» » » A typical “full density appearance” transplant is gonna represent
» barely
» » » half the original # of hairs. The clinic will give you 50-65% of
» what
» » was
» » » originally there, and if you’re lucky then the majority of those
» grafts
» » » will actually survive. (I personally do not believe the kinds of
» » figures
» » » that are commonly preached in the HT industry. Strip graft survival
» is
» » bad
» » » enough, but then we even get FUE clinics throwing around numbers like
» » 97%
» » » survival . . . no way.)
» » »
» » »
» » » So how does 10-15% compare to 50-60%? About a quarter as much of it.
»
» » »
» » » So hypothetically, if you had enough donor grafts to cover 75% of
» your
» » » balding area with full-looking density, then you would be able to
» » complete
» » » the job if you had Aderans delivering another 10-15% growth from the
» » whole
» » » balding area.
» » »
» » » This is not exactly the end of MPB as we know it, but it’s progress.
» » » Real, measurable, usable, progress.
» » »
» » » And I personally think this is probably the least amount of hair that
» » ARI
» » » is likely to provide. This is talking about if the procedure works
» to
» » the
» » » bare miniumum at all, and we’re not assuming any repeat-session
» » compounding
» » » ability whatsoever.
» »
» » Thats my point and throw Histogen into the mix if they can come up with
» » something it could be a case that these 3 treatments can provide 1
» strong
» » overall treatment, not cure, but treatment that will prove very
» beneficial.
»
» So you guys assume, that just with ARI’s and/or Histogen’s approaches
» ALONE, you will NOT get such results as the people in this video?
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI
»
» You think, you (e.g. NW4 - NW6-7 candidates) would need traditional hair
» transplants in addition?
I really do not know. i suppose in an ideal world either one will produce a full head of hair on their own or even both together. Worst case is neither work at all, hopefully that is not the case. so what i’m sayin is if this 10 to 15% mark is what it produces and histogen is something similar well at least its something. 30% would be very very significant and if needs be coupled with a HT could give basically a full head of hair. Admittedly these are guess figures, the point being that a treatment that can produce these figures seems to be deemed a failure on these boards when in fact it could turn out to be a fantastic treatment. We are all guessing here none of us know the full figures or full procedure but we may be lucky.
NW#3, NW#7, it doesn’t matter. 20% regrowth is only 20% regrowth for a given area. You can’t get 20% regrowth from HM and then start picking & choosing where to concentrate the X-number of grafts.
Even if the patient is a NW#2 just trying to fill in his temples, he still needs HTs. He walks out of the Aderans treatments only getting his bald temple skin 20% re-covered. He only gets a relatively small total number of grafts from HM in this case. The other 30-80% density that he wants in the temple areas will have to come from transplants.
Whereas a shiny bald NW#7, he will get a TON of new hair from HM. He gets that same 20%-density of regrowth throughout his entire 7 Norwoods worth of bald skin. But he still needs conventional HTs too, because he still only gets anything 20% covered with HM. The other 30-80% has to come from conventional HTs.
All this is assuming Aderans gets 20% regrowth and it cannot be repeat-session compounded on the same spot.
If they can get unlimited compounding on a given area, then we probably won’t need HTs at all.
Each session might only get 20% regrowth, but if you get it done 5x on the same area of skin then everything is back at 100% density again.
COMPOUNDING. COMPOUNDING. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE COMPOUNDING!
THIS QUESTION IS UTTERLY CRITICAL! IT’S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PERCENTAGES FROM A GIVEN ROUND!
» NW#3, NW#7, it doesn’t matter. 20% regrowth is only 20% regrowth for a
» given area. You can’t get 20% regrowth from HM and then start picking &
» choosing where to concentrate the X-number of grafts.
»
» Even if the patient is a NW#2 just trying to fill in his temples, he still
» needs HTs. He walks out of the Aderans treatments only getting his bald
» temple skin 20% re-covered. He only gets a relatively small total number
» of grafts from HM in this case. The other 30-80% density that he wants in
» the temple areas will have to come from transplants.
»
» Whereas a shiny bald NW#7, he will get a TON of new hair from HM. He gets
» that same 20%-density of regrowth throughout his entire 7 Norwoods worth of
» bald skin. But he still needs conventional HTs too, because he still only
» gets anything 20% covered with HM. The other 30-80% has to come from
» conventional HTs.
»
» All this is assuming Aderans gets 20% regrowth and it cannot be
» repeat-session compounded on the same spot.
»
»
»
»
»
» If they can get unlimited compounding on a given area, then we probably
» won’t need HTs at all.
»
» Each session might only get 20% regrowth, but if you get it done 5x on the
» same area of skin then everything is back at 100% density again.
»
»
»
»
» COMPOUNDING. COMPOUNDING. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE
» COMPOUNDING!
»
» THIS QUESTION IS UTTERLY CRITICAL! IT’S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE
» PERCENTAGES FROM A GIVEN ROUND!
»
»
»
» .
yeah i agree with this and maybe i should have made it clearer what i meant. if we take a norwood 7 and aderans gives back 15% of original hair i agree that tis will most likely be spread over the entire bald area and not concentrated to one area. Now consider that histogen also comes to the market and through a different procedure can also get 15% spread throughout the scalp then yes it would take some work with HT to fill in the gaps as it were. Again this is not an ideal treatment as such but could still produce marvellous results in the hands of the right HT surgeon.
relax guys, there will be plenty ways to get your hair back. First of all never forget that ARI and Histogen are first aiming for a full vertex are, which is the key thing in future hair loss fighting.
If you can fill the vertex area forever, then you can use a traditional FUE to fill the front and throw away rogaine and FIN
» » NW#3, NW#7, it doesn’t matter. 20% regrowth is only 20% regrowth for a
» » given area. You can’t get 20% regrowth from HM and then start picking
» &
» » choosing where to concentrate the X-number of grafts.
» »
» » Even if the patient is a NW#2 just trying to fill in his temples, he
» still
» » needs HTs. He walks out of the Aderans treatments only getting his
» bald
» » temple skin 20% re-covered. He only gets a relatively small total
» number
» » of grafts from HM in this case. The other 30-80% density that he wants
» in
» » the temple areas will have to come from transplants.
» »
» » Whereas a shiny bald NW#7, he will get a TON of new hair from HM. He
» gets
» » that same 20%-density of regrowth throughout his entire 7 Norwoods worth
» of
» » bald skin. But he still needs conventional HTs too, because he still
» only
» » gets anything 20% covered with HM. The other 30-80% has to come from
» » conventional HTs.
» »
» » All this is assuming Aderans gets 20% regrowth and it cannot be
» » repeat-session compounded on the same spot.
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » If they can get unlimited compounding on a given area, then we probably
» » won’t need HTs at all.
» »
» » Each session might only get 20% regrowth, but if you get it done 5x on
» the
» » same area of skin then everything is back at 100% density again.
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » COMPOUNDING. COMPOUNDING. IT’S ALL ABOUT
» THE
» » COMPOUNDING!
» »
» » THIS QUESTION IS UTTERLY CRITICAL! IT’S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE
» » PERCENTAGES FROM A GIVEN ROUND!
» »
» »
» »
» » .
»
» yeah i agree with this and maybe i should have made it clearer what i
» meant. if we take a norwood 7 and aderans gives back 15% of original hair i
» agree that tis will most likely be spread over the entire bald area and not
» concentrated to one area. Now consider that histogen also comes to the
» market and through a different procedure can also get 15% spread throughout
» the scalp then yes it would take some work with HT to fill in the gaps as
» it were. Again this is not an ideal treatment as such but could still
» produce marvellous results in the hands of the right HT surgeon.
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