This is nothing new, but I thought I would post it anyways as it is not so far away.
“By the end of March 2008 we expect to announce preliminary 12 week data on up to 16 subjects in total and preliminary 24 week data on up to 10 subjects.”
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» This is nothing new, but I thought I would post it anyways as it is not so
» far away.
»
» “By the end of March 2008 we expect to announce preliminary 12 week data
» on up to 16 subjects in total and preliminary 24 week data on up to 10
» subjects.”
Only 12 weeks and 24 weeks? For some reason I thought they have been testing for a year on the subjects. Wasn’t it last spring when they started phase II ? Its’ exactly a year now.
in september or october, i don’t remember, they post the INTERMEDIATE results… so don’t expect photos or incredible results… but if the work it’s near the finish, we could have some ideas of this in march…
If we dont have pictures by the end of the year this means that they are really far away from the final solution
» If we dont have pictures by the end of the year this means that they are
» really far away from the final solution
i think the same, but i don’t wanna wait the end of this year, i think that now in march it’s the occasion for ICX to demonstrate that they are not kidding people, if they release again “crazy” insiginificant results like the last report i think that they are far far away from a significant result… and this mean lose of credibility… so icx, it’s your last chance to prove that you are working…
» » If we dont have pictures by the end of the year this means that they are
» » really far away from the final solution
» i think the same, but i don’t wanna wait the end of this year, i think
» that now in march it’s the occasion for ICX to demonstrate that they are
» not kidding people, if they release again “crazy” insiginificant results
» like the last report i think that they are far far away from a significant
» result… and this mean lose of credibility… so icx, it’s your last
» chance to prove that you are working…
You’re absolutely right; if ICX does not offer some significant, quantifiable and demonstrative data, their credibility will be shot. March will tell us whether or not ICX turns out to be just another Gho.
It’s funny like you guys try to extort or almost blackmail them :). It kinda reminds mi childhood, mostly girls were doing that to each other. I mean that: “If you don’t do this, we won’t be friends anymore!!!” :))
The fact is that they do not give a f**k what sick minded ppl like us think.
Research and trials take years and decades, and this wont change just because you need a cure now, so get over it and be prepared for not so amazing results in march. it would be pretty normal development. The trial will carry on for at least another year but possibly two or even more and I do not expect to see a signle head of hair. It would be pretty non standard clinical trial if it was so. They may release some photo of the 1sq inch area but that’s the most we can expect.
I have to yet to see a picture from some other human trial. Or has anyone seen propecia trial pictures???
hairlosser1: Hey Merck, If you do not show me the official trial pictures, everyone will stop using the drug and your company is going to bancrupt!!
hairlosser2: yeah dude, you’re so right, if they do not show the pictures government will sentence the director board for a life!! The scammers deserve that!
lol.
» It’s funny like you guys try to extort or almost blackmail them :). It
» kinda reminds mi childhood, mostly girls were doing that to each other. I
» mean that: “If you don’t do this, we won’t be friends anymore!!!” :))
»
» The fact is that they do not give a f**k what sick minded ppl like us
» think.
»
» Research and trials take years and decades, and this wont change just
» because you need a cure now, so get over it and be prepared for not so
» amazing results in march. it would be pretty normal development. The trial
» will carry on for at least another year but possibly two or even more and I
» do not expect to see a signle head of hair. It would be pretty non standard
» clinical trial if it was so. They may release some photo of the 1sq inch
» area but that’s the most we can expect.
»
» I have to yet to see a picture from some other human trial. Or has anyone
» seen propecia trial pictures???
»
»
» hairlosser1: Hey Merck, If you do not show me the official trial pictures,
» everyone will stop using the drug and your company is going to bancrupt!!
»
» hairlosser2: yeah dude, you’re so right, if they do not show the pictures
» government will sentence the director board for a life!! The scammers
» deserve that!
»
» lol.
No, u don’t understand me… i respond quickly because i don’t like “forum-polemics”… the fact is this: icx is years, years, not months, that is speaking about this research, and in all this time they have created an image of efficient and an hypotetical solution for a problem that a lot of people have, but without a solid demonstration, only words and generical “pdf” with strange numbers with no sense… I can accept this for a description of a phase1 of a study, where the only important fact is the safety. if you are looking for the safety i don’t pretend that you show me a picture with a great rate of success… but now, in march, if u don’t have understand this, the object of the phase 2 study speak about efficient, and efficient means to me that i want see images or scientific rational numbers that can prove to me that your works is serious and is growing… if they are again confusionary in MARCH, in the phase that have to improve efficient, i can believe only two things: you are kidding me, or you are far far away from a solution.
And, debris, remember that they are a trade company, and very often a trade company can make money only with a pubblic announcement, maybe with no scientific results, but with the illusion of a result near the door… but there is a moment that require prove, not words… (obvious it’s a general speach, not related to icx)
» » It’s funny like you guys try to extort or almost blackmail them :). It
» » kinda reminds mi childhood, mostly girls were doing that to each other.
» I
» » mean that: “If you don’t do this, we won’t be friends anymore!!!” :))
» »
» » The fact is that they do not give a f**k what sick minded ppl like us
» » think.
» »
» » Research and trials take years and decades, and this wont change just
» » because you need a cure now, so get over it and be prepared for not so
» » amazing results in march. it would be pretty normal development. The
» trial
» » will carry on for at least another year but possibly two or even more
» and I
» » do not expect to see a signle head of hair. It would be pretty non
» standard
» » clinical trial if it was so. They may release some photo of the 1sq
» inch
» » area but that’s the most we can expect.
» »
» » I have to yet to see a picture from some other human trial. Or has
» anyone
» » seen propecia trial pictures???
» »
» »
» » hairlosser1: Hey Merck, If you do not show me the official trial
» pictures,
» » everyone will stop using the drug and your company is going to
» bancrupt!!
» »
» » hairlosser2: yeah dude, you’re so right, if they do not show the
» pictures
» » government will sentence the director board for a life!! The scammers
» » deserve that!
» »
» » lol.
»
» And, debris, remember that they are a trade company, and very often a
» trade company can make money only with a pubblic announcement, maybe with
» no scientific results, but with the illusion of a result near the door…
» but there is a moment that require prove, not words… (obvious it’s a
» general speach, not related to icx)
I don’t think any of us is under the belief that ICX reads this board and worries about what we think. But as the above poster points out - correctly - they are a traded company. Like any other company that promises research results, if they don’t deliver, they will suffer. If Apple misses a deadline to release the next iphone, their stock takes a hit. ICX, being an unproven company trading for pennies, could suffer significant consequences on the market if they don’t offer at least some semblence of real, successful data. Given the kind of beating they’ve taken financially, their release of the data could be a make or break event for the nascant company. We’ll see soon enough.
I understand your rationale behind the pictures. But I think you are missing one important factor, it’s efficiency trial, yes. But the goal is to find efficient delivery technique, and for this you don’t need to aim for making nw6 back to nw1 not even near to that, possibly not even near to 1 nw improvement.
In fact I’d say they would never do anything like that. It’s too risky. It’s better to keep testing it on small areas in case something gets wrong and someone develops some complications. Their main goal is still safety even though the trial is already phase II. If they killed or seriously harmed anyone, their company ends that day and I’m retty sure they are aware of that.
Expect only the 1sq inch results in this report.
The price of the stock is not about ICX-TRC much at this point. It’s mainly about the most advanced products in their pipeline now, and about their financial state.
» I understand your rationale behind the pictures. But I think you are
» missing one important factor, it’s efficiency trial, yes. But the goal is
» to find efficient delivery technique, and for this you don’t need to aim
» for making nw6 back to nw1. In fact they would never do that I’d say. It’s
» too risky. It’s better to keep testing it on small areas in case something
» gets wrong and someone develops some complications. Their main goal is
» still safety even though the trial is already phase II. If they killed or
» seriously harmed anyone, their company ends that day and I’m retty sure
» they are aware of that.
»
» Expect only the 1sq inch results in this report.
Yes, i haven’t say that i want see a nw 6 with long hairs, but at the same time i don’t expect another illusionist report like the last… I want to know the precedent condition of one patient, and the condition of the same patient after 6 and 12 weeks, in 1 cm, it’s the same, but i want clear data that prove that trc is working, or is going to work better, if they don’t say nothing like this but only declaration of manager that say “in future we can do this ecc ecc ecc…” i think that it’s a big game… Am i wrong? I don’t believe…
from icx:
Phase II : the first trial in which the treatment is given to patients with the condition for which it is believed it will have some beneficial effect. Positive efficacy is often referred to as “clinical proof of concept”. This phase should conclude with evidence of whether the treatment works, which patient population to target and what is the optimal dose to strike a balance between beneficial effect and side effects.
As you can read the safety it’s not at the first place on a phase2, it’s at the same place of the EFFICACY… so i wanna read that the trc is sure, and it’s able to grow hair in a % efficacy with one patient, with other % in other patient… this is a respectable report, and is what i expect to see…I ask the impossible?
we can speak again the 18 march…
This is possible, but not probable. I understand what you mean so we’ll see.
its funny how people try to compare trc with rogaine when it shouldnt even be an issue
rogaine came out in 1988 that is 20 years ago and do you think technology has stood still between 1988 and 2008 ? all rogaine does is grow a few velus hairs, trc will grow a full head of hair even on norwood 7 provding he has some hair for biopsy at back
u can walk into pharmacy or off net and buy rogaine u cant do that with trc
u can use rogaine urself but with trc u need specialist
rogaine costs as little as $15 for bottle trc will cost $$$$
Oh yeah, I’ll compare ICX to Rogaine.
I’ll do that if ICX tells me I have to purchase and apply a gunky, irritating TRC-based foam to my head twice a day for the rest of my life.
And if any gains I got from TRC would be lost as soon as I stopped using the daily gunk.
And if TRC does nothing to slow down the DHT damage from continuing to accumulate.
And if my new hair is probably still gonna be slipping back below baseline within a few years anyway.
The stock on the OTCBB in the U.S. is very near its 52 week low. One would think there would be some lose lips, but maybe not or HOPEFULLY not.