I have gained over 40 pounds while waiting for a solution

Hair Transplant
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Well then fair enough Hanginthere, if you think that gho is a charlatane, why is he the prime clinic for burning victims to restore their hair?

There is no pie in the sky there, if you just take your time to understand the technique itself and why its working, but all the time you keep saying people are sc_am artists or so.

Thats in my opinion just plain unfair, you would never call a FUT surgeon sc_am even with knowing he could do a transplant with extending scar tissue. You bash all people who are willing to do research! For what, what is your purpose here. I can accept your opinion but just dont attack mine on the lowest level possible.

To me there is only one group of charlatanes right now, the group of docs who are NOT WILLING to actually do something for their patients. Only because for some reasons you dont need or want your hair, you shouldnt put this finger on the rest of us. What you sir, failed to understand here is, that with progression, all repair patients could be helped big time, but selfish guys wouldnt understand this.

And yes hairloss is reversible, if you would have read all the links i posted (not even Gho related) you would get the understanding of this instead of arguing with me all the time over facts which are just true and you cannot debunk em.

The proof for reversing hairloss is Histogen, but even there i clearly said, that they should figure out how to make the injection more solid instead of too liquid in the first place. I guess you missed that memo because you were preparing another attack against me.

Anyways, are you familiar with hair follicles and hair as an organ? Are you familiar with what stem cells do and how they can be manipulated?

Do you know what Donor dominance is?

If not, just read. You always say you just live your life and you dont care about stuff goimg on, but why are you keep answering and attacking my arguments here. If anything for you would be not interested for you, you would just ignore it because it has no personal effect on you

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Hair is important. Getting all of it back will lead to a happier life.

Nobody wants to be balding if they had the choice. It is a disease that makes a man look uglier and uglier by the day the more it progresses.

However there are no good options available at the moment. Best we have is getting on Avodart as soon as hair loss is detected. Once you lose your hair listening to snake oil con men and hair guru, you are sunk.

Hair transplants even if done right run the risk of your existing hair falling out leaving you chasing ever more transplants or looking like a freak.

I can’t understand how people can have a 3000 graft hair transplant and not take Propecia/Avodart. What do they think will be the state of their head in 5 years with DHT attacking their follicles leaving behind transplanted hairs here and there.

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» Hair is important. Getting all of it back will lead to a happier life.

Thats like saying, winning a 100 million dollar lottery will make you happier

its a dumb statement because its impossible to get all your hair back

if you could ? sure it would take one big worry out of your life, and theoretically make you happier

assuming you didnt get cancer, become paralyzed (Christopher Reeve) etc etc etc

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» » Hair is important. Getting all of it back will lead to a happier life.
»
» Thats like saying, winning a 100 million dollar lottery will make you
» happier
»
» its a dumb statement because its impossible to get all your hair back
»
» if you could ? sure it would take one big worry out of your life, and
» theoretically make you happier
»
» assuming you didnt get cancer, become paralyzed (Christopher Reeve) etc etc
» etc

Ok i think i will leave this “conversation” right now because we are at the point of uselessness. I made my point of view clear and i think the usual suspects here didnt learn anything

@silversurfer : I think and hope that Gho can help you btw you should at least give the clinic a call to see for more

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» » » Hair is important. Getting all of it back will lead to a happier life.
»
» »
» » Thats like saying, winning a 100 million dollar lottery will make you
» » happier
» »
» » its a dumb statement because its impossible to get all your hair back
» »
» » if you could ? sure it would take one big worry out of your life, and
» » theoretically make you happier
» »
» » assuming you didnt get cancer, become paralyzed (Christopher Reeve) etc
» etc
» » etc
»
» Ok i think i will leave this “conversation” right now because we are at the
» point of uselessness. I made my point of view clear and i think the usual
» suspects here didnt learn anything
»
» @silversurfer : I think and hope that Gho can help you btw you should at
» least give the clinic a call to see for more

ya lets hope Gho can do more than Bazan

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» Well then fair enough Hanginthere, if you think that gho is a charlatane,
» why is he the prime clinic for burning victims to restore their hair?
»
» There is no pie in the sky there, if you just take your time to understand
» the technique itself and why its working, but all the time you keep saying
» people are sc_am artists or so.
»
» Thats in my opinion just plain unfair, you would never call a FUT surgeon
» sc_am even with knowing he could do a transplant with extending scar
» tissue. You bash all people who are willing to do research! For what, what
» is your purpose here. I can accept your opinion but just dont attack mine
» on the lowest level possible.
»
» To me there is only one group of charlatanes right now, the group of docs
» who are NOT WILLING to actually do something for their patients. Only
» because for some reasons you dont need or want your hair, you shouldnt put
» this finger on the rest of us. What you sir, failed to understand here is,
» that with progression, all repair patients could be helped big time, but
» selfish guys wouldnt understand this.
»
» And yes hairloss is reversible, if you would have read all the links i
» posted (not even Gho related) you would get the understanding of this
» instead of arguing with me all the time over facts which are just true and
» you cannot debunk em.
»
» The proof for reversing hairloss is Histogen, but even there i clearly
» said, that they should figure out how to make the injection more solid
» instead of too liquid in the first place. I guess you missed that memo
» because you were preparing another attack against me.
»
» Anyways, are you familiar with hair follicles and hair as an organ? Are you
» familiar with what stem cells do and how they can be manipulated?
»
» Do you know what Donor dominance is?
»
» If not, just read. You always say you just live your life and you dont care
» about stuff goimg on, but why are you keep answering and attacking my
» arguments here. If anything for you would be not interested for you, you
» would just ignore it because it has no personal effect on you

show me a NW anything who reversed their hair loss?
show the before and after pics

I am especially interested in the before after pics of NW 6’s who REVERSED their hair loss, with no transplant

We are waiting

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I will quit this conversation here because you never answered my questions, simple questions which would also help you to understand what is happening right now.

You should really ask yourself one question “Do i wanna find answers or not?”

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» I will quit this conversation here because you never answered my questions,
» simple questions which would also help you to understand what is happening
» right now.
»
» You should really ask yourself one question “Do i wanna find answers or
» not?”

Wait you said hair loss IS REVERSABLE
which means they already have a cure

you did not say YOU THINK hair loss CAN BE REVERSED based on progress currently being made

So basically you admit you are full of crap then right? since you have no pics its all pie in the sky BS

You might as well say CANCER IS NOT DEADLY ANY MORE ITS CURED

because there is progress being made now in many areas

the fact it may take 50 years to get there, is irrelevant , to you

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you put on 40 pounds over how many years? 10 years? The truth is that you were probably going to put on the weight anyway whether you had hair or not, your weight gain has nothing to do with your hair!

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Hanginthere

do yourself a favor and read the stuff which has been posted here. Read them and i think you will fully understand whats going on right now and whats NOT going on right now

Grasp the concept behind Histogen and Ari, compare it with what Acell does and you got your answer.

Yes we have a cure but unfortunately no one who is capable of doing it is interested

I make it simple :

Take a dht succumbing follicle, damage it with a needle, but inject stem cells (donor) and/ or not Acell in it. What do you think will happen?

If you would have read all the stuff and get a picture for donor dominance you could easily anser this question yourself

The proof for reversing hairloss, is the over 2 years mark from Histogen. Also Hitzig and Cooley will have mor success if the fixed thei formula to make it more consitent instead of overly liquid and therefore diffuse because stem cells have to stay in one place for a little bit of time to form what they have to do.

And now we turn tables. Prove me that this concept is wrong and wont work, should be easy for you because iam according to you a “stupid shill or quck whatsoever” i invite you to disprove ths whole concept :wink:

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Whatever hangin here is the answer because you wouldnt read or think about it anyway

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» you put on 40 pounds over how many years? 10 years? The truth is that you
» were probably going to put on the weight anyway whether you had hair or
» not, your weight gain has nothing to do with your hair!

Damraak,

No it hasn’t been 10 years, but something in the neighborhood of a couple of years the most. My point is that I only focused on hair and that other things that are more important loss priority and now I am trying to get things back the way they should.

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» now I am trying to get
» things back the way they should.

keep looking forward dude and don’t look back.

the past is the past.

diet, exercise and get in shape.

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Silversurfer, it’s too bad you had to go through that experience. Many of us here tried to warn others about Bazan but it often fell upon deaf ears. This is what hope and desperation can do, cause you to make bad decisions. But over time you do become wiser and you can now probably easily see how the clowns of the HT industry manipulate prospective patients.

At this point all you can do is learn from the experience and try and help others. As far as getting back in shape that’s the simple part. Reversing the damage done by previous doctors or being treated very poorly is something that can’t be changed. Live and learn.

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Silversurfer, it’s interesting that when I got banned from this site back in 2003 the very doctors I was speaking out against were Gho and Bazan. When you look at the reviews and statistics page here they are the doctors with the most complaints. It’s not hard to figure it out how things work.

You should go back and read some of those old threads because history repeats itself.

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» Silversurfer, it’s interesting that when I got banned from this site back
» in 2003 the very doctors I was speaking out against were Gho and Bazan.
» When you look at the reviews and statistics page here they are the doctors
» with the most complaints. It’s not hard to figure it out how things work.
»
» You should go back and read some of those old threads because history
» repeats itself.

Fine, show me “the reviews and statistics page” …

… you ridiculous fücking bitch!

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» Silversurfer, it’s interesting that when I got banned from this site back
» in 2003 the very doctors I was speaking out against were Gho and Bazan.
» When you look at the reviews and statistics page here they are the doctors
» with the most complaints. It’s not hard to figure it out how things work.
»
» You should go back and read some of those old threads because history
» repeats itself.

You may be a little mistaken, th problem back in 003 was, that only 2 guys were doing or xperimenting with HM, Gho and Bazan. While Gho was very open about his findings and stuff, Bazan did always say “This information is confidential”

And everytime people from clinics say stuff like this " I had prior HM patients and they were a tota mess" they never told me which of those two docs was doing the HM on the patients, which to me seems very odd. But with naming Gho and Bazan in one sentence its pretty easy to destroy a rep (Ghos rep) but what people fail to realize here is, that Gho is in fact a real researcher unlike Bazan.

But as an example, if i would put two different docs in one sentence like

“Well Dr Bisanga is not doing HM like Bazan” well you see, the rep goes down in a blink of an eye.

Also as far as i know this, Ghos clinic gives the patient a guarantee on their HM instead of using the patient to sign a statement not to sue the doc. So history is not repeating itself here. So topcat my advise to you would have been to at least visit the Gho clinic while you are around in europe anyway. If i would be a repair patient, i would serious ly go there to see what goes on and what goes off

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Thanks for your words topcat, I agree that after the experience I went through what I have to do is learn. The whole HM concept appears exciting and sounds great but I am still waiting for more proof and documentation from posters here and more reports from clinics. Don’t worry, I am not jumping to anything as of now. I will take care of my body and psychological trauma in the meantime, but for the future until I am not 100% sure I am not commiting to anything yet.

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Silversurfer there is nothing wrong with waiting for the next advancement just don’t be the first guy in the chair. Let the promoters come back and report of their results and then evaluate them first.

Do exactly what you talked about and get back into shape. You will feel better and you already have a good attitude which is more important. At least you haven’t ended up like this Ironman poster. An angry little man with small balls that lashes out on the internet. You can definitely tell he has some issues and certainly sounds like a very weak lonely soul which is too bad.
Here is that link of past complaints. It does not necessarily mean it’s an indicator of future complaints but it should make one very cautious.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplant-doctor/patients-other-clinics.htm

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I just saw the link you posted. Those have got to be one of the worst and pluggiest results I have seen. No way I would be heading into something like that. Hopefully if they have improved their technique I would like to see more pictures, otherwise that is a no no. WIth donnor regrowth or without what is the point of having something like that done. Like I said, if they indeed have improved, more results would be great, also the quality of the pictures in their website is very poor so it is hard to say if indeed they have improved or not. Anyways, I am not getting screwed all over. This time I will wait for more results either from Cole, Cooley, Hitzig or Gho.