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#1

Has anyone ever tried taking viagra to combat the effects of dutasteride? Or do you think that it would even work? :frowning:


#2

» Has anyone ever tried taking viagra to combat the effects of dutasteride?
» Or do you think that it would even work? :frowning:

Dut does 3 things:

  1. Decreases ejaculate.
  2. Decreases desire.
  3. Can decrease performance/erection.

At least it had this effect on me. When bedding a woman while on dut, I would take 2-3,000 milligrams of L-Arginine (nature’s viagra) and solve any potential problems related to number 3. But it wasn’t as fun because desire wasn’t there and I couldn’t really go for another go as avidly because I didn’t have anything to give (almost, so to speak).

For me, the problems that caused me to stop taking Dut orally were “head” effects: headache, brain/memory fog, depression.

I take it topically now and find a good balance between capturing some apparent effectiveness but having much reduced side effects.


#3

» Has anyone ever tried taking viagra to combat the effects of dutasteride?
» Or do you think that it would even work? :frowning:

Dut does 3 things:

  1. Decreases ejaculate.
  2. Decreases desire.
  3. Can decrease performance/erection.

At least it had this effect on me. When bedding a woman while on dut, I would take 2-3,000 milligrams of L-Arginine (nature’s viagra) and solve any potential problems related to number 3. But it wasn’t as fun because desire wasn’t there and I couldn’t really go for another go as avidly because I didn’t have anything to give (almost, so to speak).

For me, the problems that caused me to stop taking Dut orally were “head” effects: headache, brain/memory fog, depression.

I take it topically now and find a good balance between capturing some apparent effectiveness but having much reduced side effects.


#4

We get horny & get erections because of androgen excitement + the penis’s mechanical/blood function. (Even for women the actual horniness is still basically a product of testosterone, not estrogen.)

Fin/Dut are inhibiting the hormonal/androgen excitement. But viagra and the other sexual meds are working on the plumbing half of the action. The drugs might help somewhat better than nothing, but they’re not really treating the same issue.


#5

Let’s say that viagra may potentiate the diminished desire you’ ve got left.
I personally tried arginine (3grams/day) + ornithin (5grams) + lysin for 2 years. It did exactly nothing.


#6

I do use Viagra or Cialis, cheap generics which are about USD 1 or 2 per pill and you only need half a Cialis.
Those drugs work great if you are on DUT, it is really a must to have some pills ready at home in case your libido is MIA.

Sometimes my libido is great and I don’t need the pills, but on DUT libido has its ups and downs so I use it as an insurance. It takes about 20 minutes to start working once you take a pill.

And then you can perform like you were 18 years old…really works great.

Hair is great on DUT and Flutamide, and sex is great on these drugs. Very happy so far.


#7

How long have you been taking these anti ED drugs? And How many half pills a week on average?


#8

» How long have you been taking these anti ED drugs? And How many half pills
» a week on average?

I started ED drugs about 1 year ago. I have been taking DUT for 4 years.
But I dont take ED drugs on a regular basis, only when I need it.

Fortunately I can still wank without the help of ED drugs…:smiley: heheh…but because I use condoms with my GF, it is sometimes hard to keep good erections on DUT, so ED drugs come in handy…just swallow one…do some foreplay or small talk with the lady and 20 minutes later :stuck_out_tongue: boum…youre’ready.

And on these drugs you can last much longer, if you’re the type of guy that experiences some premature ejaculation (like me).

Cialis really does last 36 hours, and half a pill is enough, so if you take it on friday night you are ok until sunday afternoon.

Hopefully in 2 or 3 years some new hairloss drugs will replace the DUT/FLUT combo,. Until then at least my ED drug solution does work, is cheap and has no side effects :slight_smile:


#9

» » How long have you been taking these anti ED drugs? And How many half
» pills
» » a week on average?
»
» I started ED drugs about 1 year ago. I have been taking DUT for 4 years.
» But I dont take ED drugs on a regular basis, only when I need it.
»
» Fortunately I can still wank without the help of ED drugs…:smiley: heheh…but
» because I use condoms with my GF, it is sometimes hard to keep good
» erections on DUT, so ED drugs come in handy…just swallow one…do some
» foreplay or small talk with the lady and 20 minutes later :stuck_out_tongue:
» boum…youre’ready.
»
» And on these drugs you can last much longer, if you’re the type of guy
» that experiences some premature ejaculation (like me).
»
» Cialis really does last 36 hours, and half a pill is enough, so if you
» take it on friday night you are ok until sunday afternoon.
»
» Hopefully in 2 or 3 years some new hairloss drugs will replace the
» DUT/FLUT combo,. Until then at least my ED drug solution does work, is
» cheap and has no side effects :slight_smile:

I’ve been looking to get Cialis but it says it is two tablets at 20mg strength. By two tablets do they mean only two pills or is it more than that? I hope that this will work for me…


#10

» I’ve been looking to get Cialis but it says it is two tablets at 20mg
» strength. By two tablets do they mean only two pills or is it more than
» that? I hope that this will work for me…

The brand cialis (which costs $15 per pill:-( ) has 2 strenghts, 10mg and 20mg. 10mg is strong enough for mild cases of ED due to low DHT. The generics only provide the 20mg type of pill at around $2, so I just cut it in half and wrap the other half in aluminium foil.
Before starting these drugs I would advise you to get a blood pressure test at a clininc, as ED drugs might be dangerous for people with low blood pressure.
I buy those drugs from genericmeds.com.

El Duterino


#11

» Let’s say that viagra may potentiate the diminished desire you’ ve got
» left.
» I personally tried arginine (3grams/day) + ornithin (5grams) + lysin for 2
» years. It did exactly nothing.

Arginine needs to be taken within an hour or two of the act, not everyday. And I’ve heard that Lysine is an antagonist to Arginine, so you may have been canceling these out.

To take Arginine at 8AM and expect results that night would be malaprop. Arginine has never failed me. It actually works on the same general principle that Viagra does.


#12

You take it on an empty stomach? Arginine is said to compete with proteins to get thru the placenta barrier. Most scientists say that Arginine is completely worthless if it’s not taken AT LEAST 3 hours after lunch or dinner…


#13

» You take it on an empty stomach? Arginine is said to compete with proteins
» to get thru the placenta barrier. Most scientists say that Arginine is
» completely worthless if it’s not taken AT LEAST 3 hours after lunch or
» dinner…

brm: sometimes I mega-dose with it at night, but this is on an empty stomach. The purpose of this is to induce a burst of growth hormone which Arginine can do. That may be what you are thinking of when you say to take it on an empty stomach. For this, an empty stomach is indeed required.

As regards its “natural viagra” properties, this is something quite different from using it for growth hormone inducement… Both viagra and Arginine affect the production/use of nitric oxide in the body, specifically in the erection function. Arginine boost nitric oxide in the bloodstream quite rapidly. I can’t find exact stats, but I just read something that says it happens within 10 to 20 minutes. This has happened to me whether not I’ve had an empty stomach. I think it works roughly the same amount of time as viagra – the bump dissipates quickly within a few hours.

Look, I am not selling anything. If you want to use viagra or cialis or whatever and that works better, that’s great. Arginine’s a lot cheaper and for me it works, again as a hedge against deflation. I am not sure I won’t perform, but I want to have a greater confidence that I will.


#14

Well, arginine and GH may be a tale. I remember reading studies that stated that arginine could enhance GH production only with young adults (under 40). Both pre and post workout intakes of arginine failed to show any credible result in terms of IGF1 bloodserum level. And the studies in favor of arginine are some 30 years of age I think…
Well nevermind, I still have someat hand. gonna try again and hope i’ll get little results.
BTW, where do ou buy your arginine batches? In powder form, it’s said to be horrible stuff. Mine is syrupy,in liquid form. Maybe that’s the hitch. And how much do you take? 1, 2, 3 grams?


#15

» Well, arginine and GH may be a tale. I remember reading studies that stated
» that arginine could enhance GH production only with young adults (under
» 40). Both pre and post workout intakes of arginine failed to show any
» credible result in terms of IGF1 bloodserum level. And the studies in
» favor of arginine are some 30 years of age I think…
» Well nevermind, I still have someat hand. gonna try again and hope i’ll
» get little results.
» BTW, where do ou buy your arginine batches? In powder form, it’s said to
» be horrible stuff. Mine is syrupy,in liquid form. Maybe that’s the hitch.
» And how much do you take? 1, 2, 3 grams?

BRM:

Arginine and GH does work better with younger people so the things you are saying make sense; I’ve been told it can work for people up to about 50. I don’t think I ever recall seeing people say that it works to boost IGF before or after workout. What I read is that it enhances the natural release of IGF at night when one sleeps (which is the main release time of IGF). And for this megadosing is required: 10-12g, on an empty stomach, before you go to bed. In powder form, it is indeed horrible. But I get Now L-Arginine in powder form over the internet (www.iherb.com or any other place).

Regarding sexual performance, again, this is a different use of Arginine. I take 2-3,000 mg about 30 minutes before bedding a woman.


#16

» Arginine and GH does work better with younger people so the things you are
» saying make sense; I’ve been told it can work for people up to about 50.

Where did you get those ideas?

» What I read is that it enhances the natural release of IGF
» at night when one sleeps (which is the main release time of IGF).

Yes, and that’s the very reason why I think it’s more effective taken in the MORNING, upon waking up. You don’t want to get all your GH and IGF at one time (like after going to sleep), you want to break it up into multiple occurrences during the day.

I personally had a very dramatic weight-loss response to oral arginine several years ago, and that’s when I was taking it every weekday, first thing after waking up in the morning. I would postpone breakfast for a while, of course.

» And for this megadosing is required: 10-12g, on an empty stomach,
» before you go to bed.

I used only 1 teaspoon of arginine hydrochloride, which was listed on the label as being 3.75 grams of arginine.

» In powder form, it is indeed horrible. But I get Now
» L-Arginine in powder form over the internet (www.iherb.com
» or any other place).

Arginine free-base does indeed taste ghastly, but arginine hydrochloride (like I used) is much more palatable.

.


#17

» Has anyone ever tried taking viagra to combat the effects of dutasteride?
» Or do you think that it would even work? :frowning:

Ask your doctor about that one. When I was on dutasteride I had serious impotence and erectile issues. My doc made me finish up the dutasteride and then gave me a prescription for viagra to see how it worked for me. It does help allot but is only a temp solution.


#18

So, if this is only a temporary solution, what do you do now? Is your sex drive back?


#19

Goingallout- How do you apply DUT topically? I think you mentioned once you only leave it on your hair for a couple of minutes and no more? you shampoo afterwards?

Also, have your side effects decreased now that you’ve been using it for a while?

Thanks!


#20

Can’t you just use the arginine tablets in a typical health food store?

I’ve read the absorption is less effective this way. Probably true, but at the same time I don’t see how it could be THAT much different when a powder substance is inside or outside the walls of a fast-dissolving tablet.