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#1

For a new TV program HSI (Dr. Gho) is searching two clients who are willing to let them treat under the eye of a camera. Therefore this two treatments are nearly for free!

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhasci.com%2Fgezocht.aspx


#2

» For a new TV program HSI (Dr. Gho) is searching two clients who are willing
» to let them treat under the eye of a camera. Therefore this two treatments
» are nearly for free!
»
» http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhasci.com%2Fgezocht.aspx

Good find Iron Man. It will be interesting to follow this story, especially verification of donor and recipient regrowth rates.


#3

That is fantastic news.

I know some NW6 guys that would like to have some work done, like complete restoration.

Seriously,
I had a guy in our consultation today that has received nearly 4000 grafts from this institute in 3 different sessions over the last 2 years.

Technically the work was very good, soft hairline, well balanced, no problem.

However when we inspected the donor …
Needles to say it showed signs of missing grafts AND there where NO 3 or 4 hair grafts that we could find. There are patients that have no 4 or 5 hair grafts, but I have yet to see a patient that does not have a single 3 hair graft in his donor.
I wonder what happened.


#4

bverotti, I don’t know if you will reply to me now. It seems that you are trying to avoid me. You did it on email, and you have done it in this forum.
This is very suspicious. As I am a Gho-sceptical, you should be fond of me, but you are not. I don’t know what is the problem.

Well, I will try anyway.
I am not sure if I have understood your post.
Lets see:
-You say that you have seen a former Gho-patient in your clinic.
-This patient got 4000 grafts in 3 different sessions, in the last 2 years.
-In the donor area, you say there are signs of missing grafts. Could you specify what signs? Are there 4000 white dots?
-In the donor, there are no 3-hair grafts, not 4-hair grafts. You say that this is not normal, because all persons have naturally many 3-hair grafts, and possibly 4-hair and 5-hair grafts. But this particular person had none of these.

Okay, We know that Gho harvest precisely these multiple-hair grafts. It is shown in the slides of his clinic. He does this supposedly to use the hair fibers as “guidance” for the smaller needle.

Okay, what is your theory?
Possibilities:
-Gho harvested these “3x and 4x grafts”, and afterwards, they were reduced to 1x or 2x grafts. Question: in these grafts, are there white dots? No? Perhaps Gho’s smaller needle produces no white dots?
-OR maybe, afterwards, these harvested multiple grafts were totally lost, with no hairs whatsoever?

what do you think it happened?
Can you identify where did Gho harvest?

Did you find 4000 white dots on the donor?
In a previous post (*), you said that you saw a Gho’s patient, treated with the newer technique (HST), and according to you, the donor area looked exactly like in a normal FUE (that is, it had white dots).

Does this “4000k-patient”'s donor area look like in an ordinary FUE?

(*)

posted by bverotti Homepage E-mail, Belgium, 24.03.2008, 08:35

We treated an ex Gho patient last week.
First let me say that this guy is a a nw6 and received 1600 grafts. Dont ask me why they advised 1600 grafts, we all know that it is a drop in the ocean for a nw6.

This patient had been treated early last year, so the ‘new’ technique had been used.
We examined the donor area and concluded that no regrowth can be detected in the donor area, just tiny patches of white dots where no hair is growing, just like regular FUE.

I am sorry to report that we could not find ANY evidence of HM, cloning or any other kind of hair multiplication.
<<

» That is fantastic news.
»
» I know some NW6 guys that would like to have some work done, like complete
» restoration.
»
» Seriously,
» I had a guy in our consultation today that has received nearly 4000 grafts
» from this institute in 3 different sessions over the last 2 years.
»
» Technically the work was very good, soft hairline, well balanced, no
» problem.
»
» However when we inspected the donor …
» Needles to say it showed signs of missing grafts AND there where NO 3 or 4
» hair grafts that we could find. There are patients that have no 4 or 5
» hair grafts, but I have yet to see a patient that does not have a single 3
» hair graft in his donor.
» I wonder what happened.


#5

» That is fantastic news.
»
» I know some NW6 guys that would like to have some work done, like complete
» restoration.
»
» Seriously,
» I had a guy in our consultation today that has received nearly 4000 grafts
» from this institute in 3 different sessions over the last 2 years.
»
» Technically the work was very good, soft hairline, well balanced, no
» problem.
»
» However when we inspected the donor …
» Needles to say it showed signs of missing grafts AND there where NO 3 or 4
» hair grafts that we could find. There are patients that have no 4 or 5
» hair grafts, but I have yet to see a patient that does not have a single 3
» hair graft in his donor.
» I wonder what happened.

I have seen many ProHairClinic patients over the past 5 years, which didn’t have

A) neither any hair re-growth in the donor area

B) nor growth of transplanted grafts in recipient area!

What in fact means:

  • lots of killed healthfully hair follicles and
  • just a lot produced scar tissue in donor area
  • as well as just a lot produced scar tissue in recipient area;

“I wondered what happend …”

Anyway, that all in all and ultimately means, that such poor ProHair results (resp. in general) can reduce the efficacy of other (more advanced) therapies resp. future HM treatments like e.g. such procedures:
http://www.histogen.com/aboutus/news_events.htm#25

Hmm, maybe that is all in all is just one reason why TV companies are more interested to broadcast HM techniques by e.g. HSI (Dr. Gho) rather than techniques by traditional HT clinics like ProHair?


#6

very well, mr. bverotti, considering your attitude, I have no option, but from now on, I will consider your evidence against Gho, NULL. You look no reliable to me.

» bverotti, I don’t know if you will reply to me now. It seems that you are
» trying to avoid me. You did it on email, and you have done it in this
» forum.
» This is very suspicious. As I am a Gho-sceptical, you should be fond of
» me, but you are not. I don’t know what is the problem.
»
» Well, I will try anyway.
» I am not sure if I have understood your post.
» Lets see:
» -You say that you have seen a former Gho-patient in your clinic.
» -This patient got 4000 grafts in 3 different sessions, in the last 2
» years.
» -In the donor area, you say there are signs of missing grafts. Could you
» specify what signs? Are there 4000 white dots?
» -In the donor, there are no 3-hair grafts, not 4-hair grafts. You say that
» this is not normal, because all persons have naturally many 3-hair grafts,
» and possibly 4-hair and 5-hair grafts. But this particular person had none
» of these.
»
» Okay, We know that Gho harvest precisely these multiple-hair grafts. It is
» shown in the slides of his clinic. He does this supposedly to use the hair
» fibers as “guidance” for the smaller needle.
»
» Okay, what is your theory?
» Possibilities:
» -Gho harvested these “3x and 4x grafts”, and afterwards, they were reduced
» to 1x or 2x grafts. Question: in these grafts, are there white dots? No?
» Perhaps Gho’s smaller needle produces no white dots?
» -OR maybe, afterwards, these harvested multiple grafts were totally lost,
» with no hairs whatsoever?
»
» what do you think it happened?
» Can you identify where did Gho harvest?
»
» Did you find 4000 white dots on the donor?
» In a previous post (), you said that you saw a Gho’s patient, treated
» with the newer technique (HST), and according to you, the donor area looked
» exactly like in a normal FUE (that is, it had white dots).
»
» Does this “4000k-patient”'s donor area look like in an ordinary FUE?
»
» (
)
» >>
» posted by bverotti Homepage E-mail, Belgium, 24.03.2008, 08:35
»
» We treated an ex Gho patient last week.
» First let me say that this guy is a a nw6 and received 1600 grafts. Dont
» ask me why they advised 1600 grafts, we all know that it is a drop in the
» ocean for a nw6.
»
» This patient had been treated early last year, so the ‘new’ technique had
» been used.
» We examined the donor area and concluded that no regrowth can be detected
» in the donor area, just tiny patches of white dots where no hair is
» growing, just like regular FUE.
»
» I am sorry to report that we could not find ANY evidence of HM, cloning or
» any other kind of hair multiplication.
» <<
»
» » That is fantastic news.
» »
» » I know some NW6 guys that would like to have some work done, like
» complete
» » restoration.
» »
» » Seriously,
» » I had a guy in our consultation today that has received nearly 4000
» grafts
» » from this institute in 3 different sessions over the last 2 years.
» »
» » Technically the work was very good, soft hairline, well balanced, no
» » problem.
» »
» » However when we inspected the donor …
» » Needles to say it showed signs of missing grafts AND there where NO 3 or
» 4
» » hair grafts that we could find. There are patients that have no 4 or 5
» » hair grafts, but I have yet to see a patient that does not have a
» single 3
» » hair graft in his donor.
» » I wonder what happened.


#7

» For a new TV program HSI (Dr. Gho) is searching two clients who are willing
» to let them treat under the eye of a camera. Therefore this two treatments
» are nearly for free!
»
» http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhasci.com%2Fgezocht.aspx

“Due to the enormous success of HairStemcell Transplantation® and the recent treatments of Gerard Joling and Bridget Maasland, the media - particularly TV – different TV programs are very interested in the by HSI patented technology.”

I just noticed 2 new videos at HSI’s website:


(section/menu “IN THE MEDIA” - -> “RTV”)

A) An eyebrow treatment (as Bridget Maasland)
Beauty+ TV - Episode 3 - 23 May 2010

B) A hair treatment (as Gerard Joling ~1600 grafts)
Beauty+ TV - Episode 4 - 30 May 2010

Seems these broadcasts/videos are the (really good!) results …


#8

Um, really good results? Where?

It’s the same old story. They didn’t provide a complete restoration, they didn’t document donor re-growth and they didn’t give any details on the procedure whatsoever. The result this man received could have been provided by any normal FUE doctor.

Unless the man in the video comes back for several more procedures and still has enough donor to finish the job, I will remain skeptical.


#9

seriously dude im tired of this hair regrowth in donor area sh!t…
ironman please take a break or may be give US a break!!


#10

» seriously dude im tired of this hair regrowth in donor area sh!t…
» ironman please take a break or may be give US a break!!

Exactly, all these people who keep going on about regrowing donor hair are really starting to piss me off, they’re bypassing the real problem going round and round in circles because it suits their own interests.

Most people find transplants too expensive, we don’t need more ways to make transplants better. What we need is a next generation of treatments that are financially within the reach of the majority of people who are suffering from hair loss, that will give us real results and will be able to bridge the gap to the future of a genetic cure.


#11

» Most people find transplants too expensive, we don’t need more ways to
» make transplants better. What we need is a next generation of treatments
» that are financially within the reach of the majority of people who are
» suffering from hair loss, that will give us real results and will be able
» to bridge the gap to the future of a genetic cure.

EXACTLY!!!


#12

» » seriously dude im tired of this hair regrowth in donor area sh!t…
» » ironman please take a break or may be give US a break!!
»
» Exactly, all these people who keep going on about regrowing donor hair are
» really starting to piss me off, they’re bypassing the real problem going
» round and round in circles because it suits their own interests.
»
» Most people find transplants too expensive, we don’t need more ways to
» make transplants better. What we need is a next generation of treatments
» that are financially within the reach of the majority of people who are
» suffering from hair loss, that will give us real results and will be able
» to bridge the gap to the future of a genetic cure.

i disagree, specially considering that if HM is marketed any time soon, it would cost a bomb regardless of how complex the procedure is and yet all of us are interested in such news…

If someone comes up with prove that Gho’s technique is legit… i’d be the first to pay good money for the treatment.

However, what annoys me is that no one really cares if he is looking for new clients for some silly TV show to perform a treatment that is not differentiable from FUE, whilst offering no real proof of donor regrowth at all… if he comes up with real evidence proving the legitimacy of his procedure i’ll be interested in reviewing it… until then i too request and end to this endless Gho discussion.


#13

» … if he comes up with real evidence proving the legitimacy of his
» procedure i’ll be interested in reviewing it… until then i too request and
» end to this endless Gho discussion.

NO! NO! NO!

Yet, it’s NOT up to Dr. Gho anymore … :no:

… it’s just up to YOU (e.g. possibility of a test procedure for 500 bucks etc) and other DOCTORS out there, to proof or to disproof Dr. Gho’s (et al) claims – once and for all!

Concerning “it is just a FUE procedure!”:

YES! YES! YES! Dr. Gho’s HST procedure IS, IN FACT, a completely similar PROCEDURE like a traditional FUE procedure!! And especially for you guys, once and for all again:

IN FACT, Gho’s HST-PROCEDURE IS A COMPLETELY SIMILAR PROCEDURE LIKE A TRADITIONAL FOLLICULAR UNIT EXTRACTION PROCEDURE!

(Some guys should write this sentence 100 times, until they understand it.)

The following sentence you should write 100 times as well:

Donor hair follicle preservation by partial Follicular Unit Extraction [FUE]. A method to optimize hair transplantation.

Why did Dr. Gho (et al) headlined this study with “Follicular Unit Extraction” terms?

Because the HST procedure IS, indeed, a completely similar procedure as a traditional FUE procedure!

And especially for HT Dummies, THE DIFFERENCE once again (how often again?) too:

HST for Dummies






The only difference between a traditional FUE procedure and a HST procedure is

1) just a smaller (triple-waved) punch/needle (0.5 mm diameter)
http://www.mediquipsurgical.com/trtitippu.html

2) a special developed storage solution (with growth factors) by Dr. Gho

Concerning (at least) the “donor-re-grow-part":

EVERY FUE-doctor out there is easily able to PROOF or to DISPROOF -at least- Dr. Gho’s “donor-re-grow-PART”: they just have to extract some FU’s (e.g. during a scar repair procedure or whatever) with a 0.5 mm punch/needle as described in Dr. Gho’s new study (or pics above) – that’s all. YES, that’s all!!

But guess, WHY they don’t try neither this nor that … :smiley:


#14

Iron man if Gho can regrow hair, why hasnt he got mile long queues of desperate men waiting to get their hair back?

Iron man you are so intrested in Gho why dont you get the treatment done by him, post your pic up on her for all to see?

That way is can be settled if it works or not


#15

hey,

i think we are all aware that this is a very similar procedure to FUE… we’re just stating that he cld in fact be conducting completely average FUE transplants… we wouldn’t know the difference because it is not transparent…

However I grant you that it may now be time for others to disprove his claims rather than for him to provide more proof. Either he is on to something or he is a charlatan who needs to be exposed. Nevertheless posts about more of his non-transparent Gho procedures on dubious TV stars is of no real contribution to the topic.


#16

» hey,
»
» i think we are all aware that this is a very similar procedure to FUE…


#17

I think a better question is: who gives a sh1t if it works or not? Even if you get donor regrowth it is going to take 50000+ transplanted hairs to “cure” a full on bald man. That is INSANE amounts of time and money, and anyone seriously considering that option should have what’s inside their head examined.


#18

» I think a better question is: who gives a sh1t if it works or not? Even if
» you get donor regrowth it is going to take 50000+ transplanted hairs to
» “cure” a full on bald man. That is INSANE amounts of time and money, and
» anyone seriously considering that option should have what’s inside their
» head examined.

EXACTLY!

But on the other hand …

JB: 6) Have you considered using traditional FUE at the hairline to fill in non-typical problematic areas experienced with HST or is the consistency of results experienced with HST as good as seen in FUE (I’ve seen some FUE created hairlines that look very good)?

Dr. Gho: Due to the fact that with HST the grafts are smaller, besides the possibility to create a higher density compared to other techniques like FUE, we are able to create a more natural hairline.

JB: 7) Your website states that with HST, up to 35 grafts can be placed in a cm^2 in a single session, and up to 50 grafts can be placed in a cm^2 when a second session is performed. Does this mean HST results in a maximum of 50 hairs per cm^2 or do the grafts contain more than one hair per graft. If the latter, then what is the maximum hairs per cm^2 achievable in HST?

Dr. Gho: We believe that a natural density is more important than a high density. However, you are right. To create a high density , it is possible to implant 50 grafts per cm 2 Because between 2 to 4 hairs will grow per graft, the maximal density which can be achieved will be around 150cm 2. Of course, in the hairline we will not place these grafts which contain 2 to 4 hairs because this creates a unnatural aspect.

JB: 14) I’m certain that you believe HST is a viable interim alternative while patients await the arrival of HM. HST obviously increases the overall number of harvested donor follicles that are possible. What do you feel the potential range of donor follicles is when performing HST? (IOW, by re-harvesting donor hairs over and over, what range of donor follicles can patients expect to yield in total before their donor site is exhausted?)

Dr. Gho, 2005: In theory, it is possible to use the same donor area / donor hair follicles again without any limitation. Practically, our main goal is to achieve a natural result. Therefore, it is not necessary to have more than 2 to 3 treatments for the frontal area and 2 to 3 treatments for the crown.

Source: http://www.baldnessbattlers.com/JBInterviewGho.htm


#19

» » I think a better question is: who gives a sh1t if it works or not? Even
» if
» » you get donor regrowth it is going to take 50000+ transplanted hairs to
» » “cure” a full on bald man. That is INSANE amounts of time and money,
» and
» » anyone seriously considering that option should have what’s inside
» their
» » head examined.
»
» EXACTLY!
»
» But on the other hand …
» ---------------------------------
» JB: 6) Have you considered using traditional FUE at the hairline to fill
» in non-typical problematic areas experienced with HST or is the consistency
» of results experienced with HST as good as seen in FUE (I’ve seen some FUE
» created hairlines that look very good)?
»
» Dr. Gho: Due to the fact that with HST the grafts are smaller,
» besides the possibility to create a higher density compared to other
» techniques like FUE, we are able to create a more natural hairline.
»
»
» JB: 7) Your website states that with HST, up to 35 grafts can be placed in
» a cm^2 in a single session, and up to 50 grafts can be placed in a cm^2
» when a second session is performed. Does this mean HST results in a maximum
» of 50 hairs per cm^2 or do the grafts contain more than one hair per graft.
» If the latter, then what is the maximum hairs per cm^2 achievable in HST?
»
» Dr. Gho: We believe that a natural density is more important
» than a high density. However, you are right. To create a high density , it
» is possible to implant 50 grafts per cm 2 Because between 2 to 4 hairs will
» grow per graft, the maximal density which can be achieved will be around
» 150cm 2. Of course, in the hairline we will not place these grafts which
» contain 2 to 4 hairs because this creates a unnatural aspect.
» --------
»
» JB: 14) I’m certain that you believe HST is a viable interim alternative
» while patients await the arrival of HM. HST obviously increases the overall
» number of harvested donor follicles that are possible. What do you feel the
» potential range of donor follicles is when performing HST? (IOW, by
» re-harvesting donor hairs over and over, what range of donor follicles can
» patients expect to yield in total before their donor site is exhausted?)
»
» Dr. Gho: In theory, it is possible to use the same donor area
» / donor hair follicles again without any limitation. Practically, our main
» goal is to achieve a natural result. Therefore, it is not necessary to
» have more than 2 to 3 treatments for the frontal area and 2 to 3 treatments
» for the crown.

»
» Source: http://www.baldnessbattlers.com/JBInterviewGho.htm
» ---------------------------------

Good to hear but if the chance is given for unlimited donor, then i would want to have a full and high density in the frontal area because 2 to 3 procedures are…well very time and money consuming.

You have to wait one year so this will be more then 3 years :slight_smile:

I honestly hope that some other FUE Specialists will adopt this procedure


#20

» » JB: 14) I’m certain that you believe HST is a viable interim
» alternative
» » while patients await the arrival of HM. HST obviously increases the
» overall
» » number of harvested donor follicles that are possible. What do you feel
» the
» » potential range of donor follicles is when performing HST? (IOW, by
» » re-harvesting donor hairs over and over, what range of donor follicles
» can
» » patients expect to yield in total before their donor site is
» exhausted?)
» »
» » Dr. Gho, 2005: In theory, it is possible to use the same donor
» area
» » / donor hair follicles again without any limitation. Practically, our
» main
» » goal is to achieve a natural result. Therefore, it is not necessary
» to
» » have more than 2 to 3 treatments for the frontal area and 2 to 3
» treatments
» » for the crown.

» »
» » Source: http://www.baldnessbattlers.com/JBInterviewGho.htm
» » ---------------------------------
»
» Good to hear but if the chance is given for unlimited donor, then i would
» want to have a full and high density in the frontal area because 2 to 3
» procedures are…well very time and money consuming.

And traditional HT’s aren’t time and money consuming, besides THE FACT that HT-patients (like e.g. Dr. Ken Washenik) are UNABLE to gain more density and/or to cover up their crown, because the have NO donor reserves left?

Funny game …

By the way: Dr. Ken Washenik (Aderans/Bosley) should contact Dr. Gho for a HST procedure, to fill up his crown. Because he “only have a certain number” of hair follicles left in his donor area … :stuck_out_tongue:

(Washenik mentioned his own hair problem during the recent Japan-shareholders-meeting - video.)

… but e.g. this (HST-)guy (the dutch singer Gerard Joling) …

… has ENOUGH FU’s left in his donor area, after his 1st HST procedure!

And THAT makes the REAL difference!