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» I just contacted them. Maybe they’ll let me use their stuff on my FUE donor
» region.
Great News! I’m glad to see that someone on this forum would rather try to fix their problem rather than complain about it. Make sure to do your own research to make sure this is what is right for you. Let us know the name of the doctor who is willing to do your surgery and use the Acell product. Please let us know how they use it with FUE. Please keep us posted.
Best of Luck!!!
Bill
» »
» It would be great of some of the TRANSPLANT DOCTORS would check into this
» technology. If it works, they could truly offer the FULL head of hair
» that they all promise before performing a transplant (usually to
» disappoint us).
»
» Personally, I believe that most of the doctors could care less about
» emerging technology. Most of the people in this forum know FAR more than
» doctors performing transplants. They are happy to take your money and go
» home at the end of the day. I believe that it partly up to us to push for
» better results.
Come on, man. Do you really think that HT docs don’t have their ears to the ground all the time for the next big thing? Just because YOU are enthusiastic about this technology, doesn’t mean that it is the end all. There may be things about the basic idea that just don’t make sense for HT. But at any rate, most HT docs are not going to be on these forums jumping up and down; what purpose would that serve, except to get patients who are desperate all lathered up about a technology that may be a bum steer for HT. They may be all too aware of it, and hanging back to see what comes of it.
» » It would be great of some of the TRANSPLANT DOCTORS would check into this
» technology. If it works, they could truly offer the FULL head of hair
» that they all promise before performing a transplant (usually to
» disappoint us).
»
» Personally, I believe that most of the doctors could care less about
» emerging technology. Most of the people in this forum know FAR more than
» doctors performing transplants. They are happy to take your money and go
» home at the end of the day. I believe that it partly up to us to push for
» better results.
Emerging technology means possibly better procedures = more money and a more active practice. Why wouldn’t they be interested? (IF it is something feasible, which is far enough down the road). Look at HT today versus 1985.
“Most of the people on this forum know FAR more than the docs”? Do you really think that? That is just ludicrous. I think you are projecting your anger at having hair loss onto the docs who may not be able to give you exactly what you want.
If they DID come on this board and cheerlead about this technology and then it DIDN’T work, I can only imagine the reaction. “They got our hopes up, they deluded us and mislead us, and now they can’t produce the results! How could they!” Think about it.
» » »
» » It would be great of some of the TRANSPLANT DOCTORS would check into
» this
» » technology. If it works, they could truly offer the FULL head of hair
» » that they all promise before performing a transplant (usually to
» » disappoint us).
» »
» » Personally, I believe that most of the doctors could care less about
» » emerging technology. Most of the people in this forum know FAR more
» than
» » doctors performing transplants. They are happy to take your money and
» go
» » home at the end of the day. I believe that it partly up to us to push
» for
» » better results.
»
»
» Come on, man. Do you really think that HT docs don’t have their ears to
» the ground all the time for the next big thing? Just because YOU are
» enthusiastic about this technology, doesn’t mean that it is the end all.
» There may be things about the basic idea that just don’t make sense for
» HT. But at any rate, most HT docs are not going to be on these forums
» jumping up and down; what purpose would that serve, except to get patients
» who are desperate all lathered up about a technology that may be a bum
» steer for HT. They may be all too aware of it, and hanging back to see
» what comes of it.
I stand by my statements…HT docs are more interested in making money than giving their patients full heads of hair…don’t live in denial.
» »
» » Come on, man. Do you really think that HT docs don’t have their ears to
» » the ground all the time for the next big thing? Just because YOU are
» » enthusiastic about this technology, doesn’t mean that it is the end
» all.
» » There may be things about the basic idea that just don’t make sense for
» » HT. But at any rate, most HT docs are not going to be on these forums
» » jumping up and down; what purpose would that serve, except to get
» patients
» » who are desperate all lathered up about a technology that may be a bum
» » steer for HT. They may be all too aware of it, and hanging back to see
» » what comes of it.
»
» I stand by my statements…HT docs are more interested in making money
» than giving their patients full heads of hair…don’t live in denial.
I’m living in denial. Now who’s the psychologist? 
» » » It would be great of some of the TRANSPLANT DOCTORS would check into
» this
» » technology. If it works, they could truly offer the FULL head of hair
» » that they all promise before performing a transplant (usually to
» » disappoint us).
» »
» » Personally, I believe that most of the doctors could care less about
» » emerging technology. Most of the people in this forum know FAR more
» than
» » doctors performing transplants. They are happy to take your money and
» go
» » home at the end of the day. I believe that it partly up to us to push
» for
» » better results.
»
»
» Emerging technology means possibly better procedures = more money and a
» more active practice. Why wouldn’t they be interested? (IF it is something
» feasible, which is far enough down the road). Look at HT today versus
» 1985.
»
» “Most of the people on this forum know FAR more than the docs”? Do you
» really think that? That is just ludicrous. I think you are projecting your
» anger at having hair loss onto the docs who may not be able to give you
» exactly what you want.
»
» If they DID come on this board and cheerlead about this technology and
» then it DIDN’T work, I can only imagine the reaction. “They got our hopes
» up, they deluded us and mislead us, and now they can’t produce the
» results! How could they!” Think about it.
Hey guys,
First time poster, long time browser. lol…
This is kind of excited news… Whether it truly works or not can easily be determined, no? I would go with a test case of maybe a 100 FUE extractions from the DHT resistant donor area apply the cellular matrix and see if it works. Minimally invasive so no harm no foul.
Now to settle the question whether or not HT Docs should or shouldn’t be on board with this technology is pretty obvious. Of course they should!!! With unlimited donor supply as an option, patients will return indefinitely until their hairloss is no longer an issue. HT Docs will crank out more money per patient since there is more grafts to pull and every customer will be walking around with a big fat smile… A win win situation, love it…
Seriously, that would be awesome… You could also take this scenario a step further. If this concept comes into fruition then you can expect a price war between HT doc… Methodology for FUE procedures is pretty solid now a days so it can be taught easily in any medical school… It may be so common place that it could be comparative to say, going to the dentist twice a year? Wow, that would be nice…
EGAD!!!
I get it now.
Raptor,
I had just skimmed what you wrote before, no wonder I didnt’ “get it”.
Basically folks,
the extracellular matrix allows for growth of wounded skin and even tissues BELOW THE SKIN in a embryonic-type way (like when you were a fetus).
They showed someone who had a HOLE in his foot from a bullet wound, applied the extracellular matrix, and the the WHOLE DAMNED FOOT REGREW LIKE A JESUS MIRACLE. A guy lost half a finger, applied the ACELL, and the FINGER GREW BACK whole, right along with its genetic instructions like a salamander that lost its tail will grow it back.
What Raptor is simply saying for the DOCS (Fit2betied, this means you) is that taking a small cm2 or two of flesh and attempting this for a TEST, might make some transplantation practice UBER-happy if the results were that the portion of scalp removed (hey, less than a postage stamp) REGREW with brand new DHT-resistant donor area hair. The hair REMOVED, much like a STRIP transplant could be dissected like a regular strip transplant, and implanted by a surgical team professionally UP front.
This could be the biggest boon for the HT-industry EVER in a way. Men could piecemeal get small transplants, only to have the donor area that was extracted regrow perfectly as they balded, and have the donor hair treated just like a strip surgery (although probably a small surgery in most cases) over and over for years as they balded, with total donor regrowth.
ITs definitely worth trying once on someone. You could even test it on an area of dense body hair to see if the body hair area regrew or at the nape of the neck.
Just watch the video once. It really is amazing (and Im very hard to impress when it comes to such things, as I have read hairloss websites since 2001). The other theraputic therapies for wounds is unreal.
Raptor, I hope you can repost in the HM forum, and address it (attn. James Bond, or John the Revelator)…even if it didn’t work out for hair, its a terrific medical advance and a testament to the ability of stem cells to “do their thing”.
I see no video link
» EGAD!!!
»
» I get it now.
»
» Raptor,
»
» I had just skimmed what you wrote before, no wonder I didnt’ “get it”.
»
»
»
» Basically folks,
» the extracellular matrix allows for growth of wounded skin and
» even tissues BELOW THE SKIN in a embryonic-type way (like when you were a
» fetus).
» They showed someone who had a HOLE in his foot from a bullet wound,
» applied the extracellular matrix, and the the WHOLE DAMNED FOOT REGREW
» LIKE A JESUS MIRACLE. A guy lost half a finger, applied the ACELL, and the
» FINGER GREW BACK whole, right along with its genetic instructions like a
» salamander that lost its tail will grow it back.
»
»
»
» What Raptor is simply saying for the DOCS (Fit2betied, this means you) is
» that taking a small cm2 or two of flesh and attempting this for a TEST,
» might make some transplantation practice UBER-happy if the results were
» that the portion of scalp removed (hey, less than a postage stamp) REGREW
» with brand new DHT-resistant donor area hair. The hair REMOVED, much like
» a STRIP transplant could be dissected like a regular strip transplant, and
» implanted by a surgical team professionally UP front.
»
»
» This could be the biggest boon for the HT-industry EVER in a way. Men
» could piecemeal get small transplants, only to have the donor area that
» was extracted regrow perfectly as they balded, and have the donor hair
» treated just like a strip surgery (although probably a small surgery in
» most cases) over and over for years as they balded, with total donor
» regrowth.
»
»
»
» ITs definitely worth trying once on someone. You could even test it on an
» area of dense body hair to see if the body hair area regrew or at the nape
» of the neck.
»
»
»
» Just watch the video once. It really is amazing (and Im very hard to
» impress when it comes to such things, as I have read hairloss websites
» since 2001). The other theraputic therapies for wounds is unreal.
»
»
»
» Raptor, I hope you can repost in the HM forum, and address it (attn. James
» Bond, or John the Revelator)…even if it didn’t work out for
» hair, its a terrific medical advance and a testament to the ability of
» stem cells to “do their thing”.
Benji,
Thanks for your reply. I, too, am excited about this technology. It is frustrating to me that we have waited for years for a “limitless” supply of hair (either from HM or from a procedure such as this) for years and people seem to show little interest in ACELL. The bottom line is that we all want full heads of hair, no matter how we get it. This may or may not be a solution, but it is worth at least looking into more closely. Furthermore, as stated earlier, I beleive that most HT doctors will just use procedures currently available to them. As newer techniques become available to them, they will incorporate them into their practice (they will be forced to learn the new procedures into their practice if their competition uses these new techniques) but, for the most part, most are not that interested in new technology. Because of this, I believe IT IS UP TO US to be our own advocates. I get my haircuts at NUHart hair clinics in Pittsburgh and I mentioned ACELL to them during my last visit…they had never heard of this company (and UPMC- in Pittsburgh- is involved in the study of this product). This is why I would like to see others on this forum at least investigate this product more closely and make others aware of it.
I would have no problem if you try to make members in the HM forum aware of this product. You are a respected member of this forum who posts here often. Maybe you can get them to listen. I have no vested interest in this company…I’m just a guy with thinning hair who wants his hair back.
Take Care
» EGAD!!!
»
» I get it now.
»
» Raptor,
»
» I had just skimmed what you wrote before, no wonder I didnt’ “get it”.
»
»
»
» Basically folks,
» the extracellular matrix allows for growth of wounded skin and
» even tissues BELOW THE SKIN in a embryonic-type way (like when you were a
» fetus).
» They showed someone who had a HOLE in his foot from a bullet wound,
» applied the extracellular matrix, and the the WHOLE DAMNED FOOT REGREW
» LIKE A JESUS MIRACLE. A guy lost half a finger, applied the ACELL, and the
» FINGER GREW BACK whole, right along with its genetic instructions like a
» salamander that lost its tail will grow it back.
»
»
»
» What Raptor is simply saying for the DOCS (Fit2betied, this means you) is
» that taking a small cm2 or two of flesh and attempting this for a TEST,
» might make some transplantation practice UBER-happy if the results were
» that the portion of scalp removed (hey, less than a postage stamp) REGREW
» with brand new DHT-resistant donor area hair. The hair REMOVED, much like
» a STRIP transplant could be dissected like a regular strip transplant, and
» implanted by a surgical team professionally UP front.
»
»
» This could be the biggest boon for the HT-industry EVER in a way. Men
» could piecemeal get small transplants, only to have the donor area that
» was extracted regrow perfectly as they balded, and have the donor hair
» treated just like a strip surgery (although probably a small surgery in
» most cases) over and over for years as they balded, with total donor
» regrowth.
»
»
»
» ITs definitely worth trying once on someone. You could even test it on an
» area of dense body hair to see if the body hair area regrew or at the nape
» of the neck.
»
»
»
» Just watch the video once. It really is amazing (and Im very hard to
» impress when it comes to such things, as I have read hairloss websites
» since 2001). The other theraputic therapies for wounds is unreal.
»
»
»
» Raptor, I hope you can repost in the HM forum, and address it (attn. James
» Bond, or John the Revelator)…even if it didn’t work out for
» hair, its a terrific medical advance and a testament to the ability of
» stem cells to “do their thing”.
I don’t get it. I just watched the video. This kind of news, if its for real, is groundbreaking. Why isn’t this technology being discussed all over the media instead of some local Cleveland broadcast? I consider myself a news junkie and I never heard of this before Raptor brought it to our attention. Really- what gives?
» I just contacted them. Maybe they’ll let me use their stuff on my FUE donor
» region.
Here is their reply. I don’t know why they can’t let me be a trial patient:
Thank you for your interest in ACell’s regenerative medicine technology. Unfortunately our product is not yet available. We have been involved in patent litigation for the past four years which has delayed our progress as a company. We recently won on all counts of the case and will be moving forward in the future with product manufacturing and clinical studies.
We intend to investigate ACell’s potential in many medical applications which could eventually include hair regeneration. This would most likely require a surgical procedure, but further study is needed to find the best method.
We will post news of product availability and research updates on our web site, www.acell.com.
» » I just contacted them. Maybe they’ll let me use their stuff on my FUE
» donor
» » region.
»
» Here is their reply. I don’t know why they can’t let me be a trial
» patient:
»
» Thank you for your interest in ACell’s regenerative medicine technology.
» Unfortunately our product is not yet available. We have been involved in
» patent litigation for the past four years which has delayed our progress
» as a company. We recently won on all counts of the case and will be moving
» forward in the future with product manufacturing and clinical studies.
»
» We intend to investigate ACell’s potential in many medical applications
» which could eventually include hair regeneration. This would most likely
» require a surgical procedure, but further study is needed to find the best
» method.
»
» We will post news of product availability and research updates on our web
» site, www.acell.com.
Thanks for the info. I’m sure they will be checking out applications in the cosmetic field…that’s where the money is. I’m glad you contacted them. The more they are contacted about this, the more they will realize it’s importance.
I still can’t understand why doctors can’t use it right now, though. If it is already being used in wound healing, what is the difference if it is used in wound healing that happens to grow hair (i.e. Wound healing in the donor region).
Yeah I will call them tomorrow instead of emailing. Too bad I live in CA and they are in MD.
» I still can’t understand why doctors can’t use it right now, though. If
» it is already being used in wound healing, what is the difference if it is
» used in wound healing that happens to grow hair (i.e. Wound healing
» in the donor region).
They should be able to. Minoxidil could be custom prescribed prior to being FDA approved to treat hair loss because it was approved for treating hypertension. Same thing with Dutasteride/Avodart and Finasteride/Propecia.
This is really exciting news, but I think it’d be better to use this with FUE than with a normal transplant. Consider that with FUE you have many tiny little wounds about 1mm in size from where the follicle has been removed, you could then apply the extracellular matrix into that 1mm wound. This should regrow a new follicle in this space.
But what form does the extracellular matrix take? Would its application size be too big for the tiny wounds left by FUE?
I’d rather have things done this way, than by cutting a massive strip ala normal strip transplant.
Some of the HT doctors are beginning to take notice of this product. It can possibly be a way to eliminate strip scars with HT surgery and (even better ) it may be a way to produce a limitless donor supply. Please stay posted on this subject and check out the posts about it in the HM forum.
Dr. Arvind,
It seems to me that you are one of the few doctors that is agressively seeking better alternatives for hair loss sufferers. Have you checked out ACELL yet? It seems like it could possibly provide a limitless donor supply for HT patients. I know that there is at least one other HT doctor that is researching this product. It may benefit your patients and your practice.
Here is a link to the company:
And an article about the product:
http://webreprints.djreprints.com/1646641311092.html
And a great video about the product:
And some case studies involving animals:
I was just wondering what your opinion about this product is and if you think it may serve any purpose in HT surgery?
Thanks in Advance,
Raptor
Dear Raptor,
Thank you for sending these links.
If this technology works, then it is worth further research.
What intrigues me most is this link.
I agree that using it in a open strip wound may not be the preferential line of trial. Using it for the fue wounds will make more sense.
Regards,
Dr. A
» Dear Raptor,
» Thank you for sending these links.
»
» If this technology works, then it is worth further research.
»
» What intrigues me most is this link.
» Urinary Bladder Matrix (UBM) Technology
»
» I agree that using it in a open strip wound may not be the preferential
» line of trial. Using it for the fue wounds will make more sense.
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A
Dr. Arvind,
Thank you for your reply on this issue. I hope that this product can benefit the HT industry. I was definately impressed with the pics.
Thank You,
Raptor
» » Dear Raptor,
» » Thank you for sending these links.
» »
» » If this technology works, then it is worth further research.
» »
» » What intrigues me most is this link.
» » Urinary Bladder Matrix (UBM) Technology
» »
» » I agree that using it in a open strip wound may not be the preferential
» » line of trial. Using it for the fue wounds will make more sense.
» »
» » Regards,
» » Dr. A
»
»
» Dr. Arvind,
»
» Thank you for your reply on this issue. I hope that this product can
» benefit the HT industry. I was definately impressed with the pics.
»
» Thank You,
» Raptor
Dr. Arvind,
I was just wondering if you had a chance to investigate Acell more closely and what you thought about it if you did.
Thanks,
Raptor
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