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More Testosterone = More Hair Loss?


#1

I have some supplement that will increase my testosterone. I know that for those that aren’t taking any dht blockers, more testosterone will accelerate the hair loss. However, if I were already on dutasteride, and took a supplement that increased my testosterone, will my dutasteride prevent the new testosterone form converting to dht?

If I were already taking 0.5mg daily, would it be helpful if I took 1.5mg daily while I was taking the supplement that increased the testoterone so that hair loss is not accelerated?

Just to confirm (it’s been awhile last I checked):

2.5mg daily = inhibits 95% serum dht
0.5mg daily = inhibits 92% serum dht

So does that mean if one were to add saw palmetto that the percentage of serum dht inhibited would increase?


#2

Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in my case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst which brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now taking dut but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two years if I had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day so I wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the gym you’ll be just fine


#3

» Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases
» testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in my
» case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst which
» brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now taking dut
» but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two years if I
» had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day so I
» wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the gym
» you’ll be just fine

thanks for your feedback bro, i played linebacker a few yrs ago.

but when you took the ando were you taking dut and fin while you were taking it? if so, how long were you taking the dut/fin for prior to starting the andro?

andro is a bytch on the hair bro. it attacks your hair through other channels unlike testosterone where it converts to dht. and dut/fin stop the conversion of testosterone to dht. so even if you did take fin or dut while on andro i doubt it would have helped at all. it only helps with the “supps” that increase test and convert to dht.


#4

» I have some supplement that will increase my testosterone. I know that for
» those that aren’t taking any dht blockers, more testosterone will
» accelerate the hair loss. However, if I were already on dutasteride, and
» took a supplement that increased my testosterone, will my dutasteride
» prevent the new testosterone form converting to dht?
»
» If I were already taking 0.5mg daily, would it be helpful if I took 1.5mg
» daily while I was taking the supplement that increased the testoterone so
» that hair loss is not accelerated?
»
» Just to confirm (it’s been awhile last I checked):
»
» 2.5mg daily = inhibits 95% serum dht
» 0.5mg daily = inhibits 92% serum dht
»
» So does that mean if one were to add saw palmetto that the percentage of
» serum dht inhibited would increase?

Don’t do it, I know a lot of bodybuilder who are on testosterone booster are losing their hair big time. You are playing with fire


#5

» » I have some supplement that will increase my testosterone. I know that
» for
» » those that aren’t taking any dht blockers, more testosterone will
» » accelerate the hair loss. However, if I were already on dutasteride,
» and
» » took a supplement that increased my testosterone, will my dutasteride
» » prevent the new testosterone form converting to dht?
» »
» » If I were already taking 0.5mg daily, would it be helpful if I took
» 1.5mg
» » daily while I was taking the supplement that increased the testoterone
» so
» » that hair loss is not accelerated?
» »
» » Just to confirm (it’s been awhile last I checked):
» »
» » 2.5mg daily = inhibits 95% serum dht
» » 0.5mg daily = inhibits 92% serum dht
» »
» » So does that mean if one were to add saw palmetto that the percentage
» of
» » serum dht inhibited would increase?
»
» Don’t do it, I know a lot of bodybuilder who are on testosterone booster
» are losing their hair big time. You are playing with fire

I know bro I fully agree. But i’m wondering to what degree dht blockers will help while on test boosters.


#6

I can’t see why there should be a problem with more testosterone, as long as you have the right dosage for DHT inhibition.

DHT is the one that makes us lose hair, not testosterone


#7

you have to be a little careful with this. excess Testosterone is converted into estrogen. This is balance by the conversion to DHT. If this is stopped and androgens are raised there is a possibility of a significant problem. Some people started using aromatase inhibitors but before you know it you have a vicious circle. These steroid hormones have a complex set of metabolic pathways.


#8

» » Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases
» » testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in my
» » case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst which
» » brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now taking
» dut
» » but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two years if
» I
» » had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day so I
» » wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the gym
» » you’ll be just fine
»
» thanks for your feedback bro, i played linebacker a few yrs ago.
»
» but when you took the ando were you taking dut and fin while you were
» taking it? if so, how long were you taking the dut/fin for prior to
» starting the andro?
»
» andro is a bytch on the hair bro. it attacks your hair through other
» channels unlike testosterone where it converts to dht. and dut/fin stop the
» conversion of testosterone to dht.

do u even know what you jus said…BRO. Andro acting through different channel??
u gotta be kidding me…there is no other channel -DHT is always the culprit…naturally androsteindione is produced in adrenal cortex in both males and females it can then be converted into either testosterone or estradiol.
U got it all wrong…


#9


#10

» » » Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases
» » » testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in
» my
» » » case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst which
» » » brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now
» taking
» » dut
» » » but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two years
» if
» » I
» » » had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day so
» I
» » » wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the gym
» » » you’ll be just fine
» »
» » thanks for your feedback bro, i played linebacker a few yrs ago.
» »
» » but when you took the ando were you taking dut and fin while you were
» » taking it? if so, how long were you taking the dut/fin for prior to
» » starting the andro?
» »
» » andro is a bytch on the hair bro. it attacks your hair through other
» » channels unlike testosterone where it converts to dht. and dut/fin stop
» the
» » conversion of testosterone to dht.
»
» do u even know what you jus said…BRO. Andro acting through different
» channel??
» u gotta be kidding me…there is no other channel -DHT is always the
» culprit…naturally androsteindione is produced in adrenal cortex in both
» males and females it can then be converted into either testosterone or
» estradiol.
» U got it all wrong…

No, YOU got it all wrong and twisted dude. There’s not a brain on the face of this planet that can prove to you exactly how any androgenic steroids cause hair loss. All we know is that the more andogenic or the higher the androgen levels of the steroid the MORE hair waves good-bye. The only thing that can be used relatively safely and/or better than the other roids is testosterone and deca-durabolin. With test one can take dht inhibitors and with deca you don’t have to worry, unless you’re taking fin or dut - because the combination increases hair loss.

if you think I got it all wrong bro feel free to chime and and tell me how I got it all wrong and have something to back it up. There’s a freaking reason why i started this thread - and it was not for Joe to come here and tell me I got it all wrong and leave. By all means, take me to school.

And DHT is NOT always the culprit, it’s the WORST, but not the only culprit. Androgen in the scalp is known to cause hair loss.


#11

"with deca you don’t have to worry, unless you’re taking fin or dut - because the combination increases hair loss. "

What does this mean???


#12

» "with deca you don’t have to worry, unless you’re taking fin or dut -
» because the combination increases hair loss. "
»
» What does this mean???

Deca-durabolin is extremely safe to take and you never have to worry about hair loss if you're predisposed with mpb. However, if you take simultaneously finasteride/dutasteride (dht inhibitors) with deca Durabolin, the combination will be the cause of hair loss/shed.

“Deca Durabolin - I’ve never had a problem with my hair on this one, neither have hundreds of other guys I’ve talked to. The safety of this steroid, as far as hairloss is concerned, stems from the fact that 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, instead of converting it to a stronger androgen like DHT, converts it to a very mild androgen called DHN. Taken in dosages of up to 300-400 mg weekly it shouldn’t produce any hairloss problems, this is due to the fact that, being a highly HPTA supressive androgen, 300-400 mg are no more androgenic than our endogenous testosterone (supressed while we are taking it) would be… One BIG word of caution: While you are taken Deca Durabolin never ever take 5AR blockers such as Proscar/Propecia/Dut, for it would block the conversion of nandrolone to DHN in tissues such as the scalp and the prostate, resulting in hairloss and BPH, which is what we are trying to avoid taking Deca.” (Swales - HRT Doctor)


#13

» » » » Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases
» » » » testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in
» » my
» » » » case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst
» which
» » » » brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now
» » taking
» » » dut
» » » » but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two
» years
» » if
» » » I
» » » » had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day
» so
» » I
» » » » wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the
» gym
» » » » you’ll be just fine
» » »
» » » thanks for your feedback bro, i played linebacker a few yrs ago.
» » »
» » » but when you took the ando were you taking dut and fin while you were
» » » taking it? if so, how long were you taking the dut/fin for prior to
» » » starting the andro?
» » »
» » » andro is a bytch on the hair bro. it attacks your hair through other
» » » channels unlike testosterone where it converts to dht. and dut/fin
» stop
» » the
» » » conversion of testosterone to dht.
» »
» » do u even know what you jus said…BRO. Andro acting through different
» » channel??
» » u gotta be kidding me…there is no other channel -DHT is always the
» » culprit…naturally androsteindione is produced in adrenal cortex in
» both
» » males and females it can then be converted into either testosterone or
» » estradiol.
» » U got it all wrong…
»
» No, YOU got it all wrong and twisted dude. There’s not a brain on the
» face of this planet that can prove to you exactly how any androgenic
» steroids cause hair loss. All we know is that the more andogenic or the
» higher the androgen levels of the steroid the MORE hair waves good-bye. The
» only thing that can be used relatively safely and/or better than the other
» roids is testosterone and deca-durabolin. With test one can take dht
» inhibitors and with deca you don’t have to worry, unless you’re taking fin
» or dut - because the combination increases hair loss.
»
» if you think I got it all wrong bro feel free to chime and and tell me how
» I got it all wrong and have something to back it up. There’s a freaking
» reason why i started this thread - and it was not for Joe to come here and
» tell me I got it all wrong and leave. By all means, take me to school.
»
» And DHT is NOT always the culprit, it’s the WORST, but not the only
» culprit. Androgen in the scalp is known to cause hair loss.

I agree DHT is not always the culprit, Andro and Testosterone are a lot responsible for female pattern baldness and i have no doubt that they play a role in males too, but definetly Andro more than Test. Ive tried Fin with testosterone boosters and amomatase inhibitors in the past, and they didnt seem to effect my hair in a bad way.

But no matter how high my testosterone, and low or balanced out my estrogen was, i NEVER felt as good as when i have normal DHT levels, so i had to quit fin and hope that RU 58841 and topical spiro will maintain for me. DHT is absolutely essential to my well being, mood, sex drive, energy, clarity of thought,ect.


#14

» you have to be a little careful with this. excess Testosterone is converted
» into estrogen. This is balance by the conversion to DHT. If this is stopped
» and androgens are raised there is a possibility of a significant problem.
» Some people started using aromatase inhibitors but before you know it you
» have a vicious circle. These steroid hormones have a complex set of
» metabolic pathways.

Yeh you’re absolutely right. But usually those who take steroids such as test that raise estrogen levels combat them with aromatase inhibitors. However, they don’t stay on for too long and are usually on for 2-4 months at a time and then take 6-7 months off. On-cycle vs off-cycle. This gives their bodies time to recuperate to normal status. This has been the case for the past few decades and those who used it safely and wisely, majority, have never had any problems.


#15

» » » » Mj, I would advise you not to take a supplement that increases
» » » » testosterone. It will increase hair loss dramatically, at least in
» » my
» » » » case. I took androstenedione and it basically was the catalyst
» which
» » » » brought about an early set on of hair loss. As you know I’m now
» » taking
» » » dut
» » » » but I feel that I wouldn’t have had to take dut for another two
» years
» » if
» » » I
» » » » had not taken andro. I play football at ISU and workout each day
» so
» » I
» » » » wouldn’t waste your time, so I’m sure if you put good time in the
» gym
» » » » you’ll be just fine
» » »
» » » thanks for your feedback bro, i played linebacker a few yrs ago.
» » »
» » » but when you took the ando were you taking dut and fin while you were
» » » taking it? if so, how long were you taking the dut/fin for prior to
» » » starting the andro?
» » »
» » » andro is a bytch on the hair bro. it attacks your hair through other
» » » channels unlike testosterone where it converts to dht. and dut/fin
» stop
» » the
» » » conversion of testosterone to dht.
» »
» » do u even know what you jus said…BRO. Andro acting through different
» » channel??
» » u gotta be kidding me…there is no other channel -DHT is always the
» » culprit…naturally androsteindione is produced in adrenal cortex in
» both
» » males and females it can then be converted into either testosterone or
» » estradiol.
» » U got it all wrong…
»
» No, YOU got it all wrong and twisted dude. There’s not a brain on the
» face of this planet that can prove to you exactly how any androgenic
» steroids cause hair loss. All we know is that the more andogenic or the

i told you what i read in my med school during my bachelors…


#16

I didnt say that andro and testo cant cause the damage…what i said was that they pass thru the same pathway (NO OTHER PATHWAY) -ANDRO–>TESTO–>DHT

and the potency to cause effects like baldness increases as you go down thus making DHT always the MAJOR CULPRIT.
For rest of what u said this JOE doesnt wanna get into it.
Now if you will excuse me …


#17

» I didnt say that andro and testo cant cause the damage…what i said was
» that they pass thru the same pathway (NO OTHER PATHWAY)
» -ANDRO–>TESTO–>DHT
»
» and the potency to cause effects like baldness increases as you go down
» thus making DHT always the MAJOR CULPRIT.
» For rest of what u said this JOE doesnt wanna get into it.
» Now if you will excuse me …

Can you show any evidence of this? This goes against everything Ive read to date. Would be something new to many of us who might be on the wrong misconception here.

If that was the case, then why doesn’t finasteride/proscar help prevent hair loss with androgenic steroids like it helps with testosterone steroids? The only thing that has somewhat of a small affect to a small degree is using a topical anti-androgen with these substances.

Too bad Joe, you’r already in hahaha


#18

Finasteride is 5 alpha reductase inhibitor,thus preventing conversion of testosterone to DHT.Now overloading the body with testo and andro would render the finasteride to be less than effective in two ways–
1.Increased conc. of testo and andro would mean increased potency of their biochemical effects,that means that even though andro and testo are much less potent than DHT but their increased amounts in body would cause effects(baldness) to which they would not have contributed that much if present in normal conc.
2.Now about enzyme kinetics,increased conc. of substrate would cause induction of the enzyme that it needs,that means if you increase testo(or andro for that matter) in your body the enzyme 5-alpha reductase would be induced and produced in greater amounts.now the 1 mg finasteride you are taking is not titrated against this increased conc. of enzyme thus there would be less inhibition of DHT production leading to increased DHT too and hence its effects.(baldness)

Having explained what i know im done with this post topic…PEROID!


#19

» 2.Now about enzyme kinetics,increased conc. of substrate would cause
» induction of the enzyme that it needs,that means if you increase testo(or
» andro for that matter) in your body the enzyme 5-alpha reductase would be
» induced and produced in greater amounts.

Maybe, maybe not, depending on which version of the enzyme you’re talking about. There was a study by Happle & Hoffmann which found that additional testosterone given to cultured human scalp hair follicle cells increased the mRNA of the 5a-reductase type 2 enzyme; however, the type 1 enzyme was unaffected.