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#1

Hi guys
As a long term poster on here who hasn’t been around for a while I’m just after a little advice.

Basically, the wife and I are going to be starting a family soon and I want to kick Dutasteride a few months prior to trying. I know they say there is no risk whatsoever to the foetus, but this is the same ‘they’ who would love to force an embargo on the manufacture of all generics and watch millions who can’t afford branded drugs die of AIDS. I basically want to be completely clean over this period, but I don’t want to lose the ground I have made on Dut which hand-on-heart I believe has been fantastic.

In terms of hairloss, I first noticed I was going bald in 1999 (I was 20 at the time). I did nothing but panic for a little while, and then tried minox. It didn’t really work too well. I then incrementally tried Finasteride, which worked better the more of it I took. And then I moved onto Dut which I believe has halted my hairloss at the NW1.5-2 stage ever since. I’ve been on it since its release in early 2003, at an average dose of 3 pills per week, and aside from a bit of mental fogginess in the early days the drug has treated me very well.

It has been easy to chart my progress. I am the third of 4 brothers, and the only one who is the good side of a NW4. I know they say it isn’t always genetic, but the coincidence is enough for me not to believe this. People are amazed when they see me with my brothers, and always ask how I managed to avoid the curse!

Basically, I want to switch from alpha blockers to a natural remedy. I have read a lot of good things about Hogan’s regimen, and wondered if GLA + EPA is the way to go. For me it looks as if DHT inhibition was the key though, although I’ve read some horror stories about Saw P.

I’m thinking of taking borage and fish oil, although I’m unsure of the doseage to try. Can anyone give me any advice as to whether or not this will work, or any other ideas?

Cheers guys

KD


#2

sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,

But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed

If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very powerful

but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals, the ones who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by Country Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit

either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont, but if you do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at least that has worked for me

in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling out 300 hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw Palmetto and gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within 2 weeks, Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even before 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are very thick now, the tops is no longer see through.


#3

If blocking DHT is the route that you decide to take, then I would check the prostate herbal formulas on the Internet or at your health food store.

I, personally, would avoid Beta Sitosterol, as posters here and at other forums have reported bad sides with its continued use.


#4

The information that Hogan contributed to this board concerning the causes of inflammation is essential reading. It can be found in his earlier posts.


#5

» If blocking DHT is the route that you decide to take, then I would check
» the prostate herbal formulas on the Internet or at your health food store.
»
»
» I, personally, would avoid Beta Sitosterol, as posters here and at other
» forums have reported bad sides with its continued use.

i noticed no side effects with beta sis, did you ever try it? if not, then why would you comment on it


#6

» The information that Hogan contributed to this board concerning the causes
» of inflammation is essential reading. It can be found in his earlier
» posts.

if hogan is so knowledgable where is he>"


#7

» Hi guys
» As a long term poster on here who hasn’t been around for a while I’m just
» after a little advice.
»
» Basically, the wife and I are going to be starting a family soon and I
» want to kick Dutasteride a few months prior to trying. I know they say
» there is no risk whatsoever to the foetus, but this is the same ‘they’ who
» would love to force an embargo on the manufacture of all generics and watch
» millions who can’t afford branded drugs die of AIDS. I basically want to be
» completely clean over this period, but I don’t want to lose the ground I
» have made on Dut which hand-on-heart I believe has been fantastic.

Buy some supps that inhibit DHT and find your dosage. Inhibiting Estradiol is important also as any DHT inhibited will be converted into Estradiol.
Beta sis, SP and Pygeum are some of the better ones.
Take them individually to see if what dosage is best for you.
Start at a low dosage and increase and then taper down to a maintenance level.

»
» In terms of hairloss, I first noticed I was going bald in 1999 (I was 20
» at the time). I did nothing but panic for a little while, and then tried
» minox. It didn’t really work too well. I then incrementally tried
» Finasteride, which worked better the more of it I took. And then I moved
» onto Dut which I believe has halted my hairloss at the NW1.5-2 stage ever
» since. I’ve been on it since its release in early 2003, at an average dose
» of 3 pills per week, and aside from a bit of mental fogginess in the early
» days the drug has treated me very well.
»
» It has been easy to chart my progress. I am the third of 4 brothers, and
» the only one who is the good side of a NW4. I know they say it isn’t
» always genetic, but the coincidence is enough for me not to believe this.
» People are amazed when they see me with my brothers, and always ask how I
» managed to avoid the curse!
»
» Basically, I want to switch from alpha blockers to a natural remedy. I
» have read a lot of good things about Hogan’s regimen, and wondered if GLA
» + EPA is the way to go. For me it looks as if DHT inhibition was the key
» though, although I’ve read some horror stories about Saw P.

When you detox on a continual basis you go to the route of inflammation rather than suppressing it!

»
» I’m thinking of taking borage and fish oil, although I’m unsure of the
» doseage to try. Can anyone give me any advice as to whether or not this
» will work, or any other ideas?
»
» Cheers guys
»
» KD

It would more useful to do a series of cleanses aimed at your detox organs. Before adding the nutrients your suggesting.

Regards
Pete


#8

posted by Pete2:

Epilobium will help with both DHT and Etradiol.

posted by Bryan:

Epilobium has NEVER been shown to lower either DHT or estradiol in any living animal, much less humans.


#9

posted by gc1961, 02.02.2008, 01:04

I am with Bryan on this one.


#10

» sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
»
» But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed
»
» If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw
» Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very powerful
»
» but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals, the ones
» who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by Country
» Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
»
» either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont, but if you
» do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at least that
» has worked for me
»
» in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling out 300
» hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw Palmetto and
» gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within 2 weeks,
» Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even before
» 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are very thick
» now, the tops is no longer see through.

Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has helped a lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front complete. Check out my first timing post up top about it.

Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them for inspiration.


#11

» » sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
» »
» » But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed
» »
» » If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw
» » Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very powerful
» »
» » but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals, the ones
» » who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by
» Country
» » Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
» »
» » either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont, but if
» you
» » do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at least
» that
» » has worked for me
» »
» » in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling out
» 300
» » hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw Palmetto
» and
» » gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within 2
» weeks,
» » Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even
» before
» » 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are very
» thick
» » now, the tops is no longer see through.
»
» Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has helped a
» lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front complete.
» Check out my first timing post up top about it.
»
» Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them for
» inspiration.

did u try nizoral cream
that seemed to really give my hair a boost, and I was only on it for about 2 months


#12

» » » sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
» » »
» » » But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed
» » »
» » » If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw
» » » Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very powerful
» » »
» » » but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals, the
» ones
» » » who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by
» » Country
» » » Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
» » »
» » » either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont, but if
» » you
» » » do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at least
» » that
» » » has worked for me
» » »
» » » in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling out
» » 300
» » » hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw Palmetto
» » and
» » » gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within 2
» » weeks,
» » » Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even
» » before
» » » 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are very
» » thick
» » » now, the tops is no longer see through.
» »
» » Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has helped
» a
» » lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front complete.
» » Check out my first timing post up top about it.
» »
» » Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them for
» » inspiration.
»
» did u try nizoral cream
» that seemed to really give my hair a boost, and I was only on it for about
» 2 months

Yes after you tryed it a while back and talked about it I order some and IT DID HELP for sure but nothing seems to make it grow back to the full think size it once was so far. I only did one tube. I will try these 3 I just ordered and post my results.


#13

» » » » sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
» » » »
» » » » But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed
» » » »
» » » » If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw
» » » » Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very powerful
» » » »
» » » » but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals, the
» » ones
» » » » who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by
» » » Country
» » » » Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
» » » »
» » » » either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont, but
» if
» » » you
» » » » do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at
» least
» » » that
» » » » has worked for me
» » » »
» » » » in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling
» out
» » » 300
» » » » hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw
» Palmetto
» » » and
» » » » gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within 2
» » » weeks,
» » » » Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even
» » » before
» » » » 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are
» very
» » » thick
» » » » now, the tops is no longer see through.
» » »
» » » Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has
» helped
» » a
» » » lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front
» complete.
» » » Check out my first timing post up top about it.
» » »
» » » Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them for
» » » inspiration.
» »
» » did u try nizoral cream
» » that seemed to really give my hair a boost, and I was only on it for
» about
» » 2 months
»
»
» Yes after you tryed it a while back and talked about it I order some and
» IT DID HELP for sure but nothing seems to make it grow back to the full
» think size it once was so far. I only did one tube. I will try these 3 I
» just ordered and post my results.

is your hair still thinning in front or is it maintaining


#14

» » » » » sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
» » » » »
» » » » » But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically absorbed
» » » » »
» » » » » If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of Saw
» » » » » Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very
» powerful
» » » » »
» » » » » but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals,
» the
» » » ones
» » » » » who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair by
» » » » Country
» » » » » Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
» » » » »
» » » » » either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont,
» but
» » if
» » » » you
» » » » » do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at
» » least
» » » » that
» » » » » has worked for me
» » » » »
» » » » » in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and falling
» » out
» » » » 300
» » » » » hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw
» » Palmetto
» » » » and
» » » » » gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped within
» 2
» » » » weeks,
» » » » » Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did even
» » » » before
» » » » » 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are
» » very
» » » » thick
» » » » » now, the tops is no longer see through.
» » » »
» » » » Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has
» » helped
» » » a
» » » » lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front
» » complete.
» » » » Check out my first timing post up top about it.
» » » »
» » » » Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them for
» » » » inspiration.
» » »
» » » did u try nizoral cream
» » » that seemed to really give my hair a boost, and I was only on it for
» » about
» » » 2 months
» »
» »
» » Yes after you tryed it a while back and talked about it I order some
» and
» » IT DID HELP for sure but nothing seems to make it grow back to the full
» » think size it once was so far. I only did one tube. I will try these 3
» I
» » just ordered and post my results.
»
» is your hair still thinning in front or is it maintaining

The front is where its thinning at this point. I put extra rogain there but its not doing enough. I hoping the nazial will help there soon. If I could just save what I have it would be such life changing factor for me.


#15

» » » » » » sorry but Hogans regimen does not have many followers,
» » » » » »
» » » » » » But I agree DUT has a reputation for being systemically
» absorbed
» » » » » »
» » » » » » If you are wanting to try natural dht blockers try a combo of
» Saw
» » » » » » Palmetto, Nettles, Pygeum Beta sis, …which is very
» » powerful
» » » » » »
» » » » » » but do not make the mistake of ignoring the vits and minerals,
» » the
» » » » ones
» » » » » » who listen to me and try them, report good results. Maxi hair
» by
» » » » » Country
» » » » » » Life is cheap and effective mega hair vit
» » » » » »
» » » » » » either you will respond to natural dht inhibitors or you wont,
» » but
» » » if
» » » » » you
» » » » » » do, you will benefit by combining about 4 of them together, at
» » » least
» » » » » that
» » » » » » has worked for me
» » » » » »
» » » » » » in 1999 my hair was paper thin on the sides and back, and
» falling
» » » out
» » » » » 300
» » » » » » hairs per day, and my top was see through. I started on Saw
» » » Palmetto
» » » » » and
» » » » » » gradually added other dht blockers and my fallout stopped
» within
» » 2
» » » » » weeks,
» » » » » » Now 9 yrs later my hair looks great, much better than it did
» even
» » » » » before
» » » » » » 1999. No further thinning and balding and my sides and back are
» » » very
» » » » » thick
» » » » » » now, the tops is no longer see through.
» » » » »
» » » » » Wow I have been on your plan of attack for two years and it has
» » » helped
» » » » a
» » » » » lot but I haven’t been able to stop the thinking in the front
» » » complete.
» » » » » Check out my first timing post up top about it.
» » » » »
» » » » » Do you have pictures from 1999 and now? Would love to see them
» for
» » » » » inspiration.
» » » »
» » » » did u try nizoral cream
» » » » that seemed to really give my hair a boost, and I was only on it
» for
» » » about
» » » » 2 months
» » »
» » »
» » » Yes after you tryed it a while back and talked about it I order some
» » and
» » » IT DID HELP for sure but nothing seems to make it grow back to the
» full
» » » think size it once was so far. I only did one tube. I will try these
» 3
» » I
» » » just ordered and post my results.
» »
» » is your hair still thinning in front or is it maintaining
»
»
» The front is where its thinning at this point. I put extra rogain there
» but its not doing enough. I hoping the nazial will help there soon. If I
» could just save what I have it would be such life changing factor for me.

Try adding a Shampoo with Piroctone Olamine for now.

Regards
Pete