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Should we fund Intercytex?


#1

I know, I know we pretty much hate Intercytex now. But I was just thinking that the biggest problem Intercytex is facing is money! That is probably the reason why they are looking for a partner for phase-III. If Dr. Kemp is willing to assure us that all the money would be redirected to TRC research/trials and that the major contributing members would be given a somewhat priority treatment after it’s launched. We might be able to push Intercytex through phase-III a lot quicker!

This site has thousands of regular visitors, and if we are willing to pay as much as we can comfortably, we can easily raise $1-2 million. Some of us might even be able to get into the much larger phase-III and see how this actually turns out.

Note: I’m not on drugs or alchol, just want to have a reasonable & rational discussion about this!

Also, I know ideas like these have been discussed earlier BUT I am absolutely serious this time. And if people agree, (hairsite) should send an official request and see if Intercytex is interested in this kind of proposal at all. Then we can worry about collecting funds etc.


#2

» I know, I know we pretty much hate Intercytex now. But I was just thinking
» that the biggest problem Intercytex is facing is money! That is probably
» the reason why they are looking for a partner for phase-III. If Dr. Kemp is
» willing to assure us that all the money would be redirected to TRC
» research/trials and that the major contributing members would be given a
» somewhat priority treatment after it’s launched. We might be able to push
» Intercytex through phase-III a lot quicker!
»
» This site has thousands of regular visitors, and if we are willing to pay
» as much as we can comfortably, we can easily raise $1-2 million. Some of us
» might even be able to get into the much larger phase-III and see how this
» actually turns out.
»
» Note: I’m not on drugs or alchol, just want to have a reasonable &
» rational discussion about this!
»
» Also, I know ideas like these have been discussed earlier BUT I am
» absolutely serious this time. And if people agree, (hairsite) should
» send an official request and see if Intercytex is interested in this kind
» of proposal at all. Then we can worry about collecting funds etc.

If their procedure showed more promise I don’t think the money would be a problem. I’ve pretty much given up on them and am banking on follica or aderans coming up with the goods.


#3

» I was just thinking
» that the biggest problem Intercytex is facing is money! That is probably
» the reason why they are looking for a partner for phase-III.

You do know that they were planning on using a partner for phase III before they even started trials right? it’s not something that sudenly happened because they are low on money or the results aren’t that great, even if it is the case now.


#4

» You do know that they were planning on using a partner for phase III
» before they even started trials right? it’s not something that sudenly
» happened because they are low on money or the results aren’t that great,
» even if it is the case now.

I’ve been on this forum since 06, and the first time I heard about partner thing was in March 08 - in intercytex report. They never mentioned it before that, at least I don’t know of any such statement. Send me the link of statement from 06-07 where they mentioned phase-III with a partner?

They only said following about phase-III:

  1. It will probably be a multi-centre trial i.e. in US & UK.
  2. They will attempt full-heads of hair in phase-III.
  3. For market delivery, bosley has priority rights.
  4. Phase-III will probably last 1 year.

#5

» If their procedure showed more promise I don’t think the money would be a
» problem. I’ve pretty much given up on them and am banking on follica or
» aderans coming up with the goods.

Them not publishing their results is Not a good thing BUT that does not mean that all hope is lost just yet. Again, there are a lot of NW5+ (including me) who will even settle for a hairline shadow versus a slick shiny top (Dr. Mercola look).

Also, just looking at the simple probabilities and timelines for other companies they are (or could be) at least 3-4 years away from market. Follica is not saying anything about their procedure, and DIY at this point is bascially russian roulette. ARI, gladly, started phase-II and as much as we wnat them to come to the market soon, there is no way they are coming to the market before mid-2010. Histogen themselves are saying 2015 expected time to market.

The easiest one to get to the market at this point is TRC phase-III - you actually could get into phase-III for a chance at a full head of hair for free. The only problem with TRC is density, trust on me on this again, there are thousands of guys(including me) who are willing to either top up their hair with permanent hairs that they don’t need to worry about again, or have atleast something on their heads(my case). As a starting point, such a procedure would provide Intercytex with a healthy amount of cash and then they can also refine their procedure later.


#6

I think that before thinking about giving them any money they should show us their results.

We just have vague words like “people walking somewhere with more hair”.


#7

» » You do know that they were planning on using a partner for phase III
» » before they even started trials right? it’s not something that sudenly
» » happened because they are low on money or the results aren’t that
» great,
» » even if it is the case now.
»
» I’ve been on this forum since 06, and the first time I heard about partner
» thing was in March 08 - in intercytex report. They never mentioned it
» before that, at least I don’t know of any such statement. Send me the link
» of statement from 06-07 where they mentioned phase-III with a partner?
»
» They only said following about phase-III:
»
» 1) It will probably be a multi-centre trial i.e. in US & UK.
» 2) They will attempt full-heads of hair in phase-III.
» 3) For market delivery, bosley has priority rights.
» 4) Phase-III will probably last 1 year.

I know the 08 report you are talking about, but there are one or two older reports from ICX that definately mention it.
I don’t have them saved any more but if I find them again I will post it (it was a coulple of years old I think so may not be around anymore).

They explained how they are going to seek a financial partner for phase III AND for commercialization. With bosley having the first option (it specifically said for phase III and for commercialization, probably so they could get a foot in the US and leave farjo in the UK as they were talking about doing phase III in the US aswell).
This was also when they were saying there was potential for commercialization at phase III though, they suggested they would benefit from the expertize of an organization in the HT/hair loss industry, so ICX could continue research/other projects or act as sort of a TRC processing lab while bosley or another partenr would actually do most of the marketing and sales.
they also explained ICX expectations for TRC, that it will be at best a filler for ht and anything else (e.g a full head of hair) is not expected at all but would be a bonus.
they also explained that the target market for TRC would be young people in the early stages of baldness or those going for a HT, which would explain them wanting a partner in the HT industry.
The main article i’m thinking of looked like a business plan that they would give to investors I think, but it has to be about 2-3 years old now im sure. Things could have, or most probably have completely changed, As there is no more comercialization with phase III now etc and as you said they are now atempting to give a full head of hair in phase III? I’m pretty sure they have mentioned being in some sort of financial difficulty since aswell.

Does any body remeber the photographs from phase I? I know it was only a safety trial and low dosages etc but if we can only ecpect slightly better results then it’s not looking good at all for trc.


#8

» This site has thousands of regular visitors, and if we are willing to pay
» as much as we can comfortably, we can easily raise $1-2 million.

I don’t think that is very realistic. It would require 1000 members giving 1000 dollars each to get just one million. Think about it. It is going to be a struggle even getting TEN people to donate $1000.

Apart from that, I think people are (rightfully) going to be very reluctant to give money to a company that has yet to show their results in a reasonable way. I have no doubt they are a serious company. But that does not guarantee they’ll be successful.

/p


#9

I think they always intended to partner after phase 2. Look at this from their 2005/2006 file on their website -

“Intercytex’s strategy is to complete product development and to gain marketing authorisation in North America and Europe. A small sales operation will be established to serve specialist segments but the Directors anticipate that the products developed by the Group will require significant investment in marketing and distribution in order to maximise returns. For this reason, the Group’s strategy is to seek distribution partners as the products near regulatory approval. Manufacturing will be retained in-house for in-market supply”

Now read this part because it says that bosley must sell TRC to public within 6 months of phase 2 ending. Phase is nearly finished so it means TRC could be sold by bosley to the public in 2009.

“Intercytex intends to seek marketing/distribution partners for the male and female versions of ICXTRC. In 2004 an option was granted to Bosley giving it the first right to negotiate a distribution agreement for male ICX-TRC in return for certain payments linked to milestones. The option must be exercised within 6 months of completion of the Phase II trial. If Bosley and the Company have not entered into a distribution agreement by the end of the option period the Company may seek other distributors subject to certain rights of Bosley to match third party offers”


#10

isnt in here a millionaire? :stuck_out_tongue:

what i like at the idea is, that you would get somehow control over intercytex to a little part. i think if everyone in here would give all his money we could buy intercytex completley :smiley: . then we would tell them to show us pics and f***ing go on with phase III…:stuck_out_tongue:


#11

OMG.

I knew that this forum was full of retards these days, but this is just too much.

» Note: I’m not on drugs or alchol

Of course not. You were born this way.


#12

» OMG.
»
» I knew that this forum was full of retards these days, but this is just
» too much.
»
»
» » Note: I’m not on drugs or alchol
»
»
» Of course not. You were born this way.

P!ss Off!


#13

“I don’t think that is very realistic. It would require 1000 members giving 1000 dollars each to get just one million. Think about it. It is going to be a struggle even getting TEN people to donate $1000” .

I think if they can prove that this stuff works or at least adds some density
I think it be easy to get 1000 members to even donate 5k !!!
That’s 50k without even advertising /

The problem we have is Hairsite doesn’t act . We could put so much heat on them it’s not funny .
The britsh Government invested in this company using tax payers dollars
What are they doing with the cash ??? ?


#14

Intercytex is a public company, if you want to fund them all you have to do is to buy some of their stock.


#15

» “I don’t think that is very realistic. It would require 1000 members giving
» 1000 dollars each to get just one million. Think about it. It is going to
» be a struggle even getting TEN people to donate $1000” .
»
» I think if they can prove that this stuff works or at least adds some
» density

The point is that they HAVEN’T proved anything of value yet to the public. Therefore it’s going to be very difficult to get people to spend money on them in the suggested fashion.

In my experience, even if they indeed had proven that they could add some density, lets say cosmetically comparable to minoxidil or ketoconazole, it would still be difficult to get 10 people to cough up 1000 bucks on an internet forum. That is just the way life is, IMHO. The most likely outcome of this thread is that no money will be raised. I would love for you to prove me wrong, though. :slight_smile:

However, even in the highly unlikely, probably legendary event that hairsite members would raise a million (non imaginary) bucks, the process thereafter requires a whole lot. Is anyone here even remotely aware what managing a fund entails? The legal aspects? The tax aspects? The business aspects? The practical aspects? Buying a lot of stock in the company would ensure some degree of “power” over the comanpany. But seriously, I doubt anyone here has the knowhow to make use of that power. And the details of the clinical trial process are beyond most of us. It is quite possible that they can’t divulge detailed information about the results to avoid bias and distortion in the following trials.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be rude or anything! I’m just expressing my view.

» I think it be easy to get 1000 members to even donate 5k !!!
» That’s 50k without even advertising

Please redo the math. :smiley:

» The problem we have is Hairsite doesn’t act . We could put so much heat
» on them it’s not funny .

In my opinion it doesn’t work like that.

» The britsh Government invested in this company using tax payers dollars
» What are they doing with the cash ??? ?

Research, I would imagine. :stuck_out_tongue:

The bottom line is that in my opinion the prospect of raising money here for that purpose is unrealistic for so many reasons I can hardly begin to enumerate them. But that’s just my opinion, and opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.


#16

» Intercytex is a public company, if you want to fund them all you have to do
» is to buy some of their stock.

Of course. But the guy who opened this thread doesn’t seem to realize and he prefers to go the “exotic way”.


#17

» » Intercytex is a public company, if you want to fund them all you have to
» do
» » is to buy some of their stock.
»
» Of course. But the guy who opened this thread doesn’t seem to realize and
» he prefers to go the “exotic way”.

I know it’s a public company, search my posts because I have mentioned their ever-dropping share prices several times. Of course, we would buy their stock! What I meant by raising money was that if Intercytex is willing to provide us some info, we’d be willing to pay (in this case buying stock). I never suggested opening up a bank account where we collect donations etc.


#18

» I know it’s a public company, search my posts because I have mentioned
» their ever-dropping share prices several times. Of course, we would buy
» their stock! What I meant by raising money was that if Intercytex is
» willing to provide us some info, we’d be willing to pay (in this case
» buying stock). I never suggested opening up a bank account where we collect
» donations etc.

Intercytex is not willing to provide info.
Thus, we can infere two alternatives:

  1. EITHER they are plenty of money, and so, they don’t need to convince any people to buy any stocks.
  2. OR The info sucks, and that is why they are not providing it.

I would bet its the second one.


#19

One of the most ridiculous yet funniest threads i’ve read in a long time

thanks for the post :smiley:


#20

Intercytex has investors and has already received £1.85M from the government. They look like a well run prudent company who will only spend if need be.

I can remember when the government grant was awarded to intercytex there was outcry in the press from people who worked in the NHS saying y money is being spent on something which is not life threatening. It gets me so angry when people say such things. The british government spends £2000 on a single set of braces to straighten the teeth of children. Now is having bent teeth life threatening ?? The simple answer is NO.