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#1

First post. I have questions for the user the natural, if you wouldn’t mind.

I’ve been reading up on your curcumin/resveratrol/toco combo. It seems to be working well for you but do you find this might work on most people.

I’m 25 and haven’t been balding for long. I took propecia for 2 months, got amazing growth, but I noticed my face was looking rather strange and ugly, as well as a few other side effects that go against the idea of maintaining youth, so it’s basically useless.

Anyhoo, I’m wondering if taking this combo could be useless for some individuals. Has it been documented that this works on many people? Blocking DHT definitely works for me but I’m not into doing that anymore. If the 3 combo works as an anti-inflammatory, it should work for most people?

Also, I’m thinking of getting Turmeric force, Jarrow’s resveratrol, and Jarrow’s toco-sorb. If there are any more effective ones, please let me know.

And the dosage would be:

500mg curcumin
100mg resveratrol
60mg tocotrienols

May I have your 2 cents please?

P.S. If the poster known as hangininthere posts in this thread, please ignore him. I will do so myself.

thank you!


#2

» First post. I have questions for the user the natural, if you wouldn’t
» mind.
»
» I’ve been reading up on your curcumin/resveratrol/toco combo. It seems to
» be working well for you but do you find this might work on most people.
»
» I’m 25 and haven’t been balding for long. I took propecia for 2 months,
» got amazing growth, but I noticed my face was looking rather strange and
» ugly, as well as a few other side effects that go against the idea of
» maintaining youth, so it’s basically useless.
»
» Anyhoo, I’m wondering if taking this combo could be useless for some
» individuals. Has it been documented that this works on many people?
» Blocking DHT definitely works for me but I’m not into doing that anymore.
» If the 3 combo works as an anti-inflammatory, it should work for most
» people?
»
» Also, I’m thinking of getting Turmeric force, Jarrow’s resveratrol, and
» Jarrow’s toco-sorb. If there are any more effective ones, please let me
» know.
»
» And the dosage would be:
»
» 500mg curcumin
» 100mg resveratrol
» 60mg tocotrienols
»
» May I have your 2 cents please?
»
» P.S. If the poster known as hangininthere posts in this thread, please
» ignore him. I will do so myself.
»
» thank you!

in case you had not noticed, The Natural and I are not duking it out anymore
that thread below is months old

His endorsement of Apple Cider Vinegar made me smokem peace pipe


#3

:smiley:


#4

» :smiley:

So what do you think?


#5

Hi milleu,

The causes of hair loss are many. The solutions to hair loss are just as many. I, personally, believe, after years of trial and error, researching, and reading other people’s posts that we must focus our attention on lowering blood-glucose levels, cholesterol levels, and chelating heavy metals. These are things that we can safely adjust with herbs. Now, trying to balance one’s hormones and such is also possible, but I think that it’s a much trickier and riskier business.

A basic regimen of curcumin and resveratrol should be helpful to your scalp and hair. Curcumin is used to treat many conditions that we now understand to be related to hair loss, such as: insulin resistance, inflammation, poor circulation, heavy metals. The only problem is that curcumin, by itself, is poorly absorbed in the body. Resveratrol is an herb that works synergistically with curcumin, improving the effect of both.

In addition, I try to take this combination with warm milk, as it is reported to improve curcumin’s absorption.

Look below in my signature, and you will see a link to a study which examined the effect a curcumin/resveratrol supplement had on people suffering from hair loss.

In the hair loss study, “Curcuma rhizome (titrated dried extract) 95%” was used. Subjects took about 80 mg. of this, along with resveratrol, vitamin C, wheat germ (a vitamin E source), and capsicum (cayenne pepper).

Their results were “…while the group treated with resveratrol and curcumin showed with great surprise a reduction, sometimes also relevant, in variable time periods. Moreover, during this testing, the patients treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too.”

I have used Jarrow’s products successfully in the past. This month’s regimen will include:

Jarrow’s Curcumin
Country Life’s Resveratrol plus
Primordial Performance Toco-8
Jarrow’s ToxGuard

Hope this helps!
TN


#6

And milleu, here is a link to the hair loss study: http://tinyurl.com/2gyt8v .


#7

» Hi milleu,
»
» The causes of hair loss are many. The solutions to hair loss are just as
» many. I, personally, believe, after years of trial and error, researching,
» and reading other people’s posts that we must focus our attention on
» lowering blood-glucose levels, cholesterol levels, and chelating heavy
» metals. These are things that we can safely adjust with herbs. Now,
» trying to balance one’s hormones and such is also possible, but I think
» that it’s a much trickier and riskier business.
»
» A basic regimen of curcumin and resveratrol should be helpful to your
» scalp and hair. Curcumin is used to treat many conditions that we now
» understand to be related to hair loss, such as: insulin resistance,
» inflammation, poor circulation, heavy metals. The only problem is that
» curcumin, by itself, is poorly absorbed in the body. Resveratrol is an
» herb that works synergistically with curcumin, improving the effect of
» both.
»
» In addition, I try to take this combination with warm milk, as it
» is reported to improve curcumin’s absorption.
»
» Look below in my signature, and you will see a link to a study which
» examined the effect a curcumin/resveratrol supplement had on people
» suffering from hair loss.
»
» In the hair loss study, “Curcuma rhizome (titrated dried extract) 95%” was
» used. Subjects took about 80 mg. of this, along with resveratrol, vitamin
» C, wheat germ (a vitamin E source), and capsicum (cayenne pepper).
»
» Their results were “…while the group treated with resveratrol and
» curcumin showed with great surprise a reduction, sometimes also relevant,
» in variable time periods. Moreover, during this testing, the patients
» treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive
» improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a
» stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of
» hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too.”
»
» I have used Jarrow’s products successfully in the past. This month’s
» regimen will include:
»
» Jarrow’s Curcumin
» Country Life’s Resveratrol plus
» Primordial Performance Toco-8
» Jarrow’s ToxGuard
»
»
» Hope this helps!
» TN

on the Apple cider Vinegar you drink this? or apply it topically? I am not sure how you take it, I am curious


#8

» And milleu, here is a link to the hair loss study:
» http://tinyurl.com/2gyt8v .

interesting that someone cloaked the url with a tiny url redirect

wonder why.

interesting study


#9

» on the Apple cider Vinegar you drink this? or apply it topically? I am not
» sure how you take it, I am curious

I got a GNC gift certificate for Christmas, and bought their ACV tablets, which I take occasionally in the evening for indigestion. These work very well. I sleep like a baby, after taking this stuff.

:sleeping:


#10

» Hi milleu,
»
» The causes of hair loss are many. The solutions to hair loss are just as
» many. I, personally, believe, after years of trial and error, researching,
» and reading other people’s posts that we must focus our attention on
» lowering blood-glucose levels, cholesterol levels, and chelating heavy
» metals. These are things that we can safely adjust with herbs. Now,
» trying to balance one’s hormones and such is also possible, but I think
» that it’s a much trickier and riskier business.
»
» A basic regimen of curcumin and resveratrol should be helpful to your
» scalp and hair. Curcumin is used to treat many conditions that we now
» understand to be related to hair loss, such as: insulin resistance,
» inflammation, poor circulation, heavy metals. The only problem is that
» curcumin, by itself, is poorly absorbed in the body. Resveratrol is an
» herb that works synergistically with curcumin, improving the effect of
» both.
»
» In addition, I try to take this combination with warm milk, as it
» is reported to improve curcumin’s absorption.
»
» Look below in my signature, and you will see a link to a study which
» examined the effect a curcumin/resveratrol supplement had on people
» suffering from hair loss.
»
» In the hair loss study, “Curcuma rhizome (titrated dried extract) 95%” was
» used. Subjects took about 80 mg. of this, along with resveratrol, vitamin
» C, wheat germ (a vitamin E source), and capsicum (cayenne pepper).
»
» Their results were “…while the group treated with resveratrol and
» curcumin showed with great surprise a reduction, sometimes also relevant,
» in variable time periods. Moreover, during this testing, the patients
» treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive
» improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a
» stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of
» hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too.”
»
» I have used Jarrow’s products successfully in the past. This month’s
» regimen will include:
»
» Jarrow’s Curcumin
» Country Life’s Resveratrol plus
» Primordial Performance Toco-8
» Jarrow’s ToxGuard
»
»
» Hope this helps!
» TN

Yeah, it clears a few things up. thank you.

I’m wondering if this will help the sebum production as well. I have the oiliest skin imaginable, I have a feeling this is a contributing factor to my problem. While on propecia, my skin was very dry, it looked horrible, was getting wrinkles, unhealthy look overall. Now, I touch my forehead, and voila, grease city. I wouldn’t want to be without oily skin anymore. I love it now that I’ve been without it.

I suppose this combo might be good in reducing the follicle killing toxins in your sebum? I mean minus the DHT. Maybe DHT needs something to latch on to it for it to kill your youth.

The whole idea is pretty interesting, to say that your DHT production is still kicking and your not losing hair when you’re genetically predisposed to doing so. This is most definitely a step in the right direction.

Well, I guess I’ll try the stuff out.

thanks for all the help


#11

» Yeah, it clears a few things up. thank you.
»
» I’m wondering if this will help the sebum production as well. I have the
» oiliest skin imaginable, I have a feeling this is a contributing factor to
» my problem. While on propecia, my skin was very dry, it looked horrible,
» was getting wrinkles, unhealthy look overall. Now, I touch my forehead, and
» voila, grease city. I wouldn’t want to be without oily skin anymore. I love
» it now that I’ve been without it.
»
» I suppose this combo might be good in reducing the follicle killing toxins
» in your sebum? I mean minus the DHT. Maybe DHT needs something to latch on
» to it for it to kill your youth.
»
» The whole idea is pretty interesting, to say that your DHT production is
» still kicking and your not losing hair when you’re genetically predisposed
» to doing so. This is most definitely a step in the right direction.
»
» Well, I guess I’ll try the stuff out.
»
» thanks for all the help

milleu,

I was reading that heavy metals may contribute to the over-production of sebum, causing oily skin. So you might consider their chelation as an option (via citrus pectin). Curcumin is also known for its ability to remove heavy metals like copper from the body.

Men need DHT. It is "an important contributor…to characteristics generally attributed to males, including facial and body hair growth, and deepening of the voice. And DHT “may play a crucial role in both sex drive and the development of muscle tissue.” This is why trying to manipulate its production, is seen by some as, “difficult, risky, and/or unsafe.”

Fortunately now, this need not be our primary objective. Here is a short list of factors (in no particular order), that if addressed responsibly, will definitely increase your chances of maintaining and possibly regrowing your hair:

  1. Heavy metal exposure
  2. Blood-glucose levels
  3. Mental integrity (e.g. stress, depression, anxiety)

The best to you,
TN


#12

nt


#13

» » » Yeah, it clears a few things up. thank you.
» » »
» » » I’m wondering if this will help the sebum production as well. I have
» » the
» » » oiliest skin imaginable, I have a feeling this is a contributing
» factor
» » to
» » » my problem. While on propecia, my skin was very dry, it looked
» » horrible,
» » » was getting wrinkles, unhealthy look overall. Now, I touch my
» forehead,
» » and
» » » voila, grease city. I wouldn’t want to be without oily skin anymore.
» I
» » love
» » » it now that I’ve been without it.
» » »
» » » I suppose this combo might be good in reducing the follicle killing
» » toxins
» » » in your sebum? I mean minus the DHT. Maybe DHT needs something to
» latch
» » on
» » » to it for it to kill your youth.
» » »
» » » The whole idea is pretty interesting, to say that your DHT production
» » is
» » » still kicking and your not losing hair when you’re genetically
» » predisposed
» » » to doing so. This is most definitely a step in the right direction.
» » »
» » » Well, I guess I’ll try the stuff out.
» » »
» » » thanks for all the help
» »
» » milleu,
» »
» » I was reading that heavy metals may contribute to the over-production
» of
» » sebum, causing oily skin. So you might consider their chelation as an
» » option (via citrus pectin). Curcumin is also known for its ability to
» » remove heavy metals like copper from the body.
» »
» » Men need DHT. It is "an important contributor…to characteristics
» » generally attributed to males, including facial and body hair growth,
» and
» » deepening of the voice. And DHT “may play a crucial role in both sex
» drive
» » and the development of muscle tissue.” This is why trying to
» manipulate
» » its production, is seen by some as, “difficult, risky, and/or unsafe.”
» »
» » Fortunately now, this need not be our primary objective. Here is a
» short
» » list of factors (in no particular order), that if addressed
» responsibly,
» » will definitely increase your chances of maintaining and possibly
» regrowing
» » your hair:
» »
» » 1. Heavy metal exposure
» » 2. Blood-glucose levels
» » 3. Mental integrity (e.g. stress, depression, anxiety)
» »
» »
» » The best to you,
» » TN
»
» The Natural, dont most “DHT blockers” really not block DHT production
» dont they work by preventing the DHT from binding to the male hormone
» receptors on the base of the hair follicles, as well as the prostate
»
» Saw Palmetto was found not to change levels of male blood hormones,
» specifically DHT, while propecia was found to lower the levels, In my
» opinion this is why prop has many more side effects
»
» Now I know that the guy you mentions thinks saw palmetto is useless, but
» that is beside the point, alot of guys have benefitted from it, and i put
» it in the same category as green tea extract, and a lot of other mild 5 AR
» reducers, or inhibitors

there seems to be a fairly long list of natural “dht blockers” which are basically 5 AR inhibitors

green tea extract
beta sitosterol (active ingredient in Saw Palmetto)
Epilobium
pumpkin seed
pygeum
nettles
saw palmetto
Emu Oil
L Lysine

I am sure I could add about 5 to 10 more with a few minutes on google


#14

Interestingly, the other day, I was reading a forum discussion where some posters were stating that nettles actually increases DHT production. Body builders were using this herb to amass muscle quickly.


#15

» Interestingly, the other day, I was reading a forum discussion where some
» posters were stating that nettles actually increases DHT production.
» Body builders were using this herb to amass muscle quickly.

bodybuilders are trying to increase DHT? interesting

all i know is when i added nettles and pygeum to Saw Palmetto my results only increased

I do think though that , I am still mystified whether DHT blockers, actually decrease dht production, or they just prevent the dht from binding to the male hormone receptors on the base of the hair follicle , the same way they do this with the prostate

I have read that studies showed that propecia decreased blood levels of male hormones and saw palmetto did not,
though saw palmetto is a very weak dht inhibitor


#16

» » Interestingly, the other day, I was reading a forum discussion where
» some
» » posters were stating that nettles actually increases DHT
» production
.
» » Body builders were using this herb to amass muscle quickly.
»
» bodybuilders are trying to increase DHT? interesting
»
» all i know is when i added nettles and pygeum to Saw Palmetto my results
» only increased
»
» I do think though that , I am still mystified whether DHT blockers,
» actually decrease dht production, or they just prevent the dht from binding
» to the male hormone receptors on the base of the hair follicle , the same
» way they do this with the prostate
»
» I have read that studies showed that propecia decreased blood levels of
» male hormones and saw palmetto did not,
» though saw palmetto is a very weak dht inhibitor

Well, if what you say, or think, is true…then natural DHT blockers might stand a chance on my regimen. But I would have to be sure not to run into the same problems as I did while on propecia. This isn’t even a libido issue btw. My libido was always fine, it’s what it does to you mentally. That and the dying, droopy face. I’m still young here. I cannot attribute my facial degradation with age.

But just to clear some worries from users reading this, my face is nice and shiny now. :slight_smile:


#17

So can anybody besides TheNatural attest that this combo works well if at all? I know there are a few more people on here with this in their regimens.

Many documents show inflammation might come hand in hand with MPB, whether visible, irritating or not. But it might not associate with all cases of MPB. Am I right?

I know it can’t hurt to try, in fact I have already ordered. But I would love to hear some testimonials. Would be appreciated.

thank you


#18

» So can anybody besides TheNatural attest that this combo works well if at
» all? I know there are a few more people on here with this in their
» regimens.
»
» Many documents show inflammation might come hand in hand with MPB, whether
» visible, irritating or not. But it might not associate with all cases of
» MPB. Am I right?
»
» I know it can’t hurt to try, in fact I have already ordered. But I would
» love to hear some testimonials. Would be appreciated.
»
» thank you

milleu, there are posters here and at other forums (see, http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/forum.htm) who use curcumin and/or resveratrol in their regimen, especially after reading the hair loss study. But many of these same posters use a lot of other things, so it may difficult for them, in some cases, to assess which herbs are actually working.

I don’t have this problem, however, because I started off with just vitamin E for several months, then added curcumin and resveratrol, and experienced the aforementioned results.

The only other veteran poster here, using curcumin and resveratrol, that I am aware of is “perry:” http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-46583-page-0-category-4-order-last_answer.html

It would be nice if more posters here put their regimen in their signature, then we could see who was using what.


#19

» » So can anybody besides TheNatural attest that this combo works well if
» at
» » all? I know there are a few more people on here with this in their
» » regimens.
» »
» » Many documents show inflammation might come hand in hand with MPB,
» whether
» » visible, irritating or not. But it might not associate with all cases
» of
» » MPB. Am I right?
» »
» » I know it can’t hurt to try, in fact I have already ordered. But I
» would
» » love to hear some testimonials. Would be appreciated.
» »
» » thank you
»
» milleu, there are posters here and at other forums (see,
» http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/forum.htm) who use curcumin and/or
» resveratrol in their regimen, especially after reading the hair loss study.
» But many of these same posters use a lot of other things, so it may
» difficult for them, in some cases, to assess which herbs are actually
» working.
»
» I don’t have this problem, however, because I started off with just
» vitamin E for several months, then added curcumin and resveratrol, and
» experienced the aforementioned results.
»
» The only other veteran poster here, using curcumin and resveratrol, that I
» am aware of is “perry:”
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-46583-page-0-category-4-order-last_answer.html
»
» It would be nice if more posters here put their regimen in their
» signature, then we could see who was using what.

Hey The Natural,

I just wanted to chime in here on the resveratrol. I was using it for about 30 days before I found out about the connection to hair loss. Like a lot of people I’m on a bunch of junk so I cannot prove that it is helping with the hair but I do believe that it does help with the skin and energy. For instance, I am a runner and at 41 years old I have gained over 1 minute to my 5K times and I think that is due to the benefits of resveratrol.

My hair seems to be doing better but who knows from what.

I would like you to quickly explain how you are taking the green tea extract and what is the citrus pectin all about?

Also, I just got on rogiane because people wondered why I wasn’t. What can I add to it to make it work better?

thanks,

HH


#20

» Hey The Natural,
»
» I just wanted to chime in here on the resveratrol. I was using it for
» about 30 days before I found out about the connection to hair loss. Like a
» lot of people I’m on a bunch of junk so I cannot prove that it is helping
» with the hair but I do believe that it does help with the skin and energy.
» For instance, I am a runner and at 41 years old I have gained over 1 minute
» to my 5K times and I think that is due to the benefits of resveratrol.
»
» My hair seems to be doing better but who knows from what.
»
»
» I would like you to quickly explain how you are taking the green tea
» extract and what is the citrus pectin all about?
»
» Also, I just got on rogiane because people wondered why I wasn’t. What can
» I add to it to make it work better?
»
» thanks,
»
» HH

Hi hopefullhair,

Based on some of iHerb’s product reviews, there were several people who reported their hair “growing back” and “growing faster,” while taking resveratrol.

Conversely, there was one of the control groups in the curcumin-resveratrol hair loss study that only took resveratrol, but did not experience any results.

My unprofessional opinion would be that the curcumin is also contributing to resveratrol’s effect on your skin and energy levels.

Your question has reminded me that I should probably take the word “extract” out of my signature, since I drink many cups of green tea daily, but now only take LEF’s green tea extract about once every two weeks or so.

I am taking citrus pectin to remove, “chelate,” heavy metals from my body. Here are a some previous posts which contain more information about this product:

  1. http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-50599-page-0-category-4-order-last_answer.html

  2. http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-50507-page-0-category-4-order-last_answer.html

As for the Rogaine, sorry, but I have no idea what to add to it; though I am sure there are some here who would encourage you to find something more natural to apply to your scalp :wink: .

The best to you,
TN