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#1

For what it’s worth - and for our purposes it may not be worth much - I went to one of the clinics offering Vavelta. While there, of course I asked about TRC.

I think I can spot dodgy docs and this one I believe was straight, able and respectable. He gave an open and honest appraisal of Vaveleta and told me what he knew about TRC which he would be offering if it worked.

The issue with TRC is variable growth rates to some degree but mainly a problem of density. Currently, cosmetically acceptable levels of hair density were not being achieved. They were working on it, he said, and “if they can can get it to work it should be available in 2 to 5 years.”

He didn’t know about Intercytex not funding research beyond phase 11 trials or about the search for a partner. Partnering and licensing were common in the industry, he said.

The information doesn’t really change much but at least it takes the paranoia and guesswork out of it.


#2

Thanks for your input.

Can he offer a “honest” photo comparison for Vavelta? Because the photos we have seen are a total manipulation.

About TRC, I think there are many severe problems. Not just density.
Otherwise, they would repeat sessions until desired density is achieved.
Also, not a single photo of TRC has been published. guess why?
Can this doctor show us any TRC photo to see the quality of the hairs? Do they cycle normally?

» For what it’s worth - and for our purposes it may not be worth much - I
» went to one of the clinics offering Vavelta. While there, of course I asked
» about TRC.
»
» I think I can spot dodgy docs and this one I believe was straight, able
» and respectable. He gave an open and honest appraisal of Vaveleta and told
» me what he knew about TRC which he would be offering if it worked.
»
» The issue with TRC is variable growth rates to some degree but mainly a
» problem of density. Currently, cosmetically acceptable levels of hair
» density were not being achieved. They were working on it, he said, and “if
» they can can get it to work it should be available in 2 to 5 years.”
»
» He didn’t know about Intercytex not funding research beyond phase 11
» trials or about the search for a partner. Partnering and licensing were
» common in the industry, he said.
»
» The information doesn’t really change much but at least it takes the
» paranoia and guesswork out of it.


#3

» I think I can spot dodgy docs and this one I believe was straight, able
» and respectable. He gave an open and honest appraisal of Vaveleta and told
» me what he knew about TRC which he would be offering if it worked.

What did he say about Valvetta?

» The issue with TRC is variable growth rates to some degree but mainly a
» problem of density. Currently, cosmetically acceptable levels of hair
» density were not being achieved. They were working on it, he said, and “if
» they can can get it to work it should be available in 2 to 5 years.”

I am pretty sure that a lot of NW5+ would settle for some density rather than cosmetically acceptable density. So they should at least bring it out now and let people, who are willing to pay for it, have a test drive.


#4

» For what it’s worth - and for our purposes it may not be worth much - I
» went to one of the clinics offering Vavelta. While there, of course I asked
» about TRC.
»
» I think I can spot dodgy docs and this one I believe was straight, able
» and respectable. He gave an open and honest appraisal of Vaveleta and told
» me what he knew about TRC which he would be offering if it worked.
»
» The issue with TRC is variable growth rates to some degree but mainly a
» problem of density. Currently, cosmetically acceptable levels of hair
» density were not being achieved. They were working on it, he said, and “if
» they can can get it to work it should be available in 2 to 5 years.”
»
» He didn’t know about Intercytex not funding research beyond phase 11
» trials or about the search for a partner. Partnering and licensing were
» common in the industry, he said.
»
» The information doesn’t really change much but at least it takes the
» paranoia and guesswork out of it.

The problem is density?? We are talking about a solution that would give infinite donor hair. Density wouldnt be a problem, but maybe hair direction.


#5

A hair multiplication scheme that involves needling & “scalp stimulation” but ends up with density problems?

That’s sort of like a business that sells a product but ends up with a “cost/expense ratio” problem. It’s a clean & presentable way of saying that the concept just doesn’t work very well.

Personally I’d like to see a side-by-side comparison trial of TRC, against the same needling activity & “scalp stimulation” without any of the actual DP cell stuff. I’d still believe that the DP cell stuff is probably making some difference, but I’ll bet the resulting difference is uncomfortably close.


#6

Intercytex makes in a few weeks a new update.If we dont get some more news about TRC,i think it is dead!
Hopefully,Ari dont go the same way!


#7

» Intercytex makes in a few weeks a new update.If we dont get some more news
» about TRC,i think it is dead!
» Hopefully,Ari dont go the same way!

Can someone find out,if ARI need all the three Trails?!


#8

» For what it’s worth - and for our purposes it may not be worth much - I
» went to one of the clinics offering Vavelta. While there, of course I asked
» about TRC.
»
» I think I can spot dodgy docs and this one I believe was straight, able
» and respectable. He gave an open and honest appraisal of Vaveleta and told
» me what he knew about TRC which he would be offering if it worked.
»
» The issue with TRC is variable growth rates to some degree but mainly a
» problem of density. Currently, cosmetically acceptable levels of hair
» density were not being achieved. They were working on it, he said, and “if
» they can can get it to work it should be available in 2 to 5 years.”
»
» He didn’t know about Intercytex not funding research beyond phase 11
» trials or about the search for a partner. Partnering and licensing were
» common in the industry, he said.
»
» The information doesn’t really change much but at least it takes the
» paranoia and guesswork out of it.

To be honest, when I went for Isolagen, I found that the doctor was trying to convince me that there was a discernible difference. I think that most of these doctors are money-orientated and have very little, if anything, in the way of ethics.


#9

I know what you mean. I’ve met docs who will do anything and say anything for a fee. They grotesquely overstated the benefits of the whatever treatment they were offering. The Vavelta doc gave an honest appraisal of Vavelta which is no magic bullet, cure-all wonder treatment.

Doctors are no different to any one else. There will be good, bad and corrupt ones. They have bills and desires like the rest us. The wrong sort gravitate to cosmetic surgery, I’m sure, but not all of them are bad.

I trusted Vavalta doc’s information on TRC which confirmed what we suspected. Although, starting from a position of scepticism is the best way with this industry.


#10

Whats about the “Proto Hair”?
How far away and need it some clinical trails?


#11

I didn’t ask about proto hair. I’m not sure what the regulatory position is. I can’t imagine it would be quick or easy.


#12

»
» What did he say about Valvetta?

He said Vavelta was good for returning skin to youthful thickness, good for fine lines that would later become wrinkles and it would help scarring to some degree. Not good for deep wrinkles or heavy skin laxity.

I got the impression it worked best as a preventative rather than corrective treatment.

In reception, there was a youngish bloke who was delighted with the fine line reduction he had from the treatment but there was also a rather wrinkly older lady who was disappointed the treatment was not suitable for her.


#13

» Thanks for your input.
»
» Can he offer a “honest” photo comparison for Vavelta? Because the photos
» we have seen are a total manipulation.
»
» About TRC, I think there are many severe problems. Not just density.
» Otherwise, they would repeat sessions until desired density is achieved.
» Also, not a single photo of TRC has been published. guess why?
» Can this doctor show us any TRC photo to see the quality of the hairs? Do
» they cycle normally?

Actually, thinking about it, regowth rates and density are the same thing. Low regrowth means low density I suppose.

I didn’t ask to see photos and didn’t ask about cycling.
»
»
»

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#14

» To be honest, when I went for Isolagen, I found that the doctor was trying
» to convince me that there was a discernible difference. I think that most
» of these doctors are money-orientated and have very little, if anything, in
» the way of ethics.

Also, note that doctors are human regardless of their geographical location and as such are subject to the same selfish desires of monetary gain as everyone else.