3%, PTO: -16.5%, ZPT: -10.1%) and the anagen hair percentage was increased (KTZ: 4.9%, PTO: 7.9%, ZPT: 6.8%). The effect on the mean hair shaft diameter was contrasted between the three groups of volunteers (KTZ: 5.4%, PTO: 7.7%, ZPT: -2.2%). In conclusion, telogen effluvium was controlled by KTZ, PTO and ZPTshampoos at 1% concentration. In addition, KTZ and PTO increased the mean hair shaft thickness while discretely decreasing the sebum output at the skin surface.
Revue / Journal Title

It would seem that if they ALL decreased shedding being used 2-3 times a week, and they ALL increased the anagen percentage, then NONE of them, being used 2-3 times a week could be bad for hair. I dont know about everyday usage though…might be uneccessary and a bit harsh.


#19

» Hey all, I’m D and a new member. I’ve joined this site because there’s a
» lot of users with great insight on hair loss.
» I’ve been on Proscar for the past 3 years and since the last 4 months I’ve
» been using Nizoral everyday and recently started using H&S. I’ve noticed
» less inflammation (not as much tingling, pulling sensations on scalp) scalp
» pimples and fuller hair. As of late I’ve noticed that I lose more
» miniaturized hairs than actual terminal hairs in the shower. I lose 1 or 2
» terminal hairs for every 10 thinner miniaturized hairs.
»
» Although I would much rather lose thin hairs than thick hairs, as blindly
» optimistic as this might sound, I was wondering if the thin hairs are
» cycling into thicker hairs with the daily shampoo use? Thanks.

Alternate with an Essential oil shampoo and a PTO shampoo.

Regards
Pete


#20

Hey Widows peak and everyone else -

With all the knocks on head and shoulders and the general knowledge that nizoral or T-gel would be bad on a regular basis what do you recomend for a daily after gym shampoo? I can’t think leaving the sweat on your scalp before bed is a good idea for your pore/hair health?

Any help would be appreciated