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PERSONAL EXPERIMENT with Wnt3a and Keratinocytes


#21

» Hey all,
»
» I’ve been a long time reader and a first time poster. I’m about to shell
» out almost $1,000 to do an experiment and need your inputs so I go about
» this the right way and not waste any time or money. I’ve been reading up a
» lot on all these follica and histogen experiments, and there seems to be
» some great promise. This is what I plan to do, please tell me if you see
» any faults with this and how you would recommend that I fix them:
»
»
» I plan to dermabrate my scalp and wait a couple of days (not sure how
» many…possibly 3 days later) to create an embryonic environment and
» encourage stem cells to migrate. Then, I will inject universally a mixture
» of wnt3a and keratinocytes and watch for any results. Keeping
» it simple.
»
» Do you think that I should mix in any other growth factors, or anything
» that would enhance beta catenin or lef with the wnt3a? Maybe add in
» prostaglandins like travoprost and latanoprost, or maybe a
» prostamide like bimatoprost?
»
» The interesting followup question would be if any new follicles would be
» DHT resistant? Probably not so I’d have to get some kind of topical
» anti-androgen for maintenance.
»
» Your input will be very much appreciated. Thanks!

Ohhhh I’m such a idiot he’s using histrogens expirment not follicas! F$ck that won’t work for me the guy who’s working on it already said it only works when the root is still there just not active. I know u guys tell me my eyebrows will grow back but it’s been since the beginning of last summer. I believe that they r dead so only follica would work 4 me since they create entirely new hair/roots. D@mn it! I was hoping I could use his expirement could have given me a better insight on what 2 do.


#22

I wish I could help you, but I have not learned about these procedures/experiments. This is not kitchen stuff, I think it must be difficult to do it at home, but who knows…

good luck.

» Hey all,
»
» I’ve been a long time reader and a first time poster. I’m about to shell
» out almost $1,000 to do an experiment and need your inputs so I go about
» this the right way and not waste any time or money. I’ve been reading up a
» lot on all these follica and histogen experiments, and there seems to be
» some great promise. This is what I plan to do, please tell me if you see
» any faults with this and how you would recommend that I fix them:
»
»
» I plan to dermabrate my scalp and wait a couple of days (not sure how
» many…possibly 3 days later) to create an embryonic environment and
» encourage stem cells to migrate. Then, I will inject universally a mixture
» of wnt3a and keratinocytes and watch for any results. Keeping
» it simple.
»
» Do you think that I should mix in any other growth factors, or anything
» that would enhance beta catenin or lef with the wnt3a? Maybe add in
» prostaglandins like travoprost and latanoprost, or maybe a
» prostamide like bimatoprost?
»
» The interesting followup question would be if any new follicles would be
» DHT resistant? Probably not so I’d have to get some kind of topical
» anti-androgen for maintenance.
»
» Your input will be very much appreciated. Thanks!


#23

» Ohhhh I’m such a idiot he’s using histrogens expirment not follicas! F$ck
» that won’t work for me the guy who’s working on it already said it only
» works when the root is still there just not active. I know u guys tell me
» my eyebrows will grow back but it’s been since the beginning of last
» summer.

Guy, there’s a couple of docs who do eyebrow HTs. They only cost around $3k. If its really bothering you, maybe you should look into one of those?


#24

» For what it’s worth, this failed me recently:
»
» I took some oral Leflunomide (Genfilitnib-like effects) while using a
» topical cortisone cream on the area for a few weeks. This should have been
» fairly similar to the cancer patients who got accidental regrowth from
» Genfilitnib usage.

Cal you never want to mess around with corticosteroids on the hair. They interfere with stem cell proliferation and the wound repair process that is so important in Follica type stuff. And its just bad news for hair in general which is why people on large/long term dosages get thinning skin and hair. They are great for immunosupression which might be good for hair but the other stuff is bad news.
hh

»
» What concerns me is that I’m fairly sure the areas I tested are worse
» off than before I started.
They were in areas of thin hairline growth
» where I wounded and applied the topical cortisone cream. Afterward, now
» the surrounding hairline areas are still growing about like they were
» before the attempt, but the lost hair in the wounded areas is showing no
» signs of coming back. It’s been a good 4 months since the original wound
» date now.


#25

results???


#26

»
» Thanks for your concern. I have done extensive research and read through
» almost all the experiments involving wnt and follicular morpheogenesis. At
» this point, the only thing that I think that I have to worry about is
» benign tumors.

Man you have issues…i mean we all do have issues but you seem to take the cake with this decision…personally i dont give a sh*t if you grow hair and if you will update us i somehow strangely care if anything bad happens to you or to some poor desperate guy that decides to imitate you. So as far as i am concerned keep this BS experiment to yourself i dont wanna know anything.

As for this board what is this strange weird things that are happening here.The HM section is not moderated at all, you let these things hairsite where people try dangerous stuff and might lead other people to try this stuff and you dont do nothing?For me these threads with dangerous personal experiments should be closed and deleted…there is no doctor supervision no nothing.When are moderators understand that they have some personal responisbilities to this community as well…if only an ethical one.

So hairsite get yourself away from the transplant board if only for a minute and check out what is happening here as well…


#27

Are you the authority on what is dangerous and what is not?

The HT board doesn’t promote dangerously aggressive HTs, but if people are going to get them then the board has still been willing to publish them. The HT board is still willing to discuss the issues involved in them and even advocate one strategy over another. Is this promoting dangerous activity too? Should that discussion be stopped, in order to protect (grown men) from themselves?


#28

» Are you the authority on what is dangerous and what is not?
»
»
»
»
» The HT board doesn’t promote dangerously aggressive HTs, but if people are
» going to get them then the board has still been willing to publish them.
» The HT board is still willing to discuss the issues involved in them and
» even advocate one strategy over another. Is this promoting dangerous
» activity too? Should that discussion be stopped, in order to protect
» (grown men) from themselves?

Actually I agree that this type of experiment should not be condoned, but rather condemned instead. Hair transplants are not done by individuals themselves, they are done by doctors,surgeons, so I wouldn’t compare this experiment to hair transplants. And yes these boards are terrible when it comes to proper moderating.

Who ever encourages the OP to go ahead with it is doing so for selfish reasons without any concern or regard for the person taking a tremendously dangerous risk. We’re not the only ones reading these boards, there are literally thousands of people who read these, and it sends the wrong message. I’m desperate to regain my hair back, but not to the point of seriosly endangering myself or encouraging others to be a lab rat on my behalf just to see how it works out.

I hope he reconsiders his experiment.


#29

» Are you the authority on what is dangerous and what is not?
»
»
»
»
» The HT board doesn’t promote dangerously aggressive HTs, but if people are
» going to get them then the board has still been willing to publish them.
» The HT board is still willing to discuss the issues involved in them and
» even advocate one strategy over another. Is this promoting dangerous
» activity too? Should that discussion be stopped, in order to protect
» (grown men) from themselves?

I get your point and we are generally on the same page, but at least transplants are performed by doctors…I dont mind experimenting in general and i am all for it but when he admits himself tumors are involved it goes too far.


#30

Keep one thing in mind, the only man who got hair grow using this new age methods was the cancer patient using a sun-dermoabrasion and taking genifb with a depresed immune system due to chemotherapy.

No magic windows, just sun-dermoabrasion with a depressed immune system and genifb

This is the approach I am going to try instead of yours but, in any case, good luck!


#31

» Keep one thing in mind, the only man who got hair grow using this new age
» methods was the cancer patient using a sun-dermoabrasion and taking genifb
» with a depresed immune system due to chemotherapy.
»
» No magic windows, just sun-dermoabrasion with a depressed immune system
» and genifb
»
» This is the approach I am going to try instead of yours but, in any case,
» good luck!

seriously have u seen results yet or not?


#32

please give us a update!


#33

UPDATES:

Nov 16, 2009: I took before pix and dermabrated my scalp.
Nov 19, 2009: I injected the wnt3a and keratinocyte mixture.
Nov 25, 2009: So far I don’t see much happening; it’s only been about 6 days since the injection. Scalp sensitivity is mostly gone. I’m not expecting anything for a few weeks, but I’ll keep you updated as things progress.


#34

» UPDATES:
»
» Nov 16, 2009: I took before pix and dermabrated my
» scalp.
» Nov 19, 2009: I injected the wnt3a and keratinocyte
» mixture.
» Nov 25, 2009: So far I don’t see much happening; it’s
» only been about 6 days since the injection. Scalp sensitivity is mostly
» gone. I’m not expecting anything for a few weeks, but I’ll keep you updated
» as things progress.

thank you so much! hope it works


#35

» » UPDATES:
» »
» » Nov 16, 2009: I took before pix and dermabrated
» my
» » scalp.
» » Nov 19, 2009: I injected the wnt3a and
» keratinocyte
» » mixture.
» » Nov 25, 2009: So far I don’t see much happening;
» it’s
» » only been about 6 days since the injection. Scalp sensitivity is mostly
» » gone. I’m not expecting anything for a few weeks, but I’ll keep you
» updated
» » as things progress.
»
» thank you so much! hope it works

anything new homie :slight_smile:


#36

update? anything new hair?


#37

UPDATES:

Nov 16, 2009: I took before pix and dermabrated my scalp.
Nov 19, 2009: I injected the wnt3a and keratinocyte mixture.
Nov 25, 2009: So far I don’t see much happening; it’s only been about 6 days since the injection. Scalp sensitivity is mostly gone. I’m not expecting anything for a few weeks, but I’ll keep you updated as things progress.
Dec 03, 2009: Sorry that I haven’t posted anything for sometime, but I hadn’t been noticing anything until today. I think I may have some good news for you, but I just want to make sure before I get anyone’s hopes up. Give me a few days. I think I may be noticing some growth in some areas I had absolutely no hair (which was almost the whole of the top of my head…) It’s still too early to tell and what I’m seeing now is not anything too exciting, but I am noticing some changes- extremely tiny fine sprouts, borderline vellus, but what seems to be better. I’m pretty anxious and will give an update again soon. Again, it’s still too early to tell. Although I did not want to put up any pictures, I think that I may post some.

In the meantime, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS2ZRsnXIE :rotfl:

Kind of gives you hope. No?


#38

kudos to your effort, and professionalism.
I wish you the best with this experiment; any success -no matter how finite- would give the folks that read this section a much needed ego boost

… so no pressure lol

» UPDATES:
»
» Nov 16, 2009: I took before pix and dermabrated my
» scalp.
» Nov 19, 2009: I injected the wnt3a and keratinocyte
» mixture.
» Nov 25, 2009: So far I don’t see much happening;
» it’s only been about 6 days since the injection. Scalp sensitivity is
» mostly gone. I’m not expecting anything for a few weeks, but I’ll keep you
» updated as things progress.
» Dec 03, 2009: Sorry that I haven’t posted anything for
» sometime, but I hadn’t been noticing anything until today. I think I may
» have some good news for you, but I just want to make sure before I get
» anyone’s hopes up. Give me a few days. I think I may be noticing some
» growth in some areas I had absolutely no hair (which was almost the whole
» of the top of my head…) It’s still too early to tell and what I’m seeing
» now is not anything too exciting, but I am noticing some changes- extremely
» tiny fine sprouts, borderline vellus, but what seems to be better. I’m
» pretty anxious and will give an update again soon. Again, it’s still too
» early to tell. Although I did not want to put up any pictures, I think that
» I may post some.
»
» In the meantime, watch this:
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS2ZRsnXIE :rotfl:
»
» Kind of gives you hope. No?


#39

I would echo the cautioning about getting our hopes up, everyone. Even if he turns up good regrowth sprouts we’re STILL nowhere near being out of the woods yet.

– Do the new hairs have decent characteristics?

– Do they last a full cycle before shedding?

Do they restart a new cycle and continue growing unasissted AFTER the first cycle that the medication kicked into gear?

– Do they get slaughtered by the same old MPB androgen attack within a few months or years?

Regrowth is certainly worth a lot of excitement, no arguing with that. But I wouldn’t go flushing your Finasteride down the toilet at the first set of promising photos he posts up.


#40

question 1
so does this just rejuvenate dormant hair follicles or does it create entirely new ones?
question 2
the reason i ask… well does u think it would work on other areas of the body…

i guess theirs only one way to find out first wait for wewillwin to conclude his experiment then if he is successful try it myself

hope it works man!