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» BTW, for those who are arguing about pricing, why not take a look at how
» much their other products are being sold for now?

Because they have no such products :slight_smile:

» » BTW, for those who are arguing about pricing, why not take a look at how
» » much their other products are being sold for now?
»
» Because they have no such products :slight_smile:

oh, sorry then, how come some posters said Valvelta (sp?) goes straight to the market without having to go through phase 3 ?

I totally agree. A required HT lowers demand significantly, and thus lowers the price. And there has been talk that they will require a HT. We won’t know for sure until something is released. But like you, if I am required to get a HT, I’m out.

» You guys are assuming that just because ICX owns the patent when HM comes
» to market, that they can charge whatever they want for it
»
» people are not stupid…if the procedure offers marginal cosmetic
» benefits that have to even be combined with a hair transplant to be
» visually appealing, that would be not that marketable, would you buy it?
»
» that means you must get a hair transplant, many guys would never get a
» hair transplant, myself included, they are notoriously unpredictable, have
» a ton of potential drawbacks and complications, .
»
» I think most guys, well a large percentage, would prefer to avoid ht, what
» if the hair transplant causes shockloss or some reaction with the
» injections, there are a myriad of complications that I do not think many
» have considered.
»
» If the initial HM requires combining it with a hair transplant, Personally
» i think the market potential is extremely limited. Assuming they can charge
» …a …the sky is the limit …price. is unfounded.
»
» imo

I agree. If HM is only an adjunct treatment to HTs, it has limited market potential. As Hangin points out, not many are willing to get a HT (myself included).

Agreed! Intercytex would be really stupid to Require a HT. It should be optional/recommended. I’d never have an HT either.

» » You guys are assuming that just because ICX owns the patent when HM
» comes
» » to market, that they can charge whatever they want for it
» »
» » people are not stupid…if the procedure offers marginal
» cosmetic
» » benefits that have to even be combined with a hair transplant to be
» » visually appealing, that would be not that marketable, would you buy it?
»
» »
» » that means you must get a hair transplant, many guys would never get a
» » hair transplant, myself included, they are notoriously unpredictable,
» have
» » a ton of potential drawbacks and complications, .
» »
» » I think most guys, well a large percentage, would prefer to avoid ht,
» what
» » if the hair transplant causes shockloss or some reaction with the
» » injections, there are a myriad of complications that I do not think
» many
» » have considered.
» »
» » If the initial HM requires combining it with a hair transplant,
» Personally
» » i think the market potential is extremely limited. Assuming they can
» charge
» » …a …the sky is the limit …price. is unfounded.
» »
» » imo
»
» I agree. If HM is only an adjunct treatment to HTs, it has limited market
» potential. As Hangin points out, not many are willing to get a HT (myself
» included).

If you read all the past interviews they all hinted that HM will not be perfect especially in the beginning. I am sure Intercytex will not wait until the protocol is perfect before they introduce it. They will introduce ICX to the public even is marginally effective, this will generate some cash flow for them while they continue to improve the treatment.

ill tell u how much trc will cost

they said 40M people need it and it will bring in $1.5B in the us alone

1.5b divide by 40M = $37500

» ill tell u how much trc will cost
»
» they said 40M people need it and it will bring in $1.5B in the us alone
»
» 1.5b divide by 40M = $37500[’

preposterous to use their figures,thats like saying, I am opening a hot dog stand in the path of 100,000 attendees to this outdoor event, and my survey says, half of those people like hot dogs, that means I will sell 50,.000 hot dogs

nice logic

another thing about the HT scenario, what if guys opted to go for the HT Also, in combination with the injections, and the injections somehow caused the newly transplanted hair to die…Well not sure of the timetable involved but this has not even been tested, combining HT with hair transplants

this hair transplant. hair multiplication…combination…scenario, might be a situation where…the sum of the procedures , is less than either proceduure alone. 1 + 1 does not equal 2, in other words, could be 1 + 1 = 1 or
worse yet…1 + 1 = 0, or -1. you have two basically unpredictable procedures combined. I think most guys would pass on that.

I would think that it is not totally far fetched to consider this scenario. If you have HM, after a transplant , I would think that the results of the HM would be totally different on virgin scalp, as opposed to observing results of HM in scalp that has had thousands of hairs jammed unnaturally jammed into it.

Many things to consider

Lets say you do the HM BEFORE the transplant, it works ok but then they say ok now get a transplant to top off the results, and you go get a transplant, and the shock of thousands of hairs transplanted into the area cause all the HM hairs to fall out. Not far fetched at all

» ill tell u how much trc will cost
»
» they said 40M people need it and it will bring in $1.5B in the us alone
»
» 1.5b divide by 40M = $37500

But is $1.5B per year or over many many years?

» ill tell u how much trc will cost
»
» they said 40M people need it and it will bring in $1.5B in the us alone
»
» 1.5b divide by 40M = $37500

Intercytex press release 2 March 2001 :

“Hair loss affects approximately forty percent of men and twenty percent of women aged fifty and over. In the US alone, an estimated 40 million men and 20 million women suffer from baldness and spend $1.5 billion annually on hair loss therapies.”

This has nothing to do with the cost of ICX-TRC.

» » » BTW, for those who are arguing about pricing, why not take a look at
» how
» » » much their other products are being sold for now?
» »
» » Because they have no such products :slight_smile:
»
» oh, sorry then, how come some posters said Valvelta (sp?) goes straight to
» the market without having to go through phase 3 ?

he’s assuming this is going to happen with velveta (maybe is happening now). They are not selling it yet though or there has not been such an announcement

» » ill tell u how much trc will cost
» »
» » they said 40M people need it and it will bring in $1.5B in the us alone
» »
» » 1.5b divide by 40M = $37500
»
» Intercytex press release 2 March 2001 :
»
» “Hair loss affects approximately forty percent of men and twenty percent
» of women aged fifty and over. In the US alone, an estimated 40 million men
» and 20 million women suffer from baldness and spend $1.5 billion annually
» on hair loss therapies.”
»
» This has nothing to do with the cost of ICX-TRC.

The 40M does not match the percentage either. The numbers look weird. Only 40M?? ugh

300M live in the us, if 120 of them were man, then 40% is 50M.

I do not believe that they spend 1.5 billion either. 37 thousand a year? ugh who spends 3 thousands a month on hair loss??? All right the guy before me did a mistake.

1,500,000,000 / 40,000,000 = 1500/40 = 37.5 dollars. that makes more sense :slight_smile:

» » » » BTW, for those who are arguing about pricing, why not take a look at
» » how
» » » » much their other products are being sold for now?
» » »
» » » Because they have no such products :slight_smile:
» »
» » oh, sorry then, how come some posters said Valvelta (sp?) goes straight
» to
» » the market without having to go through phase 3 ?
»
» he’s assuming this is going to happen with velveta (maybe is happening
» now). They are not selling it yet though or there has not been such an
» announcement

The intercytex website says the following:

“Introduced into the UK in 2007”

“VAVELTA® ,a facial rejuvenation product - in Phase II efficacy trials and available from a number of specialised centres in a clinical setting only”

“As the benefits of VAVELTA® are fully realised from clinical trials, the number of clinicians offering the product will be expanded and commercial sales are planned to start during the first half of 2008.”

and they have alredy made a website for it http://www.vavelta.com/

page rank 2/10 that pretty much says it all about the current state of velveta sales.

» The intercytex website says the following:
»
» “Introduced into the UK in 2007”
»
» “VAVELTA® ,a facial rejuvenation product - in Phase II efficacy trials and
» available from a number of specialised centres in a clinical setting only”
»
» “As the benefits of VAVELTA® are fully realised from clinical trials, the
» number of clinicians offering the product will be expanded and commercial
» sales are planned to start during the first half of 2008.”
»
» and they have alredy made a website for it http://www.vavelta.com/

It doesn’t say how much they are selling Vavelta for. It would be great if we can find out how much they charge for Vavelta, that will give a rough idea what kind of pricing Intercytex will set for ICX.

Even if you knew what Vavelta cost, it doesn’t say anything about what ICX will cost. Apples and oranges. That’s like saying if you found out how much a rake would cost at Home Depot, you would have a good idea how much their lawn mowers cost. They are 2 different products.

» Even if you knew what Vavelta cost, it doesn’t say anything about what ICX
» will cost. Apples and oranges. That’s like saying if you found out how
» much a rake would cost at Home Depot, you would have a good idea how much
» their lawn mowers cost. They are 2 different products.

Of course I realize that but if we know Vavelta is selling for a couple hundred dollars per treatment, then we know Intercytex’s products can be reasonaly priced, that’s some comfort level there.

I really don’t think you can learn anything from Vavelta’s cost. Even if you think it’s “reasonable”. It doesn’t say anything about an entirely different product.

» » Even if you knew what Vavelta cost, it doesn’t say anything about what
» ICX
» » will cost. Apples and oranges. That’s like saying if you found out
» how
» » much a rake would cost at Home Depot, you would have a good idea how
» much
» » their lawn mowers cost. They are 2 different products.
»
» Of course I realize that but if we know Vavelta is selling for a couple
» hundred dollars per treatment, then we know Intercytex’s products can be
» reasonaly priced, that’s some comfort level there.

Vavelta is allogeneic whereas ICX-TRC is autologous. You should expect a big difference in price between the two products.

If you have any chance of affording early HM, then you could certainly afford to just get some FUE work done right now and wait a few years on the HM.

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