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#1

this is just what it looks like to me, and i am only speaking for myself with my own opinion, but it looks like icx and aderans have completely failed in their bid to bring out hm… looks like we are back at square 1, and we only have follica to rely on…

acell is total hype being trumped up by a few people on this board who are making HUGE assumptions and basically fueling a whole pr campaign on behalf of the acell company.

realistically i see follica’s chances of success at only about 50%, too… which isn’t too good.

things don’t look so great around here now. :frowning:


soon baldbaby will rise and when he rises, the weak shall suffer.

regimen: hope and obama/biden, not necessarily in that order.


#2

» this is just what it looks like to me, and i am only speaking for myself
» with my own opinion, but it looks like icx and aderans have completely
» failed in their bid to bring out hm… looks like we are back at square 1,
» and we only have follica to rely on…
»
» acell is total hype being trumped up by a few people on this board who are
» making HUGE assumptions and basically fueling a whole pr campaign on behalf
» of the acell company.
»
» realistically i see follica’s chances of success at only about 50%, too…
» which isn’t too good.
»
» things don’t look so great around here now. :frowning:
»
» —
»
» soon baldbaby will rise and when he rises, the weak shall suffer.
»
» regimen: hope and obama/biden, not necessarily in that order.

Man, relax! I guess I’m the one who hyped Acell. I’ve said all along that it may or may not work. Why would you not want them to even try it? I know it’s been tested (a couple of weeks ago) and hopefully we should know something soon. One thing is for sure…it’s no scam. It may or may not work…but it’s no scam. What are they gaining by scamming us? I’m the one who contacted them and I assure you that I’m not in on any scam. What would I be getting from it? It does have potential, so I am glad that they are trying it. What are we out if it doesn’t work? If they didn’t even try it, I would always wonder if it would have worked…so, at least I’ll know.

Take Care,
Bill

By the way, what’s up with this sh*t?:

soon baldbaby will rise and when he rises, the weak shall suffer.


#3

» By the way, what’s up with this sh*t?:
»
» soon baldbaby will rise and when he rises, the weak shall
» suffer.

I think he’s had enough of hairloss and is now planning a shooting spree!


#4

You guys are hilarious


#5

Well, everyone’s got a right to their own opinion.

And lord knows a little excess pessimism will do some people much less damage than a little excess optimism.

But I hope some of you guys appreciate that the Acell “hype” or “push” was just people doing what it took to get doctors to take any action.

That’s all anyone in the pro-Acell camp ever claimed or wanted . . . Please doctors, give it some honest tests for hair loss. And let’s not sit around waiting a few more unnecessary years before doing it.


#6

»»
» realistically i see follica’s chances of success at only about 50%, too…
» which isn’t too good.
»
» —
I think that’s overly pessimistic. Those guys have got something that can pretty much be proven at home albeit in a diluted form. Timeline is our only concern. I don’t trust the cosmetic industry and they aren’t going to like what Cotsarelis is doing.


#7

» I don’t trust the cosmetic industry and they aren’t going to
» like what Cotsarelis is doing.

Excellent point Baccy.There is no way in hell that this product will see the light of day any time soon.
That’s why I am so interested in Acell.Acell will work with the current treatments as opposed to rendering them obsolete.


#8

It won’t matter whether Folica is approved soon or not. At the rate we’re going right now, we’ll most likely have it figured out long before then.

Some people really don’t want to do it this way, but IMO it’s their loss. I just want my hair back too much to wait.

(Besides, what’s the “safe” alternative before Folica gets approved?

Flying a couple thousands miles away from home to get a bloody 10-hour-long transplant surgery?

Waiting for an English firm’s experimenal scheme of taking a chunk of your donor skin, sifting out & multiplying certain cells in a lab, and then re-injecting them into your head?

People have a funny way of judging what’s “safe” and what isn’t.)


#9

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and my opinion is that there is no baldness cure in the horizon.

Nothing. Emptiness that we try to fill with vane hopes.

Just my opinion.


#10

» Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and my opinion is that there is
» no baldness cure in the horizon.
»
» Nothing. Emptiness that we try to fill with vane hopes.
»
» Just my opinion.
Sure. Everyone’s opinion is accepted. I also doubt it, but I hope, and the hope comes from the fact that we know more now than before and researchers are working on this more and more. What I think we should do is to somehow find out information from the companies, at least to get some kind of info on how it’s going and what we can expect. I hate this secrecy that they have. Okey, Follica just started so maybe they will say something soon, but Intercytex and Aderans…I just wish we somehow could find what’s going on with Follica soon, which in my opinion is very promising.
Personally, I think Follica already at this point have a clue whether this will work or fail in the long run. At least they probably know whether their current knowledge about this whole process will be enough for a cure or if they have to do more research to know what’s going on. I think it all depends on what they observe from the trials at Harvard now.

Noone here knows anyone at Harvard? :slight_smile:


#11

» » Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and my opinion is that there
» is
» » no baldness cure in the horizon.
» »
» » Nothing. Emptiness that we try to fill with vane hopes.
» »
» » Just my opinion.
» Sure. Everyone’s opinion is accepted. I also doubt it, but I hope, and the
» hope comes from the fact that we know more now than before and researchers
» are working on this more and more. What I think we should do is to somehow
» find out information from the companies, at least to get some kind of info
» on how it’s going and what we can expect. I hate this secrecy that they
» have. Okey, Follica just started so maybe they will say something soon, but
» Intercytex and Aderans…I just wish we somehow could find what’s going on
» with Follica soon, which in my opinion is very promising.
» Personally, I think Follica already at this point have a clue whether this
» will work or fail in the long run. At least they probably know whether
» their current knowledge about this whole process will be enough for a cure
» or if they have to do more research to know what’s going on. I think it all
» depends on what they observe from the trials at Harvard now.
»
» Noone here knows anyone at Harvard? :slight_smile:

I’m pretty sure Boston Baldy is at Harvard.


#12

» » » Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and my opinion is that
» there
» » is
» » » no baldness cure in the horizon.
» » »
» » » Nothing. Emptiness that we try to fill with vane hopes.
» » »
» » » Just my opinion.
» » Sure. Everyone’s opinion is accepted. I also doubt it, but I hope, and
» the
» » hope comes from the fact that we know more now than before and
» researchers
» » are working on this more and more. What I think we should do is to
» somehow
» » find out information from the companies, at least to get some kind of
» info
» » on how it’s going and what we can expect. I hate this secrecy that they
» » have. Okey, Follica just started so maybe they will say something soon,
» but
» » Intercytex and Aderans…I just wish we somehow could find what’s going
» on
» » with Follica soon, which in my opinion is very promising.
» » Personally, I think Follica already at this point have a clue whether
» this
» » will work or fail in the long run. At least they probably know whether
» » their current knowledge about this whole process will be enough for a
» cure
» » or if they have to do more research to know what’s going on. I think it
» all
» » depends on what they observe from the trials at Harvard now.
» »
» » Noone here knows anyone at Harvard? :slight_smile:
»
» I’m pretty sure Boston Baldy is at Harvard.
Hm. You think he studies or works there? He commented some days ago on the post about Follica having the cure in 1-2 years, and basically said that he doesn’t know. If someone could talk to people that underwent their trial…I guess they also signed some form of disclosure or something, so one wouldn’t get so much information from them either, unless one observes significant hair regrowth on their scalps :).
I just wish that we will find out something about Follica in 2-3 months.

Willy: are you planning to contact Acell this week to see if they have any new info?


#13

» » » » Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and my opinion is that
» » there
» » » is
» » » » no baldness cure in the horizon.
» » » »
» » » » Nothing. Emptiness that we try to fill with vane hopes.
» » » »
» » » » Just my opinion.
» » » Sure. Everyone’s opinion is accepted. I also doubt it, but I hope,
» and
» » the
» » » hope comes from the fact that we know more now than before and
» » researchers
» » » are working on this more and more. What I think we should do is to
» » somehow
» » » find out information from the companies, at least to get some kind of
» » info
» » » on how it’s going and what we can expect. I hate this secrecy that
» they
» » » have. Okey, Follica just started so maybe they will say something
» soon,
» » but
» » » Intercytex and Aderans…I just wish we somehow could find what’s
» going
» » on
» » » with Follica soon, which in my opinion is very promising.
» » » Personally, I think Follica already at this point have a clue whether
» » this
» » » will work or fail in the long run. At least they probably know
» whether
» » » their current knowledge about this whole process will be enough for a
» » cure
» » » or if they have to do more research to know what’s going on. I think
» it
» » all
» » » depends on what they observe from the trials at Harvard now.
» » »
» » » Noone here knows anyone at Harvard? :slight_smile:
» »
» » I’m pretty sure Boston Baldy is at Harvard.
» Hm. You think he studies or works there? He commented some days ago on the
» post about Follica having the cure in 1-2 years, and basically said that he
» doesn’t know. If someone could talk to people that underwent their
» trial…I guess they also signed some form of disclosure or something, so
» one wouldn’t get so much information from them either, unless one observes
» significant hair regrowth on their scalps :).
» I just wish that we will find out something about Follica in 2-3 months.
»
» Willy: are you planning to contact Acell this week to see if they have any
» new info?

I’m pretty sure he is a student there. I contacted Acell yesterday. Really no new news at this point about hair. I know that one doctor used it during a FUE procedure. We’ll have to wait a few weeks to know what happens. The ARMY is using it on burn patients with great success. They have been using it to regenerate removed tissue for skin grafts but they are going to try placing it on the burned area (after all of the dead skin is removed) itself.

Take Care,
Bill


#14

:wink:


#15

This is just a theory, but I think Acell might have much better odds if it was put onto a damaged follicle.

It seems to regenerate what is put in front of it, but it won’t build something from scratch if it’s not there.

Like maybe do a Gho-style follicle-splitting transplant. Maybe Acell would heal up a whole working follicle out of each half of a donor follicle. This makes more sense to me than any other hair growth idea that is being tried with Acell.


#16

» This is just a theory, but I think Acell might have much better odds if it
» was put onto a damaged follicle.
»
»
» It seems to regenerate what is put in front of it, but it won’t build
» something from scratch if it’s not there.

" … We have no expectations that the current ECM technology can regenerate joints (knuckles) or nail beds … " for example, but yes, I will know you will go on saying that, why not ?

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Scarless-Healing-t157005.html&st=780&start=780


#17

» realistically i see follica’s chances of success at only about 50%, too…
» which isn’t too good.

50% isn’t too good ? … what do you want ? 150 % ? … unfortunately, it’s not 50%


#18

» This is just a theory, but I think Acell might have much better odds if it
» was put onto a damaged follicle.
»
»
» It seems to regenerate what is put in front of it, but it won’t build
» something from scratch if it’s not there.
»
»
» Like maybe do a Gho-style follicle-splitting transplant. Maybe Acell
» would heal up a whole working follicle out of each half of a donor
» follicle. This makes more sense to me than any other hair growth idea
» that is being tried with Acell.

aren’t the follicles on the wounded dogs damaged by definition? the dogs are wounded.

personally what i think about acell is that it is being hyped way beyond reason by some people on this board, who just seem to be obessed with it.


#19

» » This is just a theory, but I think Acell might have much better odds if
» it
» » was put onto a damaged follicle.
» »
» »
» » It seems to regenerate what is put in front of it, but it won’t build
» » something from scratch if it’s not there.
»
» " … We have no expectations that the current ECM technology can
» regenerate joints (knuckles) or nail beds … "

This was said by a colleague of Dr. Stephen Badylak, who is the senior scientific Advisor of ACell


#20

Where’s the “hype”?

A handful of people in the MPB community would not stop screaming about Acell’s possibilities until we finally got some HT doctors to start testing it.

If that is unjustified “hype” then I’d like to hear a better way to get anything done.

If it was the early 1990s right now, I think some of you guys would have called it “hype” if we yelled and screamed that we wanted a new prostate drug called Finasteride to be tested for hair effects.