» The poll IS totally meaningless
so is your post.
buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
» I may have had it worse than most, early HTs with bad results and scarring
» complemented with accelerated hairloss from all those work. So much so
» that I have to spent time and effort every morning to ‘fix’ things up,
» sometimes multiple times a day.
»
» Topple that with years of of monies spent on dermatch, toppik, couvre,
» hairspray as well as propecia and whatever chemicals that was purported to
» be effective for the time.
»
» Oh not to mention, pillow cases, bedsheets, showers that have been stained
» from the cover-up stuff…
»
» I am also very certain that career movements have been hampered by my
» balding ‘looks’, not being the youthful looking guy I once was. And (I
» dread to think) some may be even on to me that I’m using cover-ups,
» dermatch, toppik to cover up my balding spots, another major demerit.
» Which of course, doesn’t bode well with a confident, inspiring demeanor as
» well. Thus, factor in the income losses into the picture.
»
» Plus the ability to be able to actually swim in public pools, not avoid
» convertibles or any wind in general…
»
» Stopping short of dipping into my kid’s college fund and hinged on my
» ability to repay back, I would gladly beg, steal or borrow hundreds of
» thousands ($$$) to get a full set of hair back.
There is hope on the horizon.
» » The poll IS totally meaningless
»
» so is your post.
»
» buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off, I would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique, all would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it is is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though I feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think it should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
» » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» »
» » so is your post.
» »
» » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
»
» well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off, I
» would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique, all
» would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it is
» is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though I
» feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed
» skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think it
» should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown is the culturing of cells (if that’s the treatment involves) and I don’t know how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would not pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my opinion.
» » » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» » »
» » » so is your post.
» » »
» » » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
» »
» » well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off,
» I
» » would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique,
» all
» » would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it
» is
» » is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though
» I
» » feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed
» » skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think
» it
» » should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
»
» Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be
» substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown is
» the culturing of cells (if that’s the treatment involves) and I don’t know
» how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would not
» pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my opinion.
The initial cost will have nothing to do with the amount of skill needed. It will be supply/demand. If this truly is a 100% safe and effective treatment, and there are 10 million guys that want to get it done, and there is only enough “bandwidth” to process 1000 guys per day, there is only one way to make sure that I get ahead of you in line. That is $$$$.
Only after time (years) when the supply increases, will the cost come down. They aren’t going to release this one day, and then automatically have thousands of clinics performing this the next day. It takes time to build out the supply. Which is why 30K seems awfully cheap to me. Maybe after 5 years have gone by it might be 10K. But if this truly is a procedure that can restore 100% of your hair safely and effectively, there is no way it will be 10K to start off with.
And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car or all your hair back. There isn’t a right or wrong answer to that question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would rather have all my hair back than a new house.
» » » » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» » » »
» » » » so is your post.
» » » »
» » » » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
» » »
» » » well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right
» off,
» » I
» » » would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and
» technique,
» » all
» » » would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all
» it
» » is
» » » is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head,
» though
» » I
» » » feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in
» needed
» » » skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I
» think
» » it
» » » should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
» »
» » Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be
» » substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown
» is
» » the culturing of cells (if that’s the treatment involves) and I don’t
» know
» » how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would
» not
» » pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my
» opinion.
»
» The initial cost will have nothing to do with the amount of skill needed.
» It will be supply/demand. If this truly is a 100% safe and effective
» treatment, and there are 10 million guys that want to get it done, and
» there is only enough “bandwidth” to process 1000 guys per day, there is
» only one way to make sure that I get ahead of you in line. That is $$$$.
»
» Only after time (years) when the supply increases, will the cost come
» down. They aren’t going to release this one day, and then automatically
» have thousands of clinics performing this the next day. It takes time to
» build out the supply. Which is why 30K seems awfully cheap to me. Maybe
» after 5 years have gone by it might be 10K. But if this truly is a
» procedure that can restore 100% of your hair safely and effectively, there
» is no way it will be 10K to start off with.
»
» And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car
» or all your hair back. There isn’t a right or wrong answer to that
» question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would
» rather have all my hair back than a new house.
Obviously the initial investment costs are going to be wanted to be recouped, and there is the supply demand issue. Though, this is not going to be an immediate or long term finite commodity, it is dependent on the number of clinics trained which can be infinite, and grow exponentially quick. Initial cost will be high, but 5 years? No. It would behoove this company to ramp up quick, and to have much supply in the market, so as to saturate it with their product before others provide similar cures, which they are doing. This will not be the only one, and it will be very competitive looking at the number of players coming into it. So as far as supply and demand? We will be the winners, the price will be down fast. So I look at price as an equation of it’s value on a curve over time towards it’s true market value. Why would I answer this question in a vacuum of how much my hair is worth to me? if that were the case, then I would say it is infinite in its value, though I would say the same about food…water…which are much much more important and truly needed by me. Yet, food is cheap, and water free. Water is almost a scarce commodity in some locals, that being fresh water. So reality is this will not be scarce based on competition and the need for Trichoscience, Aderans, Histogen…etc to be distributors who create many and long lasting agreements and relationships, with as many clinics as possible. So the price I give again, is based on skill and the market value, and as someone pointed out to me, I do need to factor in the skill of needed culturing, yet otherwise, the procedure is needing much less skill than an HT. They can still make a killing, because there will always be new customers, in the 100s of millions every new generation. It actually makes more sense to price the value of your product in a place where you increase to a larger band of potential customers, than a smaller niche band of customers who can afford the high price point. If I were them, and wanted to recoup my costs and be competitive, I would make sure it is a price that is reasonable to a sizebale amount of the masses. I would say realistically as a first price point, IF a NW1 cure ONLY though, as no one will pay a DIME above a few grand for something temporary but if its permanent, then between 15,000-18,000. Then, as they wanted to make it affordable for greater numbers of men, and increase their market base, move towards 10,000. Only time will tell on which side of 10,000 they will need to be +/- a few thousand.
I apologize if you don’t agree with my business sense. Yet, if I had a valuable product and I wanted to make SERIOUS money, I would take into account that there are 100s of millions in third world countries where the vast majority of the world lives, who cannot afford more than 10,000 but would be willing to take out a loan or work their lives for this money to deal with this issue. I do not think small, and I would find them foolish if they were not thinking about getting it out quick to compete with others who WILL do this once they find a valuable HM solution. Think about it: $30,000 x 10,000,000 customers VS $10,000 x 100,000,000 customers…
Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
Here’s the thing. You don’t price the product initially to appeal to the masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it lower and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply. And that won’t be the case for a few years.
When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years, you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build out supply. It’s not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly. Of course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money that way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the first few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn’t a factory where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in the first year, who cares if 9.7 million won’t pay 30K. I can’t get to them anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I’ve just lost 6 million dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and probably more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000, there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave that money on the table when it’s going to take time to build out supply?
But don’t worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if you aren’t willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might be servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By the 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be in the range that you deem appropriate.
Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of the above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus sufficient supply and lower cost.
So get a big round of HTs as soon as it becomes clear that HM is inexorably coming to market. Problem solved.
» Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
»
» Here’s the thing. You don’t price the product initially to appeal to the
» masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it lower
» and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply. And
» that won’t be the case for a few years.
»
» When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years,
» you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build out
» supply. It’s not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly. Of
» course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money that
» way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the first
» few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn’t a factory
» where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
»
» If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in the
» first year, who cares if 9.7 million won’t pay 30K. I can’t get to them
» anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I’ve just lost 6 million
» dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and probably
» more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000,
» there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave
» that money on the table when it’s going to take time to build out supply?
»
» But don’t worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if you
» aren’t willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might be
» servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By the
» 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be in
» the range that you deem appropriate.
»
» Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of the
» above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» sufficient supply and lower cost.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you sound like a spoilt brat having a panic attack.
» And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car
» or all your hair back. There isn’t a right or wrong answer to that
» question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would
» rather have all my hair back than a new house.
30K is not expensive for a cure, if we are truly paying for a cure, that means we can stop using products like Propecia and Rogaine. I am sure most of us pay close to 100 a month for products just to hang on to our hair
100 a month,
1 year = 1200
10 years = 12K
30 years = 36K
If you look at the numbers, 30K for a cure is very reasonable.
» » Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
» »
» » Here’s the thing. You don’t price the product initially to appeal to
» the
» » masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it
» lower
» » and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply.
» And
» » that won’t be the case for a few years.
» »
» » When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years,
» » you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build
» out
» » supply. It’s not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly.
» Of
» » course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money
» that
» » way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the
» first
» » few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn’t a
» factory
» » where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
» »
» » If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in
» the
» » first year, who cares if 9.7 million won’t pay 30K. I can’t get to
» them
» » anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I’ve just lost 6 million
» » dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and
» probably
» » more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» » limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000,
» » there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave
» » that money on the table when it’s going to take time to build out
» supply?
» »
» » But don’t worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if
» you
» » aren’t willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might
» be
» » servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By
» the
» » 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be
» in
» » the range that you deem appropriate.
» »
» » Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» » effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of
» the
» » above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» » sufficient supply and lower cost.
»
» You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you sound like a spoilt
» brat having a panic attack.
What are you talking about? All I’m trying to do is explain how supply/demand will prevent this from being 10K the first year as many people seem to hope. People seem to be using their emotions to justify 10K instead of realizing how the business world really works.
It seems to me that since your facts consist of calling me a “spoilt brat having a panic attack”, that you have nothing to add to this discussion. Ad hominem attacks are a common technique from people who have lost the argument, so what the hell, call him a name.
I’m more than happy to have a discussion with you, but I’m not going to get into a name-calling spat with you.
» » » Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
» » »
» » » Here’s the thing. You don’t price the product initially to appeal to
» » the
» » » masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it
» » lower
» » » and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply.
»
» » And
» » » that won’t be the case for a few years.
» » »
» » » When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few
» years,
» » » you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to
» build
» » out
» » » supply. It’s not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly.
»
» » Of
» » » course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money
» » that
» » » way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the
» » first
» » » few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn’t a
» » factory
» » » where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
» » »
» » » If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in
» » the
» » » first year, who cares if 9.7 million won’t pay 30K. I can’t get to
» » them
» » » anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I’ve just lost 6 million
» » » dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and
» » probably
» » » more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» » » limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of
» 10,000,000,
» » » there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why
» leave
» » » that money on the table when it’s going to take time to build out
» » supply?
» » »
» » » But don’t worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if
» » you
» » » aren’t willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they
» might
» » be
» » » servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By
» » the
» » » 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will
» be
» » in
» » » the range that you deem appropriate.
» » »
» » » Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» » » effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of
» » the
» » » above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» » » sufficient supply and lower cost.
» »
» » You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, you sound like a
» spoilt
» » brat having a panic attack.
»
» What are you talking about? All I’m trying to do is explain how
» supply/demand will prevent this from being 10K the first year as many
» people seem to hope. People seem to be using their emotions to justify 10K
» instead of realizing how the business world really works.»
Is this statement for me? Then I would say you are wrong on both. I am not being emotional, and I am quite experienced building and running businesses as well as have business degrees, and I even have experience doing business consulting. By the way, I never stated it would be 10k the first year, I said it would not take 5 because I do not believe it will or should start as high as 30k. Though I did state a much higher price closer to 20k. We are actually speaking and agreeing that the supply (ie ability to bring up trained practioners and approved clinics) would take a while and the price would start higher. I just don’t agree with 30k, so we can agree to disagree, and right now neither of us has any other industry benchmark besides HT to compare it to and to prove what the market would bear. All I can say, is prices will shift quick if they start too high.
» It seems to me that since your facts consist of calling me a “spoilt brat
» having a panic attack”, that you have nothing to add to this discussion.
» Ad hominem attacks are a common technique from people who have lost the
» argument, so what the hell, call him a name.
»
» I’m more than happy to have a discussion with you, but I’m not going to
» get into a name-calling spat with you.
» Is this statement for me? Then I would say you are wrong on both. I am not
» being emotional, and I am quite experienced building and running businesses
» as well as have business degrees, and I even have experience doing business
» consulting. By the way, I never stated it would be 10k the first year, I
» said it would not take 5 because I do not believe it will or should start
» as high as 30k. Though I did state a much higher price closer to 20k. We
» are actually speaking and agreeing that the supply (ie ability to bring up
» trained practioners and approved clinics) would take a while and the price
» would start higher. I just don’t agree with 30k, so we can agree to
» disagree, and right now neither of us has any other industry benchmark
» besides HT to compare it to and to prove what the market would bear. All I
» can say, is prices will shift quick if they start too high.
We could use the little bits of information that some of the companies working on this have given us, like Trichoscience saying they believed their treatment would cost from $16,500 - $29,500. The reason for the $13,000 difference is because they say it would take one or more treatments. We could also take into account the fact that they said it would take one weekend for a technician to be trained to administer it. And one more thing we could consider is them saying it could be done in any medical or dermatological clinic, which is the same thing Follica said about their treatment.
»» There is hope on the horizon.
Please explain us. What is your hope based on?
» I would pay whatever it would take to get me to the front of the line
» (assuming it was 100% safe and effective). I would easily pay 250K if
» that’s what it took, and I wouldn’t even think about it. I know I’m not
» paying a paltry 30K if I have to wait in line for 3 years.
Peopole are paying $10/pill to get an erection…it cost pennies to make the pill. They are profiting from the research and getting what the can get from the market over a long-term period…
Getting $250K for a permanent full head of hair is not viable. Also, your comment on charging more in the fist few years is nonsense. It does not work that way.
The reasonable price could be anywhere from $20K to $100K.
One research firm out of Canada has already stated they will be charging from $16K to $30K for their impending solution, if it ever works on humans.
» We could use the little bits of information that some of the companies
» working on this have given us, like Trichoscience saying they believed
» their treatment would cost from $16,500 - $29,500. The reason for the
» $13,000 difference is because they say it would take one or more
» treatments. We could also take into account the fact that they said it
» would take one weekend for a technician to be trained to administer it. And
» one more thing we could consider is them saying it could be done in any
» medical or dermatological clinic, which is the same thing Follica said
» about their treatment.
treatment will probably be somewhere between $20K to $100K…the $100K will have more attention to detail…
the mass market does not have disposable income, so it will be a varying price range…
I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think they could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet. If they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot more.
» I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think they
» could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet. If
» they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot more.
If you put it like that, the answer is a full head of hair without a doubt.
» » I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think
» they
» » could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet.
» If
» » they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot
» more.
»
» If you put it like that, the answer is a full head of hair without a
» doubt.
50k, lol, do you work for one of these companies?
CANCER is a much more real issue, and a cure for this would never even remotely cost as much. There is a Canadian co that has just come up with a workable and highly successful way to fight two types of cancers, and I doubt they are so morally devoid as to be such leeches as to think that consumers should spend their lives paying for a method to treat it. Wake up, it is also relevant to look at the COST of actual treatment, VS the PRICE in terms or markup, and COST OF LIVING. Who makes these ridiculous statements? Whichever company decides to do this off the bat, I will use my resources to put millions behind the company such as Histogen or the like that will come up with a similar solution and make sure they out compete the other company out of the market. I promise to make them useless greedy fools, who won’t make a dime.
» statements? Whichever company decides to do this off the bat, I will use my
» resources to put millions behind the company such as Histogen or the like
» that will come up with a similar solution and make sure they out compete
» the other company out of the market. I promise to make them useless greedy
» fools, who won’t make a dime.
“I will use my resources to put millions behind the company”? :lol2: Ok, Bill Gates, you do that :lol2: