» » Yup; I’d say 2012-2015 if trials are successful. Of course, we’ll know
» » we’ll be lucky enough to only have to wait that long in about a year and
» » half. By then, it will be clear whether or not either ICX or Folica
» » something commercially viable.
» the next 8 years without hair? NO PLEASE
It may take just 3 if you are a millionaire and everything goes better then expected and with a bit of bad luck it may never happen that you’ll see your hair again in your life time.
All in all, we all should better start dealing with our issues (by any means necessary) and not stalling our lives. Whoever stalls is a bound to be a loser no matter if it takes 4 or 8 or 20 years.
I ordered contact lenses and balding clipper. You guys do what you like, keep living the lives you have if you like.
The decision is yours and in fact it’s quite simple when you realize that there are only 3 possible options:
- do nothing and nothing will change. you’ll carry on living what you live.
- do something and get over it (shave the hair & get a tan is a good start, or take a ht, or buy a wig or whatever, the point is: get over it by any means necessary)
- or contemplate a suicide
If you don’t like these options then well, I’m sorry but there are no other available. You can appeal to God if you like but he generally does not pick up the phone. So unless you are prepared to allow the appeal to take a life time, go up and read the short list again and again and again and again, and pick the best option you see. that’s the only thing that can be done about it. longer you stall longer it will take before you once again start living a normal life, harder the decision will be and more damage you’ll suffer. read the list again! Even a child can choose out of the 3. And yes I know that you’ll look like an idiot without your hair. I will as well But thats irrelevant because there are no other options. So stop moaning. The only three options are listed above. Period.
debris, I agree/disagree with you.
I have been saying it here for a while now…I am certain that if TRC is remotely effective it would be released this or next year, just like valveta was last year. Anyone who is thinking they would get a full head of hair back from NW5+ within 1-2 years, are daydreaming!
However, TRC has been proven to show regrowth without any sideeffects and that alone is a big incentive for 25 year olds like me with NW6 to get it. And I’m also sure that Intercytex are aware of people like me who’d rather have something now then have to wait 5 years for a full head of hair. Its not that after 5 years we can’t get it anymore, we can top up our first-gen TRC with second-gen TRC that could possibly give us a good (full?) head of hair.
Bottom-line, IF the results next month are GOOD then there is a good chance that the phase-III could also be a small scale commercial launch in 08-09.
So what ? so if the results are amazing next month, youre going to sit and wait for 2 years and hopefully then you’ll spend a fortune and get 20% of your hair back and everything will suddenly change and you’ll be happy become a chick magnet and get a high heeled wife. Is that what you really believe? Or will you then wait even longer to become it cheaper so you can have more hair because it’s so important for everyone to be happy and confident. And what if it will take the 5 years? Ask yourself how old you’ll be 5 years from now on. And what if it fails? Or what if you will not be able to afford it? Is all this utopia about hair and chicks still worth the wait?
I say wipe out the hair, take a camera ask a friend to get photos of yourself, fix everything you can experiment with facial hair, get a tan, hit a gym and ignore the rest. Do not stall. The best reaction from a woman I got was when she insulted me and I managed not to give a fuck, stay my ground turn it around and make her to look stupid. Instant attraction.
If we are lucky and it works and is fast forwarded to market (via some unbeliveable miracle or a law in Serbia or whatever reason you wish here) and is cheap so average joe like us can afford it (haha) and most importantly, if it really works and give satisfying results then we can have our hair eventually even if we stop waiting and stalling.
I understand what you are saying, you are trying to talk sense into those people that believe that their NW1-3 is affecting their lives (women, jobs etc etc). These people definitely have social issues and getting back a full head of hair won’t fix their miseries or get them a chick. 100% with you on that!
However, I’m only 25 years old…now how many 25 year olds do you see with a NW6? It just makes me look a lot older than I am. I don’t need hair to get a girl or anything, I just need it so I can be confident about my selfimage and thats it. Btw, I already do shave(trim) my head and have been doing it for past 2 years because I was NW5 at age 23- very aggressive hairloss!
All I am saying is that even if TRC can take me back to NW4…I’d pay for it (ofcourse if its reasonable). I’m not asking for a head full of hear but NW6 at this age just doesn’t cut it for me. As of the women, the girls(women) at this age have plenty of other options so they aren’t really interested in bald men. Its usually the 30+ women who already have several bad experiences these women start looking for a guy with decent personality and don’t care about the looks. There are exceptional cases in under 30 range too…but what are odds of me actually coming across one?
As of me waiting for TRC. I’m not holding my breath and living my life but I know it will significantly imrpove the quality of my life, once its out.
I know one nw7 guy, he’s smoothly shaved and a chick magnet. I know another nw7 guy he’s buzzed, his head shape is iffy but he does not give a fuck and has no apparent problems with women.
if you already shave the hair then get a tan or get a hairpiece.
You know what? every day spend a little time and self evaluate yourself. ask someone to give you his / her impression of you. take pictures of you (often you do not see clearly something in the mirror, it needs to be flipped on the photograph when the thing starts manifesting itself more clearly). Are you not photogenic and hate taking pictures of yourself? Study the topic, use google, what is it that someone looks good and someone does not. Do they know something you don’t? They probably do!
You’ll realize that pretty much every week there will be something you’ll be able to improve on yourself. After a while you’ll look better than most of the hairy guys.
Try it! I’m not joking I really mean it. Just get your ass moving and do it. I for example realized this way that left side of my face looks somehow weaker than the right one. I’ve never noticed before.
I did research and started facial exercises with a little of hope and fixed it in matter of a week or so (it’s incredible how fast the muscles on the face grow if you know how to work on them).
Then I started focusing on facial hair … run through tons of photographs, every time I see a cool looking guy I steal something of of his looks. Every time I see someone acting in a way I adore I analyze his behaviour and model it. I read body language books, everywhere I walk I look how people move, I can now walk through the people in tube and just with the way I hold myself and by my body language everyone will get it and step aside. When I stand I stand like a man not like a chump anymore. Just by this change I started noticing chicks secretely peeking at me from aside. Whats better I know which chick is interested in me and which is not just by her body language. I know when shes bored when shes angry, when shes tired, when she’d appretiate a talk. I can read them like a book.
There are tons things I have on my list that need to be done, but I advise everyone not to wait for that miracle that may come too late. every day of waiting the guys who shaved the hair are making progress while you stall. 5 years from now on you’ll be insecure chumps. thats the only thing anyone can gain by waiting.
goata: And I understand what you are saying. You are like I was. Tons of reasons why not to do something. All people work like this. We spend most of our lives wishing something and finding reasons why that can’t be done and why we should just stay what we are and wait. Even though pretty much all of us do somehow know that without doing anything nothings going to chance and nothings going to be acheived. Youre excuse is NW6 at 25. My excuse was stupid headshape. Assymetric jaws and tons of other ridiculous reasons why I can’t be happy without the hair.
you know what: read the 3 options once again. it is that simple really. you do not have any other option:
you’ll do nothing and suffer the consequences (do take time and write them down, what’s going to happen 5 years from now on when you are still bald and did all the time nothing but kept hiding from the rest of the world and allowed the hairloss to take your life away of you)
you’ll change your attitude, and solve the problem by any means necessary that are available now, not by some virtual, maybe, let’s hope, please god, a cure in 5 years, they’ll skip phase III bullshit ways that do not exist at this point and may never happen. Focus on permanent fixes. Do not delay the inevitable but face it now like a man. What will make you feel more emotionally strong? Hairpiece or shaving? How about insecurity will it vanish?No? Then maybe it’s time to change your attitude first. Could that be done?
you’ll contemplate a suicide.
Take time and be prepared that the insecure yoou will start bullshiting you every now and then and that only way how to deal with it is to get back, read the options, rationalize them, and pick the one least ugly. Every time this happens do it. When you find your way, stick with it. When the insecure you starts moaning, tell it to shut up and die. There’s only the 3 and it’s not nizoral nor rogaine nor propecia. Read them again if you need to.
I undesrstand that it is tough to be nw6 at 25. But it does not change anything. It is completely irrelevant, the same irrelevant my headshape is. You still have only these 3 options man. Do you hate them? Well unfortunatelly that is irrelevant as well. You have only the 3 options and there is no fourth. It is that simple. So deal with them!
Is nw4 a solution? Really? Stop lying to yourself. How many insecure nw4 28 years old guys sporting a crappy looking flap you know and adore? NONE? WHAT A F***** SURPRISE MAN! Or do you believe you’ll be different than them? Or do you believe that smoothly shaved nw6 is worse than buzzed down nw4??? Oh come on. Be honest. It’s not the hair that needs fixing its us. Take a look at the three options. These are the only ones, everything else is lying to yourself.
I can relate to Debris, we are very much alike. I am norwood 4 with HT and very thin coverage, anyway I have an odd shaped head. First, a tan definitely helps 2. secondly, confidence is what is inside you, not your appearance. I know I come in here joking around always “It’s saturday night and I am bald”, but I have a very full life despite scalp showing. Thirdly, when in social situation avoid standing directly under brght lights. Fourth, I focus a lot of my atention on building my body and working out. Someday our “Within 5 years” will actually arrive, but let’s not sit around waiting on it. Hello fellow HAIRSITE friends. alec
» New to hear, and am wondering how it was announced that ICX would be
» releasing information on the 18th of March. Is this just an update on
» thier progress? If so what Phase are they testing now 1, 2, or 3? Also
» would I be wrong to assume that if they are into thier phase 3 trials that
» treatment would be avalible soon after?
It has to be good news otherwise the company will start downplaying the Mar 18th announcement already.
» It has to be good news otherwise the company will start downplaying the
» Mar 18th announcement already.
Yeah, but that’s just it. ICX also thought the last update was good news too, and it went over like a lead balloon for a lot of people.
The problem isn’t that they’re not making progress. They are.
The problem is that the MPB world’s expectations have nothing in common with ICX’s probable timeline for TRC.
Ever since ICX got into clinical trials, the MPB world has basically expected every single update to be the life-altering one that changes baldness as we know it. People always expect each new update to be a money shot of beautiful new regrown hair and an announcement that the current stage of trials is concluded & the next stage will begin right away.
Delivering an update with anything less than this is guaranteed to be a disappointment to the MPB world. And realistically, “less than this” is all ICX is gonna deliver on the 18th.
» » New to hear, and am wondering how it was announced that ICX would be
» » releasing information on the 18th of March. Is this just an update on
» » thier progress? If so what Phase are they testing now 1, 2, or 3? Also
» » would I be wrong to assume that if they are into thier phase 3 trials
» » treatment would be avalible soon after?
» » Thanks
They are still on trial II.The detailed analysis from this trial will form the basis of further Phase II or Phase III trials as appropriate.Maybe with a small scale commercialisation along side trial III.
» It has to be good news otherwise the company will start downplaying the
» Mar 18th announcement already.
Its the Preliminary results for all their products not just ICX-TRC…They are a Public Limited Company,so they have to have these announcements.
Good advice debris…Thanks!
how can you guys know if this is effective or not if ICX does not list the bald status of the study subjects
here is what I mean by this
if you are just thinning, it is relatively easy to get the follicles to produce new hair
if you are slick bald and the follicles have miniaturized and died, and lets say been that way for 5 years, the chances of conventional methods working are next to zero
are the subjects in the trials just thinning? this makes a HUGE difference IMO as far as future results,
if they can get hair to regrow on slick bald spots that have been that way for 5 to ten years thats a world of difference from getting hair to grow on thinning scalps
this is an issue I do not see often discussed, In fact I have never heard it discussed here
This is why it is important for them to release the individual statistics for each trialist. Couching the data in statistics doesn’t really tell you everything. If they give each trialist as a datapoint, I can figure out the statistics myself. It’s not like they have thousands and thousands of trialists (even then, if they provided it in electronic form, it would still be easy to do).
And you are right. There do need to be some trialists that are slick bald. And even with the thinning guys, you need to know how long they have been losing their hair. e.g., I have been losing my hair for over 20 years. It has been VERY gradual. But it has never stopped. Only slowed. It’s hard to classify me, because the charts don’t really match me. I’m probably a Norwood IV, but you could also classify me as a Norwood II with extreme thinning (because my hairline is only slightly receded). But if you take somebody who has the same hair as me who has only been thinning for 3 years, versus me thinning for 20+ years, well, as you suggested, the results might be different.
Although I would like to see as much data as possible, I would still be happy if they released the individual data for each trialist, including before and after counts and treatment size. How long somebody had been balding would be a bonus at this point. And like you said, they really need some people that are slick bald. But my own feeling is that they will obscure the results again in statistics, which in my mind means it didn’t work as well as they planned. But we’ll see. That’s just my prediction. I hope I’m wrong and hope I’m pleasantly surprised. Should know in about a month.
» This is why it is important for them to release the individual statistics
» for each trialist. Couching the data in statistics doesn’t really tell
» you everything. If they give each trialist as a datapoint, I can figure
» out the statistics myself. It’s not like they have thousands and
» thousands of trialists (even then, if they provided it in electronic form,
» it would still be easy to do).
» And you are right. There do need to be some trialists that are slick
» bald. And even with the thinning guys, you need to know how long they
» have been losing their hair. e.g., I have been losing my hair for over 20
» years. It has been VERY gradual. But it has never stopped. Only slowed.
» It’s hard to classify me, because the charts don’t really match me. I’m
» probably a Norwood IV, but you could also classify me as a Norwood II with
» extreme thinning (because my hairline is only slightly receded). But if
» you take somebody who has the same hair as me who has only been thinning
» for 3 years, versus me thinning for 20+ years, well, as you suggested, the
» results might be different.
» Although I would like to see as much data as possible, I would still be
» happy if they released the individual data for each trialist, including
» before and after counts and treatment size. How long somebody had been
» balding would be a bonus at this point. And like you said, they really
» need some people that are slick bald. But my own feeling is that they
» will obscure the results again in statistics, which in my mind means it
» didn’t work as well as they planned. But we’ll see. That’s just my
» prediction. I hope I’m wrong and hope I’m pleasantly surprised. Should
» know in about a month.
My prediction is they will lie by omission, in other words they will not come right out and lie but in the past by not releasing pics or HAIR COUNTS, this percentage thing is just ridiculous
obviously it is much more difficult to grow hair on a slick bald guy, especially if he has been that way for like 10 years. so if they get guys who are just thinning, especially only recently thinning, it is easy as hell, in my experience to get regrowth on that scalp.
It is next to impossible to get regrowth on dead follicles, so. it is extremely convenient to just …accidentally on purpose, …not mention the thinning bald status. of the trialists
as I said, if they do that, it is lying by omission