Hm how far away

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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» debris fatalevolution troyo and spanishdude said that trc was dead after
» hearing phase 2 results and they were wrong. So now we know that any
» further remarks from any of these hold no value and should be disregarded.
»
»
» me, nathan gwulaw and the game all said it was good news and we were right
» :slight_smile:

I agree,or at least wait until September for next update on ICX-TRC - Intercytex are trying to spread the word,at the moment - could this be to get a partner/buyer of ICX-TRC.

I still say if you want hair now,there’s only one real option for some of us,and thats FUE!

I’m playing the waiting game,myself!

I want hair because I’m fed of looking like a shaved headed hard case,its just not me really.

ROLL ON HM!

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» debris fatalevolution troyo and spanishdude said that trc was dead after
» hearing phase 2 results and they were wrong. So now we know that any
» further remarks from any of these hold no value and should be disregarded.
»
»
» me, nathan gwulaw and the game all said it was good news and we were right
» :slight_smile:

The only good news is that it grows Some hair, but the really bad news is that its at least 3-4 years away - the main reason everyone was excited about Intercytex was commercialization in 08-09. And even if you add 3 years to current year, we end up in 2011 which is a year behind what the FAQs at Intercytex’s website say.

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What about Aderans? How come there is zero news from Aderans?

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3 years if Follica works, somewhere between 3 and 20 years if it doesn’t work.

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» What about Aderans? How come there is zero news from Aderans?

Because there is zero news from Aderans.

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it’s not 3-4 years away

remember they intended to lauch in 2008 in the uk after phase 2. The decison not to (still might) was not a medical one rather it was down to MHRA. We might see it in another country

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» I actually thing this is not a case with follica.
»
» They know it is new hair. As they were sure that the mouse did not have
» any follicles before the experiment.
»
» So what I expect is that the experiment really does form new follicles.
» Unfortunately it is quite likely that immune system in humans will kill
» most of them before they even manage to get to any mature state.

… and what about the cases (medical and individual) of people growing back some hair after accidents/ acne dermabrasion? It seems to me that the body (and our immune system) can be fooled to produce new hair.

The real question is - will Follica’s technology fool our bodies to grow that new hair? Myself, I rather stay cautiously optimistic, and I rather give follica a chance before I assume the absolute worst. If I’m wrong than so be it; I least I didn’t waste a few years feeling miserable about myself, and Follica.

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» » debris fatalevolution troyo and spanishdude said that trc was dead after
»
» » hearing phase 2 results and they were wrong. So now we know that any
» » further remarks from any of these hold no value and should be
» disregarded.
» »
» »
» » me, nathan gwulaw and the game all said it was good news and we were
» right
» » :slight_smile:
»
» The only good news is that it grows Some hair, but the really bad news is
» that its at least 3-4 years away - the main reason everyone was excited
» about Intercytex was commercialization in 08-09. And even if you add 3
» years to current year, we end up in 2011 which is a year behind what the
» FAQs at Intercytex’s website say.

The worst is that we don’t even know how much they are going to charge and how much hair it will grow. We could be eternally waiting for nothing year after year. Imagine if all it does is to regrow some Rogaine type of hair, I will be kicking myself if that is what I have been waiting for all these yrs.

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»
» … and what about the cases (medical and individual) of people growing
» back some hair after accidents/ acne dermabrasion? It seems to me that the
» body (and our immune system) can be fooled to produce new hair.

I always hear the same thing, would you mind to provide some link(s) about these cases you are mentioning ?

This is my first message, hello everybody.

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» So what I expect is that the experiment really does form new follicles.
» Unfortunately it is quite likely that immune system in humans will kill
» most of them before they even manage to get to any mature state.

Acutally, it’s the exact opposite. The immune system is quite unlikely to have any reaction at all to the new follicles – it’s all your own tissue…nothing foreign at all, and thus nothing for your immune system to attack. Put it this way, if your immune system starts attacking your own skin cells, you’ve got bigger problems than hair loss.

Also, people are making way too big a deal about how the human skin was grafted onto immunodeficient mice. Follica had to do this to prevent the graft from being rejected, regardless of whether or not they wanted to wound skin, grow hair, or whatever else. As the mouse experiments proved (where the mice had fully functional immune systems), the new hairs are not attacked in any way, and they cycle normally, etc.

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» I always hear the same thing, would you mind to provide some link(s) about
» these cases you are mentioning ?
»
» This is my first message, hello everybody.

  1. DR Cotsarelis gave some examples in the audio interview (bottom right)
    http://www.sciencefriday.com/news/051807/news0518071.html

  2. There’s a guy on xconomy.com (D not the wacky R guy) that mention a story of someone that accidentally scalded their head with motor oil. After removal of the scars, they observed massive hair regrowth with dark and thick hairs
    Informa Connect - Know more, do more, be more.

  3. Another guy on HLH mentioned some hair growth after pricking his temples with a very fine needle
    http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=60025&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

100% proof Follica will work - NO. Are they on the right track - Probably.

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These well may be urban legends.

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I somehow do believe that wounding can grow some hair.

The issue is, how much of these stories are exagerrated. And to some extend, they surely are. All stories are. Storytelling is about exagerration. Every time someone retells a story it becomes better. There are no exceptions to this.

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sounds plausible, but not convicing. Its just a story. ppl lie all the time to make some story better and more interesting.

I must admit that I’m having some hopes that it might work in the end as well though.

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i did not say it is dead I said it is likely to fail and not hit the market or disapoint and is not going to be on the market before 2013.

and I was saying that it is not going to be on the market before 2012 for ages now, even in times when you were predicting this years release (http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-25037.html).

so piss off sssss will you?

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you’re not man enough to accept that your comments were way off the mark

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Wow that was totaly uncalled for, and completely unessesary!

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» What about Aderans? How come there is zero news from Aderans?

In fact there is some news from Aderans …They’ve just ousted their executives…not very promising is’t ?

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. As the mouse experiments proved
» (where the mice had fully functional immune systems), the new hairs are not
» attacked in any way, and they cycle normally, etc.

EXACTLY, the hairless mice grew fur that was de noveau.

Frankly, the biggest problem I see with Follica is that this really is something that someone will be able to do at home with some sandpaper and the right internal drugs. What is being on Getifitinib, avodart, internal flutamide, loniten, and an anti-histamine for about 8 days or so after delipation and abrasion three days later? That isn’t much of a hassle. Two uncomfy weeks. Might not want to wash the hair during that time and voilia’…hair.

BTW-----Androscience might not be pleased to know that you can mix curcumin powder with your shampoo and wash in with no problems at all. Shampoo turns a little orange, but no staining. Curcumin is also soluble in oils…that can be later soluble in ethanol----so there are ways to use topical curcumin like NOW…and get the same benefits. If hamster flank organs tell the tale, only gossypol, caffeic acid, and doctyl gallate are any more anti-androgenic than cuccumin is.

Intercytex has found the pre-stimulation is bettering the responses in the third cohort of trialees…but then again is the wounding growing the hair or are the cellular injects growing the hair? That is the question…Until they put a photo or two out there, Im not even going to get excited about ICX. Like Aderans, they have run the mouth for years, but where are the photographs? When they have a “wow” photo, it will be on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, CSNBC, DRUDGE, etc…

BTW----------Things like Alvi Armani acting like HM will be here in X are self-serving on the docs part. I warned people HM will be used like a carrot on a stick by the HT industry and it will be to get em’ in the chair ASAP. I really doubt Dr. Armani knows someone in the company unless its Jerry Cooley or something.

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» . As the mouse experiments proved
» » (where the mice had fully functional immune systems), the new hairs are
» not
» » attacked in any way, and they cycle normally, etc.
»
»
»
» EXACTLY, the hairless mice grew fur that was de noveau.
»
»
» Frankly, the biggest problem I see with Follica is that this really is
» something that someone will be able to do at home with some sandpaper and
» the right internal drugs. What is being on Getifitinib, avodart, internal
» flutamide, loniten, and an anti-histamine for about 8 days or so after
» delipation and abrasion three days later? That isn’t much of a hassle. Two
» uncomfy weeks. Might not want to wash the hair during that time and
» voilia’…hair.
»
»
»
» BTW-----Androscience might not be pleased to know that you can mix
» curcumin powder with your shampoo and wash in with no problems at all.
» Shampoo turns a little orange, but no staining. Curcumin is also soluble in
» oils…that can be later soluble in ethanol----so there are ways to
» use topical curcumin like NOW…and get the same benefits. If
» hamster flank organs tell the tale, only gossypol, caffeic acid, and doctyl
» gallate are any more anti-androgenic than cuccumin is.
»
»
» Intercytex has found the pre-stimulation is bettering the responses in the
» third cohort of trialees…but then again is the wounding
» growing the hair or are the cellular injects growing the hair? That is the
» question…Until they put a photo or two out there, Im
» not even going to get excited about ICX. Like Aderans, they have run the
» mouth for years, but where are the photographs? When they have a “wow”
» photo, it will be on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, CSNBC, DRUDGE,
» etc…
»
»
» BTW----------Things like Alvi Armani acting like HM will be here in X are
» self-serving on the docs part. I warned people HM will be used like a
» carrot on a stick by the HT industry and it will be to get em’ in the chair
» ASAP. I really doubt Dr. Armani knows someone in the company unless its
» Jerry Cooley or something.

I’m in awe of Benji’s knowledge…:smiley: