ICX is down 13.3% today on stock market, looks like everyone has given up hope!
» ICX is down 13.3% today on stock market, looks like everyone has given up
» hope!
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» » ICX is down 13.3% today on stock market, looks like everyone has given
» up
» » hope!
»
» Of course they have, because there is no hope. But lets hear all the
» dillusional ostriches stick their heads in the sand and tell us how this
» is actually a good sign.
it is nice to see that there is a chorus of guys joining the …you guys are delusional…side
I used to be the only one…I was berated, insulted, called psychotic…pessimistic, a troublemaker. and was constantly asked not to post here for a while, by David, because all the delusional ones whined to him so much, about me spoiling their cheerleader party for ICX
when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume that it has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
» when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume that it
» has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
+1
I was going to say the same thing.
"it is nice to see that there is a chorus of guys joining the …you guys are delusional…side
I used to be the only one…I was berated, insulted, called psychotic…pessimistic, a troublemaker. and was constantly asked not to post here for a while, by David, because all the delusional ones whined to him so much, about me spoiling their cheerleader party for ICX"
Delusional is not a word that I would choose to use in this case. Overly-optimistic, maybe. This (ICX) is no different than every other “big” hairloss breakthrough that has come down the pike. If you go back and read the same, endless discussions about Dutasteride and Propecia and even minoxidil, they all have the same optimism in common. I don’t personally see anything wrong with guys getting hyped over possible treatments when there is nothing else to get hyped over. The whole point to this forum is to discuss possible HM treatments. If you view someones beliefs as “delusional”, then you obviously see HM as a pipe dream and have no need to provide your input to a forum that was set up to provide hope. This is completely about HOPE, no matter how misplaced you think it is. I believe that it is also quite naive to think that HM will never be a reality when they have, indeed, gotten hair to grow from injected cells - a HUGE feat in itself. It may not have gone from drawing board to a full head of Fabio hair overnight, but it certainly has made progress. This cannot be denied by even the most stringent naysayer. It is also foolish to believe that Intercytex came up with this grand scheme to dupe the world and is out to scam people - that is just silly. What do they really have to gain by being seen as complete failures in the end?
» when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume that it
» has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
Its probably cos they havent delivered what was promised !
» » when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume that
» it
» » has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
»
» +1
»
» I was going to say the same thing.
what major event has happened in the company that would affect stock price period…in the last 2 weeks
that large of a change, negative stock loss of price in one day, is extremely unusual and is almost always accompanied by a major announcement of bad news by the company. Hell thats almost one sixth of the stock value evaporated in ONE DAY
the only thing that it could be is the decision to not pursue funding with ICX and stop the research unless they find a partner
is there something else that happened with one of their other products we are not aware of? if not then the stock price certainly is nosediving because of the failure to come through with their promises on ICX
» “it is nice to see that there is a chorus of guys joining the …you
» guys are delusional…side
»
» I used to be the only one…I was berated, insulted, called
» psychotic…pessimistic, a troublemaker. and was constantly asked not
» to post here for a while, by David, because all the delusional ones whined
» to him so much, about me spoiling their cheerleader party for ICX”
»
»
» Delusional is not a word that I would choose to use in this case.
» Overly-optimistic, maybe. This (ICX) is no different than every other
» “big” hairloss breakthrough that has come down the pike. If you go back
» and read the same, endless discussions about Dutasteride and Propecia and
» even minoxidil, they all have the same optimism in common. I don’t
» personally see anything wrong with guys getting hyped over possible
» treatments when there is nothing else to get hyped over. The whole point
» to this forum is to discuss possible HM treatments. If you view someones
» beliefs as “delusional”, then you obviously see HM as a pipe dream and have
» no need to provide your input to a forum that was set up to provide hope.
» This is completely about HOPE, no matter how misplaced you think it is. I
» believe that it is also quite naive to think that HM will never be a
» reality when they have, indeed, gotten hair to grow from injected cells -
» a HUGE feat in itself. It may not have gone from drawing board to a full
» head of Fabio hair overnight, but it certainly has made progress. This
» cannot be denied by even the most stringent naysayer. It is also foolish
» to believe that Intercytex came up with this grand scheme to dupe the
» world and is out to scam people - that is just silly. What do they really
» have to gain by being seen as complete failures in the end?
Jtel there is nothing wrong with hope
however if I was the type to put my life on hold and hang my dreams of a cure to my hair loss problem on some company, I would approach it with the same cautious optimism, that I would approach someone who walked through the dcor with a business proposal asking for a loan or for me to invest in their idea.
I would grill the person ask a lot of questions, and ask for proof, that the plan works.
That is what I was pushing on this board, proof that ICX was onto something, . Any company can claim that they are on the cusp of success with a product or treatment method. where is the proof, where is the raw data, where are the photos, the hair counts, etc etc. ICX provided none of this, and the board just made excuses for them.
In the end they never did provide this information and now guys are begging them to answer all these questions.
Now, I like anyone on the board, would be thrilled for HM to come to fruition. Who would not be happy for it to be a success. Certainly I would . That is the mistake you guys make, to assume because I am skeptical of this company that I think HM will never work. That is not the case. I just think that scientists are nowhere near the point where they have solved the complex issues involved, and I felt that it was , yes delusional to discuss HM coming out in the next few years.
Turns out I was right. It is not the fault of the skeptical guys when HM doesnt work, if they are going to solve this problem they will do it regardless of the few skeptics out there. I just think this board treaded the line, and still does, between optimistic and delusional.
at this point in time , yes i do think HM is just a pipe dream. That does not mean it is incapable of working, It just means, that it is perhaps 20 yrs or more in the future, if not further…IMHO
» when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume that it
» has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
Unbelievable.
Why don’t you guys get excited about Follica? At least there might actually be something to that research.
» Why don’t you guys get excited about Follica?
why we have to be excited about Follica? 'cause Cotsarelis looks pretty nice? we have nothing to be excited, just a patent and many hair growth up on the back of a mice 
Follica…I doubt it…what is going to make the hair that may grow from Follica DHT resistant ??? It is going to recruit stem cells to the “wounded” area that have the same genetics as that hair that was lost originally…it will just fall out again…let along that apparently the hair grows in unpigmented…and if I remember correctly, unpigmented hair cant be dyed…it wont take on any, or mabe very little color…so get excited about dumping all of your savings into getting temporary white hair if ya want to…but it doesnt sound that great to me
and for those who say it will take another 18, 19, or 25 years to do so (what ever age they started losing their hair)…get real…it only took that long the first time bacuse your body wasnt producing the testosterone necessary to cause hairloss before maturity…But unfortunatally we are all mature now…and our hairloss would most likely resume immediately…
and go back for another Follica treatment, over and over again ??? This procedure requires wounding…which will produce scar tissue…each procedure will only produce less and less hair…eventually producing “scared up freaks”
» Follica…I doubt it…what is going to make the hair that may grow
» from Follica DHT resistant ??? It is going to recruit stem cells to the
» “wounded” area that have the same genetics as that hair that was lost
» originally…it will just fall out again…let along that apparently
» the hair grows in unpigmented…and if I remember correctly,
» unpigmented hair cant be dyed…it wont take on any, or mabe very little
» color…so get excited about dumping all of your savings into getting
» temporary white hair if ya want to…but it doesnt sound that great
» to me
The hair probably would not be resistant to DHT however they should have pigmentation
»
»
» and for those who say it will take another 18, 19, or 25 years to do so
» (what ever age they started losing their hair)…get real…it only took
» that long the first time bacuse your body wasnt producing the testosterone
» necessary to cause hairloss before maturity…But unfortunatally we are
» all mature now…and our hairloss would most likely resume
» immediately…
We probably would have to get onto a internal or topical DHT inhibitor to keep the new head of hair
»
»
» and go back for another Follica treatment, over and over again ??? This
» procedure requires wounding…which will produce scar tissue…each
» procedure will only produce less and less hair…eventually producing
» “scared up freaks”
Depends on the depth of skin they are removing…its quite common for women to get Light/Medium peels over & over on their Faces to rejuvinate the skin…so if anything the FOllica treatment should improve scalp health!
Take a look at the last 5 trades. Looks like 62,500 shares were cashed in at 5 different times today, for total value of 26,905 Pounds (>$53,000 USD).
I’m guessing the trades were either due to info posted on this forum, or some folks out there know something we don’t and are just dumping their shares before the value of stock drops further. Otherwise, why weren’t the shares traded immediately after the update?
This makes me wonder whether there’s any corelation between the drop and JB’s sudden/urgent request for questions from the board members. I’m curious as to whether we’ll get an explanation over the next few days.
» and if I remember correctly, unpigmented hair cant be dyed…
Maybe I don’t know what you mean, but non-pigmented hair can certainly be dyed.
» and for those who say it will take another 18, 19, or 25 years to do so
» (what ever age they started losing their hair)…get real…it only took
» that long the first time bacuse your body wasnt producing the testosterone
» necessary to cause hairloss before maturity
It’s a little more complicated than this. Balding is at least partially controlled by a genetic clock within hair follicles. Some men don’t bald until their 40s and 50s, and they certainly had plenty of hormones for decades prior to that point. Also, baldness occurs gradually over time and in a pattern – if all that was required was a certain hormone threshold, all DHT-suspectible hair follicles would succumb at once, probably immediately after puberty.
Dr. Hamilton also notes the time/clock component of MPB in some of his landmark work. He noted that old men who were castrated at a young age (long before balding set in – and thus they have a full head of hair in old age), will go bald extremely rapidly if they are given androgen…within 6 months. In other words, the process doesn’t just pick up where it left off – the clock keeps ticking even when the follicles are perfectly healthy and totally preserved from MPB.
The big question is, where will the ‘clock’ of these newly-created follicles be set?
» But unfortunatally we are all mature now…and our hairloss would most
» likely resume immediately…
This is certainly possible. One potential way around this would be to use standard treatments to maintain the hair (finasteride, minoxidil, etc.) It’s also possible that they could be DHT-resistant for some period of time. We don’t know yet.
As I understood it, the unpigmented hair is one of the things they’ve already dealt with. They figured out when to shield the follicles from certain WNT expression and it fixed the problem.
The Follica method seems very likely to produce good hair right away. But I think the DHT susceptibility will probably still be there just like before.
Follica implied that the new hairs might not have the big DHT susceptibility like before, but right now I see nothing beyond wishful thinking to base that idea on.
Does it really matter that much though? DHT susceptible or not?
Dermabrasion doesn’t permanently mess up your skin as long as it’s done right. No blood and no scar tissue. (That’s the principle of the whole dermabrasion industry.)
As long as the hairs have enough DHT resistance to last at least several years, then we’re still sitting prettier than before. We’d be in one hell of a lot better MPB situation than we are right now. I want DHT invulnerability as much as the next guy, but right now I’d settle for just covering my whole friggin’ head with hair again.
» I want DHT
» invulnerability as much as the next guy, but right now I’d settle for just
» covering my whole friggin’ head with hair again.
Come to think of it…If Follica procedure is successfull in giving us a full head of hair albeit still prone to baldness…then we cold get TRC procedure to sort of upgrade the DP cells in new follicles effectively making them DHT resistant???
» » » when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume
» that
» » it
» » » has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
» »
» » +1
» »
» » I was going to say the same thing.
»
» what major event has happened in the company that would affect stock price
» period…in the last 2 weeks
»
» that large of a change, negative stock loss of price in one day, is
» extremely unusual and is almost always accompanied by a major
» announcement of bad news by the company. Hell thats almost one sixth of
» the stock value evaporated in ONE DAY
»
» the only thing that it could be is the decision to not pursue funding with
» ICX and stop the research unless they find a partner
»
» is there something else that happened with one of their other products we
» are not aware of? if not then the stock price certainly is nosediving
» because of the failure to come through with their promises on ICX
Bollocks, , i’ve never heard of such crap in my life
when did they say they were going to release TRC in march 2008 ?
They’ve grown new hair and they say only a small biopsy is needed to create a full hear of hair ? How is this bad news ?
They say there is small risk attached to TRC. How is this bad news ?
“We believe the continued development of ICX-TRC would best be carried out in partnership with a specialist in the aesthetics field.” Partnership means when 2 people/companies work together. 1 provides the ammunition and the other makes use of it. Intercytex wants someone to carry out the procedures.
The only bad news there is is created on this forum
» » » » when intercytex stock falls why does everyone automatically assume
» » that
» » » it
» » » » has something to do with TRC ??? They have 3 more products too.
» » »
» » » +1
» » »
» » » I was going to say the same thing.
» »
» » what major event has happened in the company that would affect stock
» price
» » period…in the last 2 weeks
» »
» » that large of a change, negative stock loss of price in one day, is
» » extremely unusual and is almost always accompanied by a major
» » announcement of bad news by the company. Hell thats almost one sixth of
» » the stock value evaporated in ONE DAY
» »
» » the only thing that it could be is the decision to not pursue funding
» with
» » ICX and stop the research unless they find a partner
» »
» » is there something else that happened with one of their other products
» we
» » are not aware of? if not then the stock price certainly is nosediving
» » because of the failure to come through with their promises on ICX
»
»
»
» Bollocks, , i’ve never heard of such crap in my life
»
» when did they say they were going to release TRC in march 2008 ?
»
» They’ve grown new hair and they say only a small biopsy is needed to
» create a full hear of hair ? How is this bad news ?
»
» They say there is small risk attached to TRC. How is this bad news ?
»
»
»
» “We believe the continued development of ICX-TRC would best be carried out
» in partnership with a specialist in the aesthetics field.” Partnership
» means when 2 people/companies work together. 1 provides the ammunition and
» the other makes use of it. Intercytex wants someone to carry out the
» procedures.
»
» The only bad news there is is created on this forum
yes you are right, thanks for straightening us out on that
hairsite members are surely the only people who share this view…none of the stockholders could possibly think this way…
must be just a coincidence the stock dived almost 15 percent IN ONE DAY
whew thank god for guys like you to set us on the right path
» Take a look at the last 5 trades. Looks like 62,500 shares were cashed in
» at 5 different times today, for total value of 26,905 Pounds (>$53,000
» USD).
»
» http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/pricesnews/prices/System/DetailedPrices.htm?ti=ICX#PriceChart
»
»
» I’m guessing the trades were either due to info posted on this forum, or
» some folks out there know something we don’t and are just dumping their
» shares before the value of stock drops further. Otherwise, why weren’t
» the shares traded immediately after the update?
»
» This makes me wonder whether there’s any corelation between the drop and
» JB’s sudden/urgent request for questions from the board members. I’m
» curious as to whether we’ll get an explanation over the next few days.
could it be perhaps that the board owner or one of the many docs who reside on the board…some of whom presumably could well afford the investment…dumped their shares
just a thought
remember how we were chided for speculating on ICX
the reason for this, is still unknown