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#21

» i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long, long
» time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well. it
» does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get hair to
» grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long long
» time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even in
» this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss cure
» will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it still
» might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area IMMEDIATELY
» after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.

This is not an attempt to grow hair in scar tissue. The scar tissue was taken out.


#22

» i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long, long
» time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well. it
» does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get hair to
» grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long long
» time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even in
» this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss cure
» will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it still
» might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area IMMEDIATELY
» after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.

He “excised” the scar. Hello??? The scar is gone. He’s not doing anything “in scar tissue”. Stop talking about things you don’t understand. Now I know why hangin calls you brainless.


#23

» » i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long, long
» » time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well.
» it
» » does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get hair
» to
» » grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long long
» » time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even in
» » this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss
» cure
» » will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it still
» » might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area
» IMMEDIATELY
» » after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.
»
» He “excised” the scar. Hello??? The scar is gone. He’s not doing
» anything “in scar tissue”. Stop talking about things you don’t understand.
» Now I know why hangin calls you brainless.

I’m pretty sure that Maneless meant tissue that contained currently healthy hair follicles. I know (and I would bet that he does too) that the scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had healthy hair follicles for a while. I kind of assumed that the members knew what I meant when I said that.

Anyways, as far as talking about things that aren’t understood…I disagree. This forum is great because everyone can add their imput. Sometimes they may be right and sometimes they may be wrong, but most of us are not EXPERTS on these subjects, so, I welcome any imput on these subjects. (Except for the few people who come here to antagonize the other members.)


#24

» I know (and I would bet that he does too) that the
» scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had healthy
» hair follicles for a while.

Yes, and all the skin in that area was removed, so how can it matter if healthy follicles grew there or not? Acell regenerates new skin. Whether new follicles will grow in the new skin or not is a different story, but all the old skin in that spot is gone, and therefore, what grew there in the past is inconsequential.


#25

» I’m pretty sure that Maneless meant tissue that contained currently
» healthy hair follicles. I know (and I would bet that he does too) that the
» scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had healthy
» hair follicles for a while. I kind of assumed that the members knew what I
» meant when I said that.

Yes, the area WITHIN the scar didn’t have hair follicles. So what if that area didn’t have follices? It was a scar, and now it is gone. Do you know what a scar is? It is an incision that healed and stretched, and in that streched area there is no hair…well, that area was completely removed. So now it is just an incision within healthy skin. Get it?


#26

» Yes, and all the skin in that area was removed, so how can it matter if
» healthy follicles grew there or not? Acell regenerates new skin. Whether
» new follicles will grow in the new skin or not is a different story, but
» all the old skin in that spot is gone, and therefore, what grew there in
» the past is inconsequential.

You get it.


#27

» If it does not heal up, then the only explanation imho will be that there
» was not enough skin left inside the actual wound,and skin growing from the
» sides of the wound to its centre wont make it to completely close the
» wound.

There was no skin left inside the wound. But do we know that skin growing from the sides to the center is the mechanism at work with Acell?


#28

» » If it does not heal up, then the only explanation imho will be that
» there
» » was not enough skin left inside the actual wound,and skin growing from
» the
» » sides of the wound to its centre wont make it to completely close the
» » wound.
»
» There was no skin left inside the wound. But do we know that skin growing
» from the sides to the center is the mechanism at work with Acell?

yes thats how the wound is closing, but I guess that in most cases there is some of the original tissue underneath the wound so you may also see it as wound closing from the sides but on top of the original tissue.


#29

I think if Acell hair grow,the information plays a big role. The skin it will growth we all know.
The injury should be kept very small.
And the most important, Acell needs the information of the Follicel!!!
The best,in the injury are a carve Follicel and so can Acell get the information from the DP-Cells!
I think,Acell can so accrete the DP-Cells in the injury----hair growth!!

Guys,do you think it too?


#30

» I think if Acell hair grow,the information plays a big role. The skin it
» will growth we all know.
» The injury should be kept very small.
» And the most important, Acell needs the information of the Follicel!!!
» The best,in the injury are a carve Follicel and so can Acell get the
» information from the DP-Cells!
» I think,Acell can so accrete the DP-Cells in the injury----hair
» growth!!
»
»
» Guys,do you think it too?

We don’t all know the skin will “growth”, it may just scar again. The injury size shouldn’t matter. If the skin “growths” it will “growth” in any case.

I don’t understand the rest of your message.


#31

» » i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long, long
» » time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well.
» it
» » does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get hair
» to
» » grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long long
» » time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even in
» » this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss
» cure
» » will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it still
» » might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area
» IMMEDIATELY
» » after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.
»
» He “excised” the scar. Hello??? The scar is gone. He’s not doing
» anything “in scar tissue”. Stop talking about things you don’t understand.
» Now I know why hangin calls you brainless.

Hangin calls me brainless because he doesn’t like my politics and because he thinks my belief that hairloss will change my life in a positive way is stupid. I tell you this because you are obviously the idiot who doesn’t know what you are talking about.

This Acell is so new that we really don’t know for sure what to think yet. And that is my point. My point is that there is no telling how Acel will react in a situation where the attempt to grow new skin/hair is in an area that was scarred and hasn’t grown hair in a long time. This experiment is so new and it’s anybody’s guess what will happen. But you, and a few others, actually think that you already have the definitive truth that it does not matter that the tissue being replaced is old scar tissue, but i am saying i do not know the answer to that yet. i keep an open mind, you do not. BTW, i do email with the doctor and he responded when i pointed out that the incised material should reach into hair-bearing tissue, but he has not responded since i pointed out that the tissue being incised is scarred and the hair in that tissue is long dead. I suspect that the reason he hasn’t responded to that issue is that he himself does not know what to make of my point. i myself don’t know what to make of my point. And my point is not that this is going to be a problem; my point is that it might be a possible explanation for why it doesn’t work if it does not work. Remember, the way we are talking about using ACEL is different from the ongoing experiment. The ongoing experiment takes SCAR tissue from a LONG-DEAD (hair-follicle dead) area and tries to regrow hair-growing skin in that area WHEREAS what we are hoping to do is remove NONSCARRED HAIR-GROWING SKIN and immediately regrow HAIR-GROWING SKIN IN THE SAME PLACE. These are different biological tasks.


#32

» » » i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long,
» long
» » » time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well.
» » it
» » » does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get
» hair
» » to
» » » grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long
» long
» » » time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even
» in
» » » this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss
» » cure
» » » will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it
» still
» » » might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area
» » IMMEDIATELY
» » » after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.
» »
» » He “excised” the scar. Hello??? The scar is gone. He’s not doing
» » anything “in scar tissue”. Stop talking about things you don’t
» understand.
» » Now I know why hangin calls you brainless.
»
» I’m pretty sure that Maneless meant tissue that contained currently
» healthy hair follicles. I know (and I would bet that he does too) that the
» scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had healthy
» hair follicles for a while. I kind of assumed that the members knew what I
» meant when I said that.
»
» Anyways, as far as talking about things that aren’t understood…I
» disagree. This forum is great because everyone can add their imput.
» Sometimes they may be right and sometimes they may be wrong, but most of us
» are not EXPERTS on these subjects, so, I welcome any imput on these
» subjects. (Except for the few people who come here to antagonize the other
» members.)

Of course you are right Willy, that is exactly what i meant. And it is just a potential concern of mine in case it doesn’t work. Right now, i have no idea what to think is going to happen. this is a wait and see situation. I was just pointing out that if it doesn’t work this time there may be fixable reasons for it’s lack of success so we shouldn’t get completely discouraged if it doesn’t work this first time. of course it would just be best if it works the first time right now.


#33

» » I know (and I would bet that he does too) that the
» » scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had
» healthy
» » hair follicles for a while.
»
» Yes, and all the skin in that area was removed, so how can it matter if
» healthy follicles grew there or not? Acell regenerates new skin. Whether
» new follicles will grow in the new skin or not is a different story, but
» all the old skin in that spot is gone, and therefore, what grew there in
» the past is inconsequential.

i firmly believe that new skin will grow, and i even think it will be nonscarred skin. i just don’t know if the follicles will come back and i’m saying that perhaps in some way that you and i do not understand if the follicles do not come back then it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that the previous tissue (the stuff removed) was scar tissue and the follicles had long since been gone.


#34

» » I’m pretty sure that Maneless meant tissue that contained currently
» » healthy hair follicles. I know (and I would bet that he does too) that
» the
» » scar was removed during this procedure, but the area has not had
» healthy
» » hair follicles for a while. I kind of assumed that the members knew
» what I
» » meant when I said that.
»
» Yes, the area WITHIN the scar didn’t have hair follicles. So what if that
» area didn’t have follices? It was a scar, and now it is gone. Do you know
» what a scar is? It is an incision that healed and stretched, and in that
» streched area there is no hair…well, that area was completely removed.
» So now it is just an incision within healthy skin. Get it?

of course, but this experiment is so complicated and there is no telling how one thing will affect another with certainty at this point. do you get it?

Are you aware that right now there is a big news story that brains of bullies show pleasure when they hurt someone else? scientists are surprised to see this because it is the exact opposite of what they expected. also a few years ago hairsite posted a study that shows something like the DNA of androgens is not involved in hairloss. it kind of makes no sense but somehow it’s true. why does minox work on some people, but not others? when i first tried minox my uncle tried it at the same time. he was a nw 5 and i was a nw 2. he got full regrowth and i got no benefit at all. The human body is complicated and very very intricate plus they do not know the limitations of ACel yet. THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT! They are doing these experiments because they themselves are not sure about things yet. Again, do you get it?


#35

» » Yes, and all the skin in that area was removed, so how can it matter if
» » healthy follicles grew there or not? Acell regenerates new skin.
» Whether
» » new follicles will grow in the new skin or not is a different story,
» but
» » all the old skin in that spot is gone, and therefore, what grew there
» in
» » the past is inconsequential.
»
» You get it.

Sounds logical but sometimes logic changes as more information/evidence is gathered. For example, did you know that just 10 years or so ago the scientific community had to revise some of the laws of gravity because asteroids circling around saturn were defying the existing laws of gravity? You are talking about skin, hair-follicles, and tissue and Acell as you have the first and last word on the situation. Give me a break!!! It’s as though you think what you know about skin/hair and logic is the beginning and end of everything. You sound like one of the people who would have snickered at Columbus because he thought the world wasn’t flat. You do not have an open mind. You just apply what presently seems logical TO YOU and then close your mind to other possibilites. But what you don’t understand is that, that attitude is the attitude that is NOT SCIENTIFIC because science is always superceding itself.


#36

» » i was concerned about that tissue not having grown hair in a long, long
» » time, but you raised the issue about that being scar tissue as well.
» it
» » does sound like it would be very difficult for any treatment to get hair
» to
» » grow in SCARtissue that hasn’t grown hair in a long long
» » time. We need to just sit and wait but if Acell does grow hair even in
» » this scarred and long-since dead area then our search for a hairloss
» cure
» » will be over. otoh, if it doesn’t grow hair in this test then it still
» » might grow hair if we used the Acel in non-scarred donor area
» IMMEDIATELY
» » after harvestation. Let’s just keep that in mind.
»
» He “excised” the scar. Hello??? The scar is gone. He’s not doing
» anything “in scar tissue”. Stop talking about things you don’t understand.
» Now I know why hangin calls you brainless.

So then according to you there is no chance that this experiment will not work since we already know that the doctor states that it has grown hair in humans before. It should already be a done deal that this is going to work and there is no chance that it won’t work. You are a total unmittigated fool because you don’t know when to keep your ignorant mouth shut.


#37

» Sounds logical but sometimes logic changes as more information/evidence is
» gathered. For example, did you know that just 10 years or so ago the
» scientific community had to revise some of the laws of gravity because
» asteroids circling around saturn were defying the existing laws of gravity?
» You are talking about skin, hair-follicles, and tissue and Acell as you
» have the first and last word on the situation. Give me a break!!! It’s as
» though you think what you know about skin/hair and logic is the beginning
» and end of everything. You sound like one of the people who would have
» snickered at Columbus because he thought the world wasn’t flat. You do not
» have an open mind. You just apply what presently seems logical TO YOU and
» then close your mind to other possibilites. But what you don’t understand
» is that, that attitude is the attitude that is NOT SCIENTIFIC because
» science is always superceding itself.

If you have a logical argument and more information/evidence about how the state of a section of skin that was completely removed affects the formation of hair follicles in newly generated tissue, then please present it. I’m all ears.

Save your asteroid and Columbus analogies for someone else though. Creationists use the same type of rhetoric. Hmm, did you know that back in the 1400’s everybody thought that if you stand on your head and bite the ear of a white barking dog, then you could cure a case of the common cold? Everybody who said otherwise was laughed at. But now, scientists have proved otherwise. That’s why even though it’s commonly accepted that the universe is billions of years old, the fact that the world was created 10,000 ago in 6 days is still true.

Having said that, I agree that TheGay me is a bit rowdy even though we’re on the same side of the argument here. :lookaround:


#38

» So then according to you there is no chance that this experiment will not
» work since we already know that the doctor states that it has grown hair in
» humans before. It should already be a done deal that this is going to work
» and there is no chance that it won’t work. You are a total unmittigated
» fool because you don’t know when to keep your ignorant mouth shut.

maneless are you going to get a hair transplant if what Dr Jones does work?


#39

» » Sounds logical but sometimes logic changes as more information/evidence
» is
» » gathered. For example, did you know that just 10 years or so ago the
» » scientific community had to revise some of the laws of gravity because
» » asteroids circling around saturn were defying the existing laws of
» gravity?
» » You are talking about skin, hair-follicles, and tissue and Acell as
» you
» » have the first and last word on the situation. Give me a break!!! It’s
» as
» » though you think what you know about skin/hair and logic is the
» beginning
» » and end of everything. You sound like one of the people who would have
» » snickered at Columbus because he thought the world wasn’t flat. You do
» not
» » have an open mind. You just apply what presently seems logical TO YOU
» and
» » then close your mind to other possibilites. But what you don’t
» understand
» » is that, that attitude is the attitude that is NOT SCIENTIFIC because
» » science is always superceding itself.
»
» If you have a logical argument and more information/evidence about how the
» state of a section of skin that was completely removed affects the
» formation of hair follicles in newly generated tissue, then please present
» it. I’m all ears.
»
» Save your asteroid and Columbus analogies for someone else. Creationists
» use the same type of rhetoric. Hmm, did you know that back in the 1400’s
» everybody thought that if you stand on your head and bite the ear of a
» white barking dog, then you could cure a case of the common cold?
» Everybody who said otherwise was laughed at. But now, scientists have
» proved otherwise. That’s why even though it’s commonly accepted that the
» universe is billions of years old, the fact that the world was created
» 10,000 ago in 6 days is still true.

In your view there really is no need to even have the present ongoing experiment because it is impossible for ACEL not to work at growing hair since as well all know the doctor himself has stated that Acel has grown hair in humans. In my view we need to wait to see if it works and in case it doesn’t work we should have line up some good reasons for its’ lack of success so that we can try the same stuff, but differently, in other experiments. By your way of thinking it must work, and if it doesn’t work then that is the end of it, but what if it would work if the docs tried a different protocol??? How sad it would be if we didn’t pursue every possible angle for it not working, in the case that it doesn’t, and the doctors just give up if the first experiment fails, and we never even learn that if we had just changed things a little then it would have worked.


#40

» » So then according to you there is no chance that this experiment will
» not
» » work since we already know that the doctor states that it has grown hair
» in
» » humans before. It should already be a done deal that this is going to
» work
» » and there is no chance that it won’t work. You are a total
» unmittigated
» » fool because you don’t know when to keep your ignorant mouth shut.
»
» maneless are you going to get a hair transplant if what Dr Jones does
» work?

Yes! What a dream! It would mean an unlimited donor supply. It would mean the end of the nightmare for almost all of us. Only a very small percentage of us would be unable to get our hair back. If it does work I wish you all the luck in the world in getting your hair back. This stuff doesn’t sound very expensive either.