Pre-Depilation Pic

» I’m impressed. Thank you Baccy for having the guts to try this yourself.
» This gives many of us hope. It’s nice to see that people are being
» proactive about finding a solution for hairloss.
»
» I’m going to call Acell this upcomming week…hopefully they will know
» something at this point.
»
» I know that there is another forum member who is in contact with Dr. Greco
» about PRP.
»
» At least we have some possible solutions on the horizon.:ok:

Good on you Willy - would love to hear the latest on Acell.

By the way, I also emailed a couple of doctors here in London and Manchester about Acell. I’ve been checking back regularly but unfortunately none of the doctors have tried the product yet. They are a little bit worried because no one has tried it before, and as you know, Brits are generally a very conservative bunch. What scares them in particular is sending home a patient with an open wound (this is presumably what needs to happen with Acell). Under British law, a doctor can be stripped of his or her practicing rights if he or she sends a patient home without closing a wound - so, a lot of doctors are pretty nervous about doing this.

However, one of the doctors whom I am close to (we’re high school friends) is watching the events in the US with interest. Although he hasn’t got time to read this site, I’ve been giving him the more interesting details, eg. Dr. Jones. However, this doctor doesn’t think that Dr. Jones, by using Acell and then stitching up the wound, has used it properly.

I wish I could have given the board more news, but unfortunately it looks like a case of “wait and see” over here.

» I haven’t been following this forum until recently. Can someone tell me if
» this is true that, so far, Baccy has only shaved his head and then
» sand-papered his scalp?
»
» If this is true then why didn’t Baccy continue with the topical forumula
» before the wound healed? I assume from reading his post that he’s planning
» to put the topical formula on his scalp AFTER he wounds his scalp again.
» I’m just wondering why he skipped that step the first time.
»
» Also, I’m very surprised that Baccy doesn’t have a single “before” photo
» of his scalp, even if it’s not real close up. I think those hairs would
» show up as a slight shadow even from far away. And he could always crop
» his face out of the photo.
»
» And finally, I’m just not as excited as you guys unless this process can
» be repeated to grow more and more hair, or if a topical formula will
» enhance new growth. This photo just looks like a typical Norwood 6 pattern
» with or without the little hairs on top.

the thing that intrigues me a bit is the interspresing of darker thicker hairs
not peach fuzz hairs
on the scalp area

it is definitely promising but as you say i would like to see some before pics if possible

Guys - don’t forget about my questions in my post above.

Baccy - I have a suggestion for you and forum members. Next time you decide to do some dermabrasion on your scalp, why not try using natural fibers like a natural loofa? This would gently exfoliate your skin and help open the pores, and if you feel you must do it until you bleed then you can continue to rub it with the loofa. It seems to me that a loofa would offer you more control over when to stop and help prevent you from over damaging the skin.

»
» the thing that intrigues me a bit is the interspresing of darker thicker
» hairs
» not peach fuzz hairs
» on the scalp area
»
» it is definitely promising but as you say i would like to see some before
» pics if possible

Another amazing thing: by looking at the picture, Baccy seems to have white hair on the side, but none on the scalp area (i.e. where regrowth took place).

» A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the yield.
» This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.
» The topical will consist of tannic acid, roxythromycin (anti-microbial),
» lithium orotate (wnt upregulation) and caffeine dissolved in dmso.
» Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept low
» <3% to avoid toxicity.
» the plan with the wounding is to use ‘Scalp Renew’ dermabrasion cream over
» the entire scalp. However, this protocol may change on the fly if I deem
» the wounding to be of insufficient severity. I may wind up sanding the
» scalp.
» I’ll keep you updated when I have more to add. As you’re probably aware, I
» only post for informative purposes and much as I like you guys, I don’t
» post for a chat.
»
»

Maybe it would be interesting if Baccy posted this picture to Follica, just to see what they will answer. Assuming it passes their automatic response and someone actually reads it.

Another amazing thing: by looking at the picture, Baccy seems to have white hair on the side, but none on the scalp area (i.e. where regrowth took place).

I’ve been pointing this out ever since I saw the Genfilitib cancer patient picture.

These new hairs aren’t looking anywhere near as grayed as the original stuff around the sides.

God, I can’t even imagine how rich & popular Folica’s project will become if it also cures GRAYING hairs. That’s a potential market that applies to pretty much every human alive over the age of 35. MPB or not. Both genders.

» Another amazing thing: by looking at the picture, Baccy seems
» to have white hair on the side, but none on the scalp area (i.e. where
» regrowth took place).
»
»
»
» I’ve been pointing this out ever since I saw the Genfilitib cancer patient
» picture.
»
» These new hairs aren’t looking anywhere near as grayed as the original
» stuff around the sides.
»
»
»
» God, I can’t even imagine how rich & popular Folica’s project will become
» if it also cures GRAYING hairs. That’s a potential market that applies to
» pretty much every human alive over the age of 35. MPB or not. Both
» genders.

Should we perhaps consider bying some Prector & Gamble stocks !

» » Another amazing thing: by looking at the picture, Baccy
» seems
» » to have white hair on the side, but none on the scalp area (i.e. where
» » regrowth took place).
» »
» »
» »
» » I’ve been pointing this out ever since I saw the Genfilitib cancer
» patient
» » picture.
» »
» » These new hairs aren’t looking anywhere near as grayed as the original
» » stuff around the sides.
» »
» »
» »
» » God, I can’t even imagine how rich & popular Folica’s project will
» become
» » if it also cures GRAYING hairs. That’s a potential market that applies
» to
» » pretty much every human alive over the age of 35. MPB or not. Both
» » genders.
»
» Should we perhaps consider bying some Prector & Gamble stocks !

Why Proctor and Gamble?

» » I haven’t been following this forum until recently. Can someone tell me
» if
» » this is true that, so far, Baccy has only shaved his head and then
» » sand-papered his scalp?
» »
» » If this is true then why didn’t Baccy continue with the topical
» forumula
» » before the wound healed? I assume from reading his post that he’s
» planning
» » to put the topical formula on his scalp AFTER he wounds his scalp again.
»
» » I’m just wondering why he skipped that step the first time.
» »
» » Also, I’m very surprised that Baccy doesn’t have a single “before”
» photo
» » of his scalp, even if it’s not real close up. I think those hairs
» would
» » show up as a slight shadow even from far away. And he could always
» crop
» » his face out of the photo.
» »
» » And finally, I’m just not as excited as you guys unless this process
» can
» » be repeated to grow more and more hair, or if a topical formula will
» » enhance new growth. This photo just looks like a typical Norwood 6
» pattern
» » with or without the little hairs on top.
»
» the thing that intrigues me a bit is the interspresing of darker thicker
» hairs
» not peach fuzz hairs
» on the scalp area
»
» it is definitely promising but as you say i would like to see some before
» pics if possible

I still say this is rejuvenated hairs. I want to see hair grow where there previously none to begin with… ever. If the thing about depilating yields 11X’s the results, then one would only need to do it 3-4 times because of the compounding effect.

» » » Another amazing thing: by looking at the picture, Baccy
» » seems
» » » to have white hair on the side, but none on the scalp area (i.e.
» where
» » » regrowth took place).
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » I’ve been pointing this out ever since I saw the Genfilitib cancer
» » patient
» » » picture.
» » »
» » » These new hairs aren’t looking anywhere near as grayed as the
» original
» » » stuff around the sides.
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » God, I can’t even imagine how rich & popular Folica’s project will
» » become
» » » if it also cures GRAYING hairs. That’s a potential market that
» applies
» » to
» » » pretty much every human alive over the age of 35. MPB or not. Both
» » » genders.
» »
» » Should we perhaps consider bying some Prector & Gamble stocks !
»
» Why Proctor and Gamble?

Reportedly, Gamble is a Follica investor.

Baccy, don’t take it the wrong way…but just for confirmation, Are ALL the hairs in the red area new/rejuvenated ones? i.e. there wasn’t any thick hair in that area before you did the experiment?

What about those spots in the blue area, when I saw your first pic I thought that they were thick hair follicles. But it appears it’s something else?

» A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the yield.
» This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.

The whole idea of EGF inhibition is to stop stem cells from converting into skin cells. if you apply it before wounding, it won’t have any effect because the stem cells haven’t been mobilized yet. Stem cells ONLY come into action when there is disruption of the scalp. I would highly recommend that you use tannic acid at least 1 day after wounding.

Btw, I remember you said that you use Folligen? which one & how often? Also, I don’t see much shine in your scalp UNLIKE usual NW6-7s. Is that a result of sanding/dermabrasion or has it been like this from the beginning?

» Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept low
» <3% to avoid toxicity.

how many days do you plan on applying the oil/cream?

The good news is, Baccy intends for this to BE the “before” picture, and in a month we will see the “after”. So keep your fingers crossed everybody :slight_smile:

Thank you Baccy…for all we know, you are showing the most promising results for human beings. I hope Follica or some other company contacts you and you somehow benefit financially from all of this.

And as far as all of you doubters are concerned, please read the following on the Law of Accelerating Returns:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1

This was formulated by somebody way smarter than many of us. I believe that we will indeed have a cure available within the next two years. The rate at which we are learning about this process is accelerating - Baccy has proven that much for us already.

I just joined this forum, mainly to congratulate you Baccy! If those are indeed new hairs you’ve really made a breakthrough, however sparse you feel they are.

How about using the new procedure on one half of your head and the old on the other half? That would provide several benefits:

  1. You would know if the previous procedure is repeatable.
  2. You could make an estimate of how much hair could be grown by repeating the process many times (i.e. was there as much new growth this round as the previous)
  3. You would have a baseline to compare your new procedure to in terms of efficiency.

Also, please document the procedure as much as possible, take minute notes of quantities, timings, ingredients etc and take as many photos as you can. It will really be worth it in the long run! It is the only way we can come closer to an efficient method.

Thank you for your efforts!

/p

» I just joined this forum, mainly to congratulate you Baccy! If those are
» indeed new hairs you’ve really made a breakthrough, however sparse you feel
» they are.
»
» How about using the new procedure on one half of your head and the old on
» the other half? That would provide several benefits:
»
» 1) You would know if the previous procedure is repeatable.
» 2) You could make an estimate of how much hair could be grown by repeating
» the process many times (i.e. was there as much new growth this round as the
» previous)
» 3) You would have a baseline to compare your new procedure to in terms of
» efficiency.
»
» Also, please document the procedure as much as possible, take minute notes
» of quantities, timings, ingredients etc and take as many photos as you can.
» It will really be worth it in the long run! It is the only way we can come
» closer to an efficient method.
»
» Thank you for your efforts!
»
» /p

the thing is, if this procedure did in fact produce these hairs on a bald scalp. it should be capable of continuing this success on the rest of the scalp, so the pressure is on to see if this indeed works

it will be interesting since these pics will definitely be the BEFORE pics, for 3 to 6 months from now

» the thing is, if this procedure did in fact produce these hairs on a bald
» scalp. it should be capable of continuing this success on the rest of the
» scalp,

I know it should, but we don’t really know until it has actually been repeated. My point is that if he does the left side of his head using the old technique and the right side using the new one, we will gain a lot more information. Also, if the new procedure turns out not to work we will still be able to see if the old one works in a predictable matter. I think it would be very reassuring to know that the old version really works, albeit slowly, should the new fail, instead of losing hope and wondering whether the last success was a freak occurance. We would in essence potentially lose a few months of experimentation otherwise. I think that if Baccy can show that the old procedure works again (and this time with photo evidence - before and after) we will see a surge of people willing to try that basic procedure with some variations. That would really benefit everyone, including Baccy, since we will then find the most efficient method quickly.

» it will be interesting since these pics will definitely be the BEFORE
» pics, for 3 to 6 months from now

Indeed.

Well now we can all relax alittle knowing there’s a true cure to come out soon…or even be able to do it ourselves before that.

» Well now we can all relax alittle knowing there’s a true cure to come out
» soon…or even be able to do it ourselves before that.

don’t be so optomistic, follica will probably fail as everyone does in the past

» » Well now we can all relax alittle knowing there’s a true cure to come
» out
» » soon…or even be able to do it ourselves before that.
»
» don’t be so optomistic, follica will probably fail as everyone does in the
» past

Wow. That was ignorant.

» » » Well now we can all relax alittle knowing there’s a true cure to come
» » out
» » » soon…or even be able to do it ourselves before that.
» »
» » don’t be so optomistic, follica will probably fail as everyone does in
» the
» » past
»
» Wow. That was ignorant.