Recoverup

[Shooter]

Hi, Hamish. Thanks for coming to address these issues.

Unfortunately, none of the photos your company has provided are adequate. High-definition macrophotography is the only way to accurately portray hair re-growth. These types of pictures would be available if clinical trials or controlled studies were carried out.

The science behind Recoverup suggests that by merely injecting random stem cells into the scalp, our hair follicles respond as if they had been given specific signals from organic fibroblasts and keratinocytes. That kind of automatic and targeted differentiation, requiring no cell cultures or growth factors, is impossible.

Your product does not work as described because it cannot. You are taking advantage of a condition for which there is no cure, and justifying your outrageous claims with junk science. You should be glad that the pertinent American and European authorities haven’t evaluated your product, they would rightfully put you out of business.

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

8000 up to 13000 Dollars for this 40% to none 5 years maximum treatment?

Sorry even i have to say that it would be much cheaper to get a hair transplant.

I mean you said yourself that the whole thing is actually really cheap to produce so then i dont understand this price.

Lets say it can keep your hair for 3 years which means in 2010 till 2013 you paid 10.000 dollar

2013 till 2016 again, this makes around 20.000 dollar.

Lets assume for one secon Gho as an example.

You pay 15.000 dollar for this time span and ypu have permanent hair.

Lets give you another example. Histogen works, it costs lets assume 5000 dollar. The hair is permanent. So then you can just use a good FUE for your fronta area for lets say 8000 dollars.

1. Your treatment 20.000 dollar in 6 years with no permanent hair and open end payment

2. Gho 15.000 dollar and permanent hair till you die

3. Histogen and FUE 13.000 dollar with permanent hair till you die.

Well it doesnt look good for the Adipose Guys.

And to make it more clear, you are not cultivating i bet you are putting in growth factors or anything else.

I would have believed you guys, but your greed was your mistake, cause nobody who has actually something good in the pipeline would sell something for that dramatic price at first.

And your pictures…well a little less copyright letters all over this and more serious pics

[Spanish_Dude]

Sorry, your newer photos show absolutely nothing interesting.

Case 1: Hair is cut longer in the after photo, so comparison is not fair.
Case2: hair is dyed darker in the after photo, and in any case, no improvement can be seen.
Case 3: could be some improvement, who knows, the hair is probably longer in the after photo and the combing is better in the after photo.

If you really want to present proof, you will have to treat a patient who cuts his hair very short (under 5mm long), so that individual hairs can be seen. Like Histogen does. Also, before and after photos should have the same haircut length.

Well, if you had a case of super-improvement, then it wouldn’t be necessary to be so careful. But after seeing these photos, I doubt that you have such patients.

Do you have high resolution photos of 3rd case (hairline area)?

» Hi there!
»
» I’m the marketing manager at Recoverup, and I was sent here by a customer
» who emailed us and suggested I join this forum to get the word out.
»
» It seems there’s some concern about our company’s ability to communicate/
» market ourselves properly. And to be honest, I think we’ve made some
» mistakes in our launch.
»
» A key complaint I’ve seen on this forum about our company is that we
» showed pictures that were damp in the before and dry in the after. This
» was because the patient’s scalps were dampened before stem cell injection.
» The Dr. chose those pictures because he felt it showed the follicle density
» clearly. However, SpanishDude pointed out to us that this was misleading,
» and we stopped using those pictures immediately, and found before pictures
» of the relevant clients that were dry. These are the same people, just a
» different selection of pictures. I enclose them here.
»
»
»

»
»
» However, I can say the treatment really works. It’s ethical, safe and
» effective. (We only use stem cells taken from your own body - no embryo’s
» or animal stem cells used).
»
» It’s not a “miracle grow” - but it does help significantly with thinning
» or patchy hair. Dr. Pan, whom I’m posting this on behalf of, has empirical
» data showing at least 40% improvement in treated areas. That said, if you
» are completely bald in a particular area, a hair transplant may still be
» your best option.
»
» Have a good day!
»
» Hamish Stewart
»
»
» » Thanks tricky.
» » It seems that they are not even able to do the crudest form of
» » photographic manipulation.
» » are they operating in the UK??
» » isn’t there any way to have the authorities to chase them down?
» »
» » I am amazed at this situation. We are not talking about thirld world
» » countries. We have charlatans in USA, UK, Holland, claiming all kind of
» » miracles without decent proof, and they are SELLING these procedures,
» and
» » the authorities do nothing. Maybe they are too busy being bribed by the
» big
» » pharma companies.
» » This is a circus, a joke. Our health and legal system is a disaster.
» »
» »
» » » Well, it has taken me over a month of badgering, asking, pleading and
» » » practically begging the rep at Recoverup to send me something,
» ANYTHING
» » to
» » » prove this amazing technique. Email after email of dodging sending
» » those
» » » pictures, I finally sent an email questioning the moral compass of
» the
» » » company for not having any pictures available at the drop of a hat if
» » this
» » » product was so amazing… Low and behold, the next day, the guy sent
» me
» » the
» » » following:
» » »
» » »
» » »

» » »

» » »
» » » I hope these images appear… After receiving them, I wrote the rep a
» » » scathing email chastising him for the bs pictures. Wet hair before,
» » dry
» » » hair after. More importantly, the fact that these pictures show ZERO
» » » improvement. I’m surprised he wrote me back after the rampage I went
» » on…
» » » He said nothing of relevence. I am done chasing this garbage down…

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

Ahh SD your typical bla bla bla bla things with no informations, do you copy and paste all your rant texts? Cause they read all the same.

You are just like a little dog who wants no begs for attention cause its strange when you always post after me.

I think my thoughs are more important then your crazy over 10 years blank hairloss thoughts…

You and your standard bullcrap. But what frustrates me the most " When you say Histogen" i get totaly agressive cause its a shame that such an psycho like you is actually allowed to sah Histogen.

And now go and bash gail from histogen

[FatalEvolution]

» Dr. Pan, whom I’m posting this on behalf of, has empirical
» data showing at least 40% improvement in treated areas.

Then ask him to show us empirical results. We’ll buy the thing if you can show it works, plain simple.

[Truthtales]

I know a guy that did what sounds like the same treatment, stem cells from body fat it cost him a third of the above mentioned amount and it did absolutely nothing to him. He went back to complain and get a refund and the doc told me he would do it again free of charge but that was it basically.

He didnt do it cause he didnt have any faith in it anymore and he didnt want to go through liposuction again. Basically it was money down the drain

[Spanish_Dude]

» I know a guy that did what sounds like the same treatment, stem cells from
» body fat it cost him a third of the above mentioned amount and it did
» absolutely nothing to him. He went back to complain and get a refund and
» the doc told me he would do it again free of charge but that was it
» basically.
»
» He didnt do it cause he didnt have any faith in it anymore and he didnt
» want to go through liposuction again. Basically it was money down the drain

I think we should build a Honor Code for hair treatments, such that: No results, automatically qualifies for Money back, and the patient will decide if he wants to invest the money in a “second try”.
And every doc who didn’t accept this Honor Code would be badmouthed in the forums.
This way, charlatans would think twice before setting up their busineses.

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

Ahhh SpanioshDude and his nazi manners.

Jawohl mein Herr everybody will be ze scumbag of ze reich

You know what those guys give a sh*t if they are bad mouthed in this forum, they dont care. Really they dont care.

Oh my gosh, hairloss creates morons i think, and you are the chest burster (its from the movie alien) of hairloss crap.

Seriously get a job and dont post here so often, man even i had to work and cannot post that often anymore.

But you are constantly here, you are the prime example of someone who has not used his short life. The best thing you could do right now is

Buy a large amount of Tranquilizers and use them as long as you can, after some years you can finally sleep forever how about it.

BUT WAIT there is one thing i dont understand, why do you have hairloss? Even MPB has its pride

[rev]

please stop this

» Ahh SD your typical bla bla bla bla things with no informations, do you
» copy and paste all your rant texts? Cause they read all the same.
»
» You are just like a little dog who wants no begs for attention cause its
» strange when you always post after me.
»
» I think my thoughs are more important then your crazy over 10 years blank
» hairloss thoughts…
»
» You and your standard bullcrap. But what frustrates me the most " When you
» say Histogen" i get totaly agressive cause its a shame that such an psycho
» like you is actually allowed to sah Histogen.
»
» And now go and bash gail from histogen

[Spanish_Dude]

ahaha chest burster lol

» Ahhh SpanioshDude and his nazi manners.
»
» Jawohl mein Herr everybody will be ze scumbag of ze reich
»
» You know what those guys give a sh*t if they are bad mouthed in this
» forum, they dont care. Really they dont care.
»
» Oh my gosh, hairloss creates morons i think, and you are the chest burster
» (its from the movie alien) of hairloss crap.
»
» Seriously get a job and dont post here so often, man even i had to work
» and cannot post that often anymore.
»
» But you are constantly here, you are the prime example of someone who has
» not used his short life. The best thing you could do right now is
»
» Buy a large amount of Tranquilizers and use them as long as you can, after
» some years you can finally sleep forever how about it.
»
» BUT WAIT there is one thing i dont understand, why do you have hairloss?
» Even MPB has its pride

[HamishStewart]

» » Dr. Pan, whom I’m posting this on behalf of, has empirical
» » data showing at least 40% improvement in treated areas.
»
» Then ask him to show us empirical results. We’ll buy the thing if you can
» show it works, plain simple.

Absolutely. I have raised your question internally and have been pushing the key Doctor who originated the procedure to complete a peer review and publish our results. We are currently evaluating the right peers to do this.

Over the past few months, we’ve had over a dozen different doctors, in Italy, Germany, UK, Japan, US, etc. all wanting to know (i) what our process is, (ii) what equipment we use, (iii) the way we process and inject the stem cells. Etc.

Whilst of course we would like to share information as much as possible, there is also a business interest involved here; We can’t patent the process and even if we could, we would need a huge legal team to defend it. Hence, if we release all our findings without some form of protection, our company, and the key Dr. would have no way to recoup our several years of R&D investment (which by the way required several hundreds of thousands of pounds that we still need to recoup).

In the meantime, if you are serious about autologous stem cell treatments (which is what we specialise in), a quick google will show that these types of treatments are rocking the medical establishment. From Parkinsons, Heart and Liver Disease to Multiple Sclerosis, autologous stem cell treatments are paving the way.

This is what we’ve done for hair regeneration; apply the autologous stem cell approach.

[HamishStewart]

» 8000 up to 13000 Dollars for this 40% to none 5 years maximum treatment?
»
» Sorry even i have to say that it would be much cheaper to get a hair
» transplant.
»
» I mean you said yourself that the whole thing is actually really cheap to
» produce so then i dont understand this price.
»
» Lets say it can keep your hair for 3 years which means in 2010 till 2013
» you paid 10.000 dollar
»
» 2013 till 2016 again, this makes around 20.000 dollar.
»
» Lets assume for one secon Gho as an example.
»
» You pay 15.000 dollar for this time span and ypu have permanent hair.
»
» Lets give you another example. Histogen works, it costs lets assume 5000
» dollar. The hair is permanent. So then you can just use a good FUE for your
» fronta area for lets say 8000 dollars.
»
» 1) Your treatment 20.000 dollar in 6 years with no permanent hair and open
» end payment
»
» 2) Gho 15.000 dollar and permanent hair till you die
»
» 3) Histogen and FUE 13.000 dollar with permanent hair till you die.
»
» Well it doesnt look good for the Adipose Guys.
»
» And to make it more clear, you are not cultivating i bet you are putting
» in growth factors or anything else.
»
» I would have believed you guys, but your greed was your mistake, cause
» nobody who has actually something good in the pipeline would sell something
» for that dramatic price at first.
»
» And your pictures…well a little less copyright letters all over this
» and more serious pics

I appreciate your point of view, however, without intending any disrespect to Gho or Histogen, I think there is no doctor or treatment that can guarantee your hair will never fall out after a treatment. In the same way if you have any medical procedure, no Dr. will guarantee a full 100% recovery. In todays day and age, we can’t even cure the common cold!

I would defend our pricing. Our treatment works out on average 9-10,000 USD for a typical patient. About the same price as going to Thailand for a transplant operation.

Have a good day!

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

Naaaaa i wont buy it sorry.

For 40% well thats nothing even hair transplants can get you much more then 40% and also if you have to repeat your procedure everytime for that amount well to me it seems that your treatment is actually

Worthless in the long term

[HamishStewart]

» Hi, Hamish. Thanks for coming to address these issues.
»
» Unfortunately, none of the photos your company has provided are adequate.
» High-definition macrophotography is the only way to accurately portray hair
» re-growth. These types of pictures would be available if clinical trials or
» controlled studies were carried out.
»
» The science behind Recoverup suggests that by merely injecting random stem
» cells into the scalp, our hair follicles respond as if they had been given
» specific signals from organic fibroblasts and keratinocytes. That kind of
» automatic and targeted differentiation, requiring no cell cultures or
» growth factors, is impossible.
»
» Your product does not work as described because it cannot. You are taking
» advantage of a condition for which there is no cure, and justifying your
» outrageous claims with junk science. You should be glad that the pertinent
» American and European authorities haven’t evaluated your product, they
» would rightfully put you out of business.

Thanks Shooter for your comments. I do believe all customer feedback is equally important. However, the science behind our treatment is not exactly as you described. Growth factors are used and differentiation does occur. And we would love to have the UK authorities evaluate our product, unfortunately the law in UK is a little behind the times.

For example, in the UK ‘therapeutic cloning’ is legal - where a human (embryo) is cloned and then used for it’s body parts, but ‘autologous cell therapy’ is not legal - which is what we provide, and involves taking cells from your own body and used in your own body’s treatment.

You can see from the above example that the laws regarding stem cells are a bit out of date … this is why we operate clinically from Taiwan.

The reason I work at this company is because I have seen patients get better, whether it’s Parkinson’s, heart disease, cosmetic enhancements, hair restoration, etc. I wouldn’t be working here if I didn’t believe in what we offer.

Possibly a stem cell treatment is not what’s best for you at this time. But we have a growing number of people who contact us every day for this treatment. I hope one day we can convince you to try it as well!

[hairman2]

» Naaaaa i wont buy it sorry.
»
» For 40% well thats nothing even hair transplants can get you much more
» then 40% and also if you have to repeat your procedure everytime for that
» amount well to me it seems that your treatment is actually
»
» Worthless in the long term

can we please at least thread company officials with the respect they are due? The behavior, which you are displaying here (bashing spanish dude etc) is generating a threshold for other companies to send officials to such forums, as they are in no need to be confronted with such vile contemptuous nonsense.

[HamishStewart]

» Naaaaa i wont buy it sorry.
»
» For 40% well thats nothing even hair transplants can get you much more
» then 40% and also if you have to repeat your procedure everytime for that
» amount well to me it seems that your treatment is actually
»
» Worthless in the long term

Sorry I should have made it clearer. We state at least 40% improvement. With some patients there is considerably more. We have to phrase it that way to offer a minimum value that applies to the general public.

If you have early to mid hair loss, in a particular area, and have what could be termed, ‘thinning’ or ‘patchy’ hair, the treatment offers excellent results. If you’ve been without hair in a particular area for a longer period of time (and without any hair whatsoever in that area), then the treatment has less impressive results.

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

hairman : ITS MY Opinion and as i stated Worthles in a long run, dont you know what LONG run means?

BTW Spanish Dude is a effin Nazi just look at his signature. Dont play the voice of reason here cause nobody cares.

Such vile contemptuous nonsense? Well should we all shut out traps just to keep companies happy?

I stick with it, this recoverup thing is NOT Valuable for a long run, you have to get this procedure done over and over and over again.

Companys just to inform you give a rats as* about forums and NO even if you try to play the nice one here, Recoverup wont give you a bargain on this treatment sorry but nice try

And if officials went here, they have to accept the fact that there are other opinions, end of story.

But hey tell a diffuse thinning mid 20 that he can have his hair back for only 10.000 dollars every three years for the rest of his life, but he has to use propecia also and Minox and other stuff.

I would say Well done Sherlock, you totally missed the point here. Instead of me you should question why Recoverup didnt want to send fotos to one user here the first place.

And btw all those fotos have this banner type writing all over it and this alters your viewing experience BTW.

Dont ever talk to me again, you got that PAL.

Lets say your 25 and until your 40th birthday you had to pay more then 150.000 Dollars are you shi**ing me?

AND MOST IMPORTANT#

Did i got an answer to this Long term thing? Nope nothing from the “Officials” until they didnt figure out to make this treatment at least a two step thing with permanent results, it is a price worthless treatment end of story

[deth82]

Yeah but what if u only have to do it once???
My idea is: IF it really works (BIG IF), why not doing it and use the 3 years to wait for ARI and Histogen much more relaxed…

I guess every single hair we “save” till Ari and histogen enter the market will be really iimportant to help us getting our full hair back much faster.

If it really works, i wont be able to pay 10k every 3 years, BUT i believe there will be something huge the next years so this 10k wont be a “Fix-ALL-Procedure”, more a “use-ur-time-procedure”. 10k that will keep my status till the permanent solutions will be there would be ok for me i guess…

[hairman2]

Dude its not so much the content of what you said that i am criticizing but rather the way that you say it… along with the childish bashing of Spanish Dude on every occasion. Let’s at least pretend that we are interested in serious discussion when companies come down here and offer to give answers to our questions.

» hairman : ITS MY Opinion and as i stated Worthles in a long run, dont you
» know what LONG run means?
»
» BTW Spanish Dude is a effin Nazi just look at his signature. Dont play the
» voice of reason here cause nobody cares.
»
» Such vile contemptuous nonsense? Well should we all shut out traps just to
» keep companies happy?
»
» I stick with it, this recoverup thing is NOT Valuable for a long run, you
» have to get this procedure done over and over and over again.
»
» Companys just to inform you give a rats as* about forums and NO even if
» you try to play the nice one here, Recoverup wont give you a bargain on
» this treatment sorry but nice try
»
» And if officials went here, they have to accept the fact that there are
» other opinions, end of story.
»
» But hey tell a diffuse thinning mid 20 that he can have his hair back for
» only 10.000 dollars every three years for the rest of his life, but he has
» to use propecia also and Minox and other stuff.
»
» I would say Well done Sherlock, you totally missed the point here. Instead
» of me you should question why Recoverup didnt want to send fotos to one
» user here the first place.
»
» And btw all those fotos have this banner type writing all over it and this
» alters your viewing experience BTW.
»
» Dont ever talk to me again, you got that PAL.
»
» Lets say your 25 and until your 40th birthday you had to pay more then
» 150.000 Dollars are you shi**ing me?
»
» AND MOST IMPORTANT#
»
» Did i got an answer to this Long term thing? Nope nothing from the
» “Officials” until they didnt figure out to make this treatment at least a
» two step thing with permanent results, it is a price worthless treatment
» end of story

[Leeroy.Jenkins]

Screw you hairman have you paid attention to SDs Signature? No then its time, i can bash this guy till kingdom comes and btw i wont bash people are willing to argue in a nice way hell even roger_that stated a interesting question and we discussed this in a normal tone.

But SD has no Purpose instead of calling all people liars and questioning the Holocaust (what an inspiration for birth control this guy is)

@deth82 : You are right but, they even stated themselves that it wont last forever, so why should i pay 10.000 or more for a temporal thing.

Cause i can guarantee you you, that you will have to pay twice in every case for your hair:

1. HM like Histogens or Aris
2. Repair your frontal area by ht if needed

And then i dont see the point in a useless third option when you still have to eat propecia like there is no tomorrow.