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Which of the new possible treatments would you prefer?


#1

Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you rather have? Assume costs are similar.


#2

whichever one works best. all we got right now are theories and wishy-washy release dates.


#3

If the results will be similiar to the mice i’ve seen, i want Follica!


#4

» Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you
» rather have? Assume costs are similar.

Of course ICX, I do not want any unecessary blood and swelling and having half of my scalp scraped off. Just few tiny injections and tomorrow back to work.


#5

» » Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you
» » rather have? Assume costs are similar.

ICX and Follica better get there game in order and soon. If flutagel actually works these companies are gonna lose a LOT of money. If they dont provide results by march and reviews from flutagel users start coming back as positive then I’m sorry but you took too long.


#6

» ICX and Follica better get there game in order and soon. If flutagel
» actually works these companies are gonna lose a LOT of money. If they dont
» provide results by march and reviews from flutagel users start coming back
» as positive then I’m sorry but you took too long.

Never heard of this Flutagel before???


#7

» » » Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you
» » » rather have? Assume costs are similar.
»
» ICX and Follica better get there game in order and soon. If flutagel
» actually works these companies are gonna lose a LOT of money. If they dont
» provide results by march and reviews from flutagel users start coming back
» as positive then I’m sorry but you took too long.

lol the problem is that flutagel actualy does not work any better than flutamide topicals. So no one is going to lose anything but the hair.


#8

» Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you
» rather have? Assume costs are similar.

I’m 25 y/o with aggressive MPB…I definitely go for ICX-TRC


#9

» » Of the two big potential treatments - ITX or Follica - which would you
» » rather have? Assume costs are similar.
»
» Of course ICX, I do not want any unecessary blood and swelling and having
» half of my scalp scraped off. Just few tiny injections and tomorrow back
» to work.

I don’t think their process involves deep wounding, just dermabrasion. If its anything like the dermabrasion proceadure used on the face, then there wouldn’t be any bleeding. I could be wrong, however.

For me, I’m looking for Follica, as it employs FDA approved drugs. ITX is totally experimental, and I don’t want to be the guineapig.


#10

Dermabrasion is not a big deal at all. I guarantee you’ve done a hell of a lot worse to youself a kid just from falling off a skateboard.

No bleeding when it’s done right. You can literally do it yourself with a scrap of sandpaper. The area is more irritated & red an hour later than when it’s actually being done.

The only reason people think twice about it is because we’re not just talking about a small point location. A pretty large area of skin will have to be done. And then it’s not pretty for a week or more.


#11

They are talking about wounding that sounds like swelling and possibly blood to me. I have not heard them saying anything that would suggest that they aim to minimise discomfort.

So one will probably have swollen bloody head for a week or two, then 4 months later some hair starts growing, just so that a year later it falls out because it was made of using the same cells as the previous DHT sensitive hair. WTF? I’m not doing this.

FDA approved drugs - that sounds to me like just another treatment. I do not believe that any currently available drug can deliver full head of thick hair. If it could then we’d all have the hair already. There would be someone who has tried it before or is trying it now and showing new pics of his elvis hair. As far as I know there is no such a WOW user yet.

I think that all this WNT singaling is important, but it will not be used the way follica has tested it on the mouse (in which even vitamins and pretty much everything else grows hair like crazy).

It may grow some significant hair on baldies scalp when the scalp is wounded and procedure done, but I do not expect the quality of the hair to be any high, and I do not expect it to last longer than one or few short cycles (it will not grow full 2 year plus lasting, 10 inch plus long hair for sure).

What it could be used for is to improve HT results in some way (boosting the grafts, regenerating the donor area, …)

for all these reasons I do believe that you guys are once again living the pipe dream. It’s like that italian research which turned to be just a bragging (I mean where are all the treated burn victims?). These guys are just flattering so they can get investors money.


#12

» They are talking about wounding that sounds like swelling and possibly
blood to me. I have not heard them saying anything that would suggest that
they aim to minimise discomfort.

So one will probably have swollen bloody head for a week or two, then 4
months later some hair starts growing, just so that a year later it falls
out because it was made of using the same cells as the previous DHT
sensitive hair. WTF? I’m not doing this.

FDA approved drugs - that sounds to me like just another treatment. I do
not believe that any currently available drug can deliver full head of
thick hair. If it could then we’d all have the hair already. There would
be someone who has tried it before or is trying it now and showing new
pics of his elvis hair. As far as I know there is no such a WOW user yet.

I think that all this WNT singaling is important, but it will not be used
the way follica has tested it on the mouse (in which even vitamins and
pretty much everything else grows hair like crazy).

It may grow some significant hair on baldies scalp when the scalp is
wounded and procedure done, but I do not expect the quality of the hair to
be any high, and I do not expect it to last longer than one or few short
cycles (it will not grow full 2 year plus lasting, 10 inch plus long hair
for sure).

What it could be used for is to improve HT results in some way (boosting
the grafts, regenerating the donor area, …)

for all these reasons I do believe that you guys are once again living the
pipe dream.

You’re assuming too much. Nobody knows the full extent of either procedure, side-effects, hair quality, or DHT resistance. You’re simply taking the most pessimistic stance. Now I’m not asking you to jump on the HM band wagon; I’m asking you to have a little faith and patience.

It’s like that italian research which turned to be just a
bragging (I mean where are all the treated burn victims?). These guys are
just flattering so they can get investors money.
doctor/patient confidentiality comes to mind

.


#13

I really agree with ya Debris, poor hair quality, poor direction, poor colors.

People are pipe dreaming again…

» They are talking about wounding that sounds like swelling and possibly
» blood to me. I have not heard them saying anything that would suggest that
» they aim to minimise discomfort.
»
» So one will probably have swollen bloody head for a week or two, then 4
» months later some hair starts growing, just so that a year later it falls
» out because it was made of using the same cells as the previous DHT
» sensitive hair. WTF? I’m not doing this.
»
» FDA approved drugs - that sounds to me like just another treatment. I do
» not believe that any currently available drug can deliver full head of
» thick hair. If it could then we’d all have the hair already. There would
» be someone who has tried it before or is trying it now and showing new
» pics of his elvis hair. As far as I know there is no such a WOW user yet.
»
» I think that all this WNT singaling is important, but it will not be used
» the way follica has tested it on the mouse (in which even vitamins and
» pretty much everything else grows hair like crazy).
»
» It may grow some significant hair on baldies scalp when the scalp is
» wounded and procedure done, but I do not expect the quality of the hair to
» be any high, and I do not expect it to last longer than one or few short
» cycles (it will not grow full 2 year plus lasting, 10 inch plus long hair
» for sure).
»
» What it could be used for is to improve HT results in some way (boosting
» the grafts, regenerating the donor area, …)
»
» for all these reasons I do believe that you guys are once again living the
» pipe dream. It’s like that italian research which turned to be just a
» bragging (I mean where are all the treated burn victims?). These guys are
» just flattering so they can get investors money.


#14

» » They are talking about wounding that sounds like swelling and
» possibly
» blood to me. I have not heard them saying anything that would suggest
» that
» they aim to minimise discomfort.
»
» So one will probably have swollen bloody head for a week or two, then 4
» months later some hair starts growing, just so that a year later it falls
» out because it was made of using the same cells as the previous DHT
» sensitive hair. WTF? I’m not doing this.
»
» FDA approved drugs - that sounds to me like just another treatment. I do
» not believe that any currently available drug can deliver full head of
» thick hair. If it could then we’d all have the hair already. There would
» be someone who has tried it before or is trying it now and showing new
» pics of his elvis hair. As far as I know there is no such a WOW user yet.
»
» I think that all this WNT singaling is important, but it will not be used
» the way follica has tested it on the mouse (in which even vitamins and
» pretty much everything else grows hair like crazy).
»
» It may grow some significant hair on baldies scalp when the scalp is
» wounded and procedure done, but I do not expect the quality of the hair
» to
» be any high, and I do not expect it to last longer than one or few short
» cycles (it will not grow full 2 year plus lasting, 10 inch plus long hair
» for sure).
»
» What it could be used for is to improve HT results in some way (boosting
» the grafts, regenerating the donor area, …)
»
» for all these reasons I do believe that you guys are once again living
» the
» pipe dream.
»
» You’re assuming too much. Nobody knows the full extent of either
» procedure, side-effects, hair quality, or DHT resistance. You’re simply
» taking the most pessimistic stance. Now I’m not asking you to jump on the
» HM band wagon; I’m asking you to have a little faith and patience.

faith, hmm isnt that what Jim Jones and David Koresh, told their followers, and where did that “faith” get them…6 feet under

faith when misplaced, is at the least a waste of time, at the worst, it can be dangerous


#15

I think there’s some excessive pessimism going around here with the Folica stuff.

– Direction problems? Characteristics? Your body would be regenerating the hair BY ITSELF, remember? If there’s enough programming to grow the hairs pigmented & termainal at all, then there’s enough programming to do it like it was before. No way in christ’s testicles is your body gonna sprout a nice legit new terminal hair via wounding/regrowth and then have it come out in a totally wrong direction or something. IMO that’s just excessively negative thinking to worry about it. A human transplant/injection doctor might be potentially liable to do it wrong, but your body won’t even have the programming to do anything other than the original way in any given spot.

– Cosmetic surgical procedures that work by regenerating skin in any way are generally oriented toward NOT wounding deeply at all. Once you break into bleeding, that brings scar tissue. Scar tissue means the body’s original cell-growth mechanisms are gonna be compromised in order to seal things back up faster. That’s the polar opposite of the whole idea underlying the Folica treatment. IMO this concern is just thinking unnessecarily negative again.

I’m not telling you guys to think totally positive until proven otherwise, I’m only saying think about what’s most likely given the evidence.

IMO the most likely scenario for the Folica treatment sounds positive in every aspect except for the DHT resistance of the new hairs. I do not see any reason for the new hairs to last any longer than the originals did in that spot. And nothing Folica says about better DHT resistance in the new hairs has sounded very convincing to me.

The ideal situation?

We use the Folica method to first regrow the lost hair. And then in a few more years we use ICX’s DP cell infusions to grant the new hairs full DHT resistance like the donor hairs have. Everything solved, no real HT-related problems or major continued medication regimens.