from here
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/investors/rep/otherdocs/2006-08-03/at_aim.pdf
» y was Phase II a developmental failure ???
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» They reported substantial hair growth. How is that a failure ??
»
» Just because they havent been too specific doesnt mean that the results r
» poor.
ICX TRC is not going to be developed further unless some entity steps in an buys the research Nathan. That should tell you something.
13% to 103% increases dont tell us much. A 100 percent increast of 50 hairs per square inch could just be 100 hairs per square inch, which is pretty much see-through hair and YOU KNOW IT.
They are assuredly growing hair (and doing much much better with dermabrating skin beforehand----what they are calling pre-stimulation). However growing “some” hair and the “possible small scale commercialization in 2008” they talked about sound like to entirely different things. ICX was no doubt dissapointed that more hair didn’t grow in these trialees, but if they thought a breakthrough was “just around the corner”, I dont think they’d be putting their present research up for sale. ICX has QUIT researching TRC further, and are simply waiting on the third cohorts hair growth to be assessed later this year. If nobody buys the results…the technology will be stored by ICX, just lying there. Aderans will by default be the leader in HM research followed by Histogen, Phoenixbio, and the Indian Clinics.
You once said that a big announcement would come in March 2007, and it didn’t. Youve tried to intimate that you have some sort of insider knowledge, but you dont.
We will know if the third and last trialee group had success by the results. Somebody will swallow up the research quickly if the trialees grew a “decent” amount of hair. ICX will probably be PROUD to show us results if the third group of trialees has nice success. We’d be getting a before-and-after picture…not percentages.
yeah right, Do 7 yrs’ of hard work and then put it on the shelf and wait 2 c if any1 comes in to take it. Well if that’s how a business is run then I certainly wouldnt be giving them £2M of my money 
» from here
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» http://www.intercytex.com/icx/investors/rep/otherdocs/2006-08-03/at_aim.pdf
you see, its August 2006.
totally outdated.
» yeah right, Do 7 yrs’ of hard work and then put it on the shelf and wait 2
» c if any1 comes in to take it. Well if that’s how a business is run then I
» certainly wouldnt be giving them £2M of my money
Yeah right,troll a hair loss forum for years providing “inside info” that is proven to be false time & time again & expect people to listen to you.Get a life you attention seeking loser!
How pathetic would someone have to be to try & make himself out to be somebody who has all this inside info just to make himself feel important to a bunch of baldies? Loser !
» I’ve still not convinced that TRC will work satisfactorily even after
» phase#3.
»
» Phase#2 looked like a developmental failure. The whole concept should
» have turned out some much better looking regrowth by now. The results
» they’re getting don’t seem to be much beyond what could be achieved with
» the “scalp stimulation” (read: dermabrasion) step alone. And that is
» virtually nothing in terms of cosmetic impact.
I really respect your opinions & views.I wish more people on this forum followed your path instead of following the delusional idiots that have tuned this place into a joke.
Thanks.
I really had high hopes like a lot of people about ICX a year ago. But in retrospect, Hangin and the other naysayers seem to be correct.
The specifics of the photos & news that ICX has released can be debated endlessly. But there is still an overall picture that has been developing. Phase#2 looks like a failure, and probably for reasons deep into the basic assumptions of the whole TRC project.
I still think the TRC project could get placed back onto the front burner & eventually bear some kind of commercial fruit if Folica (and the Acell ideas) totally fail. But that’s not exactly the ideal situation we want.
I also wonder about ICX-TRC’s potential as a future loss prevention method even if it can’t cause any cosmetically-significant regrowth.
Travis this is a research forum and not a playground, keep your comments to yourself nobody cares how emotional you are or what you think of posters personally.
This is for research discussion only, What you are referring to as a “joke” was actually for a while a lot of intelligent discussion on possible future treatments until people like you turned up with your whining and gibberish spamming the place up.
If you don’t agree with what some people are doing (i.e sandpapering) grow up and keep it to yourself, people are going to do what they want regardless.
Regarding TRC everyone. It was always their intension to partner and end research (so to speak, as they aren’t ending research at all, they are continuing research with the aid of a partner) after phase II regardless of weather they would need phase III or for a small/large scale commercialization FACT!
But weather they are getting satisfactory regrowth at this stage is another matter, it doesn’t look good at all from what we have so far 
but we should know more by their next report and hopefully they would give some more detail.
It maybe wishful thinking but I get the impression that Intercytex are hiding something, could be good or bad who knows? (Nathan? 
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And now Nathan resorts to post 2-year old information to give the impression that everything looks great for ICX. How sick.
Oh well, this is Hairsite. No surprise to find a bunch of weirdos here from time to time.
Nathan has just posted a 2 year old report to make everything look rosy and on-track. It is clear that he is not being truthful.
Now, I also think that we must wait until the September report before discarding ICX. The chances are very low now, but I still think ICX is the only solid thing that we have right now.
Acell and Follica have potential, but so far there is no calendar or roadmap for their projects.
» Nathan has just posted a 2 year old report to make everything look rosy and
» on-track. It is clear that he is not being truthful.
»
» Now, I also think that we must wait until the September report before
» discarding ICX. The chances are very low now, but I still think ICX is the
» only solid thing that we have right now.
» Acell and Follica have potential, but so far there is no calendar or
» roadmap for their projects.
Here’s a recap of how I feel about ICX:
- The fact ICX hasn’t been forthright with photos is distressing - they’re a publicly traded company afterall.
- The fact that ICX got more consistent results after stimulating their last test group with dermabrasion makes me feel more positive about Follica.
- Even if ICX worked perfectly tomorrow, the odds of me getting treated in the next few years would be slim. They’re heavily reliant on pricey cell cultivation equipment, so market penetration would be slow.
- The above point gets compounded when you consider they’re nowhere near phase III.
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ICX-TRC’s better dermabraded results actually kind of concern me.
The hair science that ICX is dealing with is probably not affected by the dermabrasion in a huge way. (Certainly nothing like with Folica, where it’s a vital component of the bedrock science.) I don’t see the logical reason that it would make any huge difference.
So, if that assumption is true, then it concerns me that dermabrasion affects the results that much. Because I suspect that the dermabrasion probably doesn’t affect the results by a whole lot at all, in the big picture.
So if the relatively small benefit of dermabrasion represents a significant benefit to the TRC results . . . their overall TRC regrowth results must be pretty tiny in the big picture. I can’t imagine it being “cosmetically significant” by any stretch.
The file is indeed 2 yrs old but i was trying to make a point that intercytex were intent on following a particular strategy and judging from the report they seem to have stuck to it -
ie “The Group’s strategy is to seek distribution partners as the products near regulatory approval”
“Intercytex has confirmed that the timing of negotiations would be such as to avoid any delay in commercialisation”
» The file is indeed 2 yrs old but i was trying to make a point that
» intercytex were intent on following a particular strategy and judging from
» the report they seem to have stuck to it -
»
» ie “The Group’s strategy is to seek distribution partners as the products
» near regulatory approval”
»
» “Intercytex has confirmed that the timing of negotiations would be such as
» to avoid any delay in commercialisation”
yeah, Nathan, but things have changed significantly in these 2 years. Now they are not seeking a partner for commercialization after Phase III and FDA appoval, but rather, they are sort of selling TRC after Phase II. This, combined with the so-so results in the last report, and the vagueness of the language. Things don’t look good, but September is 2 months away, so we better wait. We will have plenty of time for bashing ICX afterwards if things go bad.
» The file is indeed 2 yrs old but i was trying to make a point that
» intercytex were intent on following a particular strategy and judging from
» the report they seem to have stuck to it -
»
» ie “The Group’s strategy is to seek distribution partners as the products
» near regulatory approval”
»
» “Intercytex has confirmed that the timing of negotiations would be such as
» to avoid any delay in commercialisation”
2 years ago they were seeking a partner for distribution when they were near regulatory approval
now they’re seeking a partner to fund phase 3 + help them with distribution
2 years from now they’ll tell us they lost their phase 2 results and need a partner to fund phase 2 + phase 3 + help them with distribution
4 years from now they’ll misplace the keys to their lab, and will seek a partner that can help them break into their premises
8 years from now, when the ICX staff is old and senile, the will seek a partner to feed them prune mash, and change their adult diapers.
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Unbelievable! You should pray for TRC
» Unbelievable! You should pray for TRC
We already had this debate before. Several months ago I said this was the right technology in the wrong hands. I still believe that hair multiplication has merit, and I still believe InterCytex is mismanaging this product.
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Im surprised people are even trying to debate Nathan. It is obvious that TRC is a failure and that Nathan had no privy information. So far, all we have is Follica and dermabrasion type procedures (Acell) to look on with interest unless something else pops up. I dont understand why Bickle (and others)think it is stupid to experiment with dermabrasion and try Acell. What else are we supposed to do? Sit around and complain that there appears to be no cure for the next 10 years? We already know that…
» » This is for research discussion only, What you are referring to as a
» “joke” was actually for a while a lot of intelligent discussion on
» possible future treatments
This only proves how stupid you are.Only an inbred twit would encourage this kind of behaviour.Sand papering your head to a bloody pulp sounds really intelligent to me.I bet if Einstein was alive today he would be discussing this right now.
» If you don’t agree with what some people are doing (i.e sandpapering) grow
» up and keep it to yourself, people are going to do what they want
» regardless.
You are right,you idiots are free to do whatever you want.But, the jackass didn’t even bother to take before photos but he will buy a camera if he gets results.Real professional ! lmao Yep,I bet this guy will beat Follica to the punch.
» Regarding TRC everyone. It was always their intension to partner
» and end research (so to speak, as they aren’t ending research at all, they
» are continuing research with the aid of a partner) after phase II
» regardless of weather they would need phase III or for a small/large scale
» commercialization FACT!
Sure thing jackass. Why did Kemp sell his shares in the company ?
Why is Farjo looking at growing hairs outside of the body to be transplanted into the scalp if TRC is working? Why did Farjo say that this method will resolves DIRECTION & DENISTY issues.
Here’s the quote jackass, get a dictionary because there are some big words in there that your simpleton mind may not comprehend.
Dr Farjo said that his team was also experimenting with combining the DP cells with keratinocytes – the cells that produce keratin, the basic building material of hair – so that they could grow actual hairs for transplant, rather than injectable cells. This could further improve surgeons’ control over the amount, direction and appearance of the transplanted hair, he said
Why don’t you try injecting your head with a substance to try & replicate what ICX is doing? I suggest you try heroin,with any luck you will OD & spare this place from your farcical “research discussion”
God I miss the days when I could read sane & rational comments from people like the greek,boston baldy & baldie42.
Have’nt checked this site out in a long time just seen the TRC report from March.
Oh Dear! Hit the brick wall just like Gho eh.
My take on the report is, it works in a fashion but the hair grows like pubes on your head and we aint pumping anymore money into it, especialy with the credit problems.
This is extremely dissapointing (although not a complete surprise)Ive been checking this site out since 1999 had the highs and the lows and hope springs eternal, but for me this is a moment of inflection. ITS OVER!
Good Luck Guys.