» And neither of them has even started Stage 1 trials, which means they’re
» both 10 years away (if it works).
What a bull**** …
Some of them are just 1 - 3 years away - and most of their “cure formula” WORKS pretty good!
» » And neither of them has even started Stage 1 trials, which means they’re
» » both 10 years away (if it works).
»
» What a bull**** …
»
» Some of them are just 1 - 3 years away - and most of their “cure formula”
» WORKS pretty good!
Do you understand how FDA trial work? Obviously not. There are 3 stages. You have to clear them all. They normally take a total of ten years. No one makes drugs that can’t pass FDA trials, because they need the US market to justify the R&D and marketing costs (never mind the insanity of taking a drug that hasn’t cleared the FDA). No FDA clearance, no protocol - no matter what ridiculous claims Histogen is making.
Sorry to rain on your delusional parade, but if Aderans doesn’t work, its going to be at least another 5 years (Histogen - which sounds more like hype than reality at this point) or 10 years + (Follica, and whatever else).
And that’s if the protocol works, which to date, none of them have.
» » And neither of them has even started Stage 1 trials, which means they’re
» » both 10 years away (if it works).
»
» What a bull**** …
»
» Some of them are just 1 - 3 years away - and most of their “cure formula”
» WORKS pretty good!
Is this the same as Intercytex being just around the corner with ICX-TRC - What rubbish,no one really knows,we might all have to start accepting our hairloss.
How do you know it works really well,you in the in then!
Remember its not that long ago when we all had faith in Intercytex,we was all suckered in.What happened a BIG NOTHING!
» » » And neither of them has even started Stage 1 trials, which means
» they’re
» » » both 10 years away (if it works).
» »
» » What a bull**** …
» »
» » Some of them are just 1 - 3 years away - and most of their “cure
» formula”
» » WORKS pretty good!
»
» Is this the same as Intercytex being just around the corner with ICX-TRC -
» What rubbish,no one really knows,we might all have to start accepting our
» hairloss.
»
» How do you know it works really well,you in the in then!
»
» Remember its not that long ago when we all had faith in Intercytex,we was
» all suckered in.What happened a BIG NOTHING!
Does the FDA rule the world. Is it their process that dictates what the rest of the world can do?
» Does the FDA rule the world. Is it their process that dictates what the
» rest of the world can do?
A pharma corporation will not go forward with a protocol if it can’t sell in the US. Why? Because the low profit margins of the socialized healthcare systems of the world are subsidized by the gigantic profits provided by the free market healthcare of America. Without the ability to sell in the US, most drugs would not be profitable enough to justify their tremendous R&D and marketing costs. So for all intents and purposes, yes, the FDA rules the world and dictates what the rest of the world can do. Does that mean that some snake-oil couldn’t pop-up in India or China or some other third-world country that has substandard safety profiles and give you some hair? No, but it will probably give you some cancer to go with your new locks. No FDA = no sale.
Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA trials. That’s economic reality.
» Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA trials.
» That’s economic reality.
No, it is not.
For example: In China there live about 1,4 billion humans - just China. So do you really believe they are interested in any “American FDA rules”?
Sometimes it seems, the Americans believe they are the only one on this planet. 
But to make things clear: Yes, IF FDA is doing well for the human being in general - great!
On the other hand, sometimes there could be good reasons to avoid/ignore “FDA rules” for the very first step to market any clinical product. That means, others (like Histogen seems to do so) try to market their products in other markets first. Reason: It could be easier, faster and less expensive to get approval. And sometimes it could be all in all more efficient in general e.g. to get more and faster experiences. And if everything went well, it could be easier to get (complicated) FDA approval too - but AFTER step one (other countries first) …
Extract
Different countries have different regulatory requirements and enforcement abilities. “An estimated 40 percent of all clinical trials now take place in Asia, Eastern Europe, central and south America. “There is no compulsory registration system for clinical trials in these countries and many do not follow European directives in their operations”, says Dr. Jacob Sijtsma of the Netherlands-based WEMOS, an advocacy health organisation tracking clinical trials in developing countries.”
Nobody else can borrow as much money from China to pay for cosmetic work as the USA can.
» » Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA trials.
»
» » That’s economic reality.
»
» No, it is not.
»
» For example: In China there live about 1,4 billion humans - just China. So
» do you really believe they are interested in any “American FDA rules”?
»
» Sometimes it seems, the Americans believe they are the only one on this
» planet.
»
» But to make things clear: Yes, IF FDA is doing well for the human
» being in general - great!
» On the other hand, sometimes there could be good reasons to avoid/ignore
» “FDA rules” for the very first step to market any clinical product. That
» means, others (like Histogen seems to do so) try to market their products
» in other markets first. Reason: It could be easier, faster and less
» expensive to get approval. And sometimes it could be all in all more
» efficient in general e.g. to get more and faster experiences. And if
» everything went well, it could be easier to get (complicated) FDA approval
» too - but AFTER step one (other countries first) …
»
» Extract
» Different countries have different regulatory requirements and
» enforcement abilities. “An estimated 40 percent of all clinical trials
» now take place in Asia, Eastern Europe, central and south America.
» “There is no compulsory registration system for clinical trials in these
» countries and many do not follow European directives in their operations”,
» says Dr. Jacob Sijtsma of the Netherlands-based WEMOS, an advocacy health
» organisation tracking clinical trials in developing countries.”
» Clinical trial - Wikipedia
So you’d take a drug that was only tested in China? Where they have NO PROBLEM bringing dangerous products to market? Using lead paint in children’s toys? Selling dog food that kills pets? Notice how Histogen wants to sell to “all of Asia except Japan”? Know why? Because Japan is the only country in Asia with acceptable safety profiles, and they wouldn’t allow the sale of questionable products in their market.
And you STILL don’t get the economics of the situation. 1.4 billion people in China, and 9 out of 10 of them are IMPOVERISHED. The others are barely middle class by 1st world standards. So how many Chinese are going to shell out $10,000-$20,000 for a hair treatment? That’s more than 99% of China’s citizens’ annual salary. So, again, if you want to earn money on drug or a protocol, you have to sell in the States. Sorry I insulted your little Euro ego, but that’s fact.
And sure, drugs are tested elsewhere, but they are drugs that were never intended to see the 1st world market, so they don’t care about selling to the EU or the US. For a protocol that is certain to be at leat $10k, they NEED wealthy markets, not impoverished 3rd world economies.
Silly, desperate little man, clutching to false hope and rumors right along with the last strands of your hair. You’ll learn.
» » » Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA
» trials.
» »
» » » That’s economic reality.
» »
» » No, it is not.
» »
» » For example: In China there live about 1,4 billion humans - just China.
» So
» » do you really believe they are interested in any “American FDA rules”?
» »
» » Sometimes it seems, the Americans believe they are the only one on this
» » planet.
» »
» » But to make things clear: Yes, IF FDA is doing well for the
» human
» » being in general - great!
» » On the other hand, sometimes there could be good reasons to
» avoid/ignore
» » “FDA rules” for the very first step to market any clinical product.
» That
» » means, others (like Histogen seems to do so) try to market their
» products
» » in other markets first. Reason: It could be easier, faster and less
» » expensive to get approval. And sometimes it could be all in all more
» » efficient in general e.g. to get more and faster experiences. And if
» » everything went well, it could be easier to get (complicated) FDA
» approval
» » too - but AFTER step one (other countries first) …
» »
» » Extract
» » Different countries have different regulatory requirements and
» » enforcement abilities. “An estimated 40 percent of all clinical
» trials
» » now take place in Asia, Eastern Europe, central and south America.
» » “There is no compulsory registration system for clinical trials in
» these
» » countries and many do not follow European directives in their
» operations”,
» » says Dr. Jacob Sijtsma of the Netherlands-based WEMOS, an advocacy
» health
» » organisation tracking clinical trials in developing countries.”
» » Clinical trial - Wikipedia
»
» So you’d take a drug that was only tested in China? Where they have NO
» PROBLEM bringing dangerous products to market? Using lead paint in
» children’s toys? Selling dog food that kills pets? Notice how Histogen
» wants to sell to “all of Asia except Japan”? Know why? Because Japan is
» the only country in Asia with acceptable safety profiles, and they wouldn’t
» allow the sale of questionable products in their market.
»
» And you STILL don’t get the economics of the situation. 1.4 billion
» people in China, and 9 out of 10 of them are IMPOVERISHED. The others are
» barely middle class by 1st world standards. So how many Chinese are going
» to shell out $10,000-$20,000 for a hair treatment? That’s more than 99% of
» China’s citizens’ annual salary. So, again, if you want to earn money on
» drug or a protocol, you have to sell in the States. Sorry I insulted your
» little Euro ego, but that’s fact.
»
» And sure, drugs are tested elsewhere, but they are drugs that were never
» intended to see the 1st world market, so they don’t care about selling to
» the EU or the US. For a protocol that is certain to be at leat $10k, they
» NEED wealthy markets, not impoverished 3rd world economies.
»
» Silly, desperate little man, clutching to false hope and rumors right
» along with the last strands of your hair. You’ll learn.
Haha its so funny how you say 99% of Chinese are impoverished while the US owes $772 trillion to china alone. Makes you really feel sorry for those poor impoverished bastards… and thats only 23% of the national debt.
Having lived in both Europe and the US I know for a fact that medication prices are roughly the same. In fact Propecia is more expensive in Europe than it is in the US. But you keep believing that this great nation with its non socialized health care is subsidizing medication for the rest of the world.
And if you seriously think FDA stands for ensuring quality than take a look at the history of the FDA with the corrupt ex-chairmen of GMO firms like Monsanto now heading the FDA passing special interest drug regulations. There have been several law suits of FDA scientists who have been laid off for publishing research which was against the special interest of the cooperations which are tightly associated with the FDA.
At least in china you get hanged for putting lead into childrens toys…
Some links of interest:
http://www.truthout.org/010909A
Do we really have to get into a usa-europe pissing match?
The FDA is certainly corrupt. But still, you could do a lot worse than to trust their word about the safety of a product.
The USA market is huge and it’s disproportionate to the raw population numbers. Having said that, there will be plenty of money in a HM method that isn’t sold in the USA.
Besides, I don’t think it will matter in the long run. Once anything this highly in demand has become common in another region of the world, the american public will demand it and the company will have the fresh profits to grease the wheels to get it fast-tracked through the FDA in a few years anyway.
» » Does the FDA rule the world. Is it their process that dictates what the
» » rest of the world can do?
»
» A pharma corporation will not go forward with a protocol if it can’t sell
» in the US. Why? Because the low profit margins of the socialized
» healthcare systems of the world are subsidized by the gigantic profits
» provided by the free market healthcare of America. Without the ability to
» sell in the US, most drugs would not be profitable enough to justify their
» tremendous R&D and marketing costs. So for all intents and purposes, yes,
» the FDA rules the world and dictates what the rest of the world can do.
» Does that mean that some snake-oil couldn’t pop-up in India or China or
» some other third-world country that has substandard safety profiles and
» give you some hair? No, but it will probably give you some cancer to go
» with your new locks. No FDA = no sale.
»
» Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA trials.
» That’s economic reality.
You have a point about the market being the US. That seems to be where the most vanity exists. Go figure a product for hair restoration would balloon there. Now, that’s not a dig, its just a fact. You keep referring to a drug or snake oil. I am not getting from the limited amount of knowledge on the company, Trichoscience, that they are talking about oils, lotions or drugs. I think, from what I’ve read, is that they are working from a pure scientific basis on cell biology. I am trying to take a fact based point of view and not one of speculation on what government regulated bodies do of which I don’t believe any of us are experts. Based on what I’ve read recently, TrichoScience just nabbed one of the foremost experts in that field.
» » » Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA
» trials.
» »
» » » That’s economic reality.
» »
» » No, it is not.
» »
» » For example: In China there live about 1,4 billion humans - just China.
» So
» » do you really believe they are interested in any “American FDA rules”?
» »
» » Sometimes it seems, the Americans believe they are the only one on this
» » planet.
» »
» » But to make things clear: Yes, IF FDA is doing well for the
» human
» » being in general - great!
» » On the other hand, sometimes there could be good reasons to
» avoid/ignore
» » “FDA rules” for the very first step to market any clinical product.
» That
» » means, others (like Histogen seems to do so) try to market their
» products
» » in other markets first. Reason: It could be easier, faster and less
» » expensive to get approval. And sometimes it could be all in all more
» » efficient in general e.g. to get more and faster experiences. And if
» » everything went well, it could be easier to get (complicated) FDA
» approval
» » too - but AFTER step one (other countries first) …
» »
» » Extract
» » Different countries have different regulatory requirements and
» » enforcement abilities. “An estimated 40 percent of all clinical
» trials
» » now take place in Asia, Eastern Europe, central and south America.
» » “There is no compulsory registration system for clinical trials in
» these
» » countries and many do not follow European directives in their
» operations”,
» » says Dr. Jacob Sijtsma of the Netherlands-based WEMOS, an advocacy
» health
» » organisation tracking clinical trials in developing countries.”
» » Clinical trial - Wikipedia
»
» So you’d take a drug that was only tested in China? Where they have NO
» PROBLEM bringing dangerous products to market? Using lead paint in
» children’s toys? Selling dog food that kills pets? Notice how Histogen
» wants to sell to “all of Asia except Japan”? Know why? Because Japan is
» the only country in Asia with acceptable safety profiles, and they wouldn’t
» allow the sale of questionable products in their market.
»
» And you STILL don’t get the economics of the situation. 1.4 billion
» people in China, and 9 out of 10 of them are IMPOVERISHED. The others are
» barely middle class by 1st world standards. So how many Chinese are going
» to shell out $10,000-$20,000 for a hair treatment? That’s more than 99% of
» China’s citizens’ annual salary. So, again, if you want to earn money on
» drug or a protocol, you have to sell in the States. Sorry I insulted your
» little Euro ego, but that’s fact.
»
» And sure, drugs are tested elsewhere, but they are drugs that were never
» intended to see the 1st world market, so they don’t care about selling to
» the EU or the US. For a protocol that is certain to be at leat $10k, they
» NEED wealthy markets, not impoverished 3rd world economies.
»
» Silly, desperate little man, clutching to false hope and rumors right
» along with the last strands of your hair. You’ll learn.
You make good points about China. I don’t think there is a company on the planet that wants to do any research in China. In fact, I would think they take great precautions releasing any form of their technology there at all. I could see China being on the tail end of any new technology as they would want to recoup their investments long before they stole it.
» » » Does the FDA rule the world. Is it their process that dictates what
» the
» » » rest of the world can do?
» »
» » A pharma corporation will not go forward with a protocol if it can’t
» sell
» » in the US. Why? Because the low profit margins of the socialized
» » healthcare systems of the world are subsidized by the gigantic profits
» » provided by the free market healthcare of America. Without the ability
» to
» » sell in the US, most drugs would not be profitable enough to justify
» their
» » tremendous R&D and marketing costs. So for all intents and purposes,
» yes,
» » the FDA rules the world and dictates what the rest of the world can do.
»
» » Does that mean that some snake-oil couldn’t pop-up in India or China or
» » some other third-world country that has substandard safety profiles and
» » give you some hair? No, but it will probably give you some cancer to
» go
» » with your new locks. No FDA = no sale.
» »
» » Face it - if you want a new hair loss protocol, it must pass FDA trials.
»
» » That’s economic reality.
»
» You have a point about the market being the US. That seems to be where the
» most vanity exists. Go figure a product for hair restoration would balloon
» there. Now, that’s not a dig, its just a fact. You keep referring to a
» drug or snake oil. I am not getting from the limited amount of knowledge on
» the company, Trichoscience, that they are talking about oils, lotions or
» drugs. I think, from what I’ve read, is that they are working from a pure
» scientific basis on cell biology. I am trying to take a fact based point of
» view and not one of speculation on what government regulated bodies do of
» which I don’t believe any of us are experts. Based on what I’ve read
» recently, TrichoScience just nabbed one of the foremost experts in that
» field.
Yes you have a good point.US = Vanity,the rest of the world just watches,it does seem the norm in the US.Hair transplants,plastic surgery,etc.
In the UK its getting there,but it’ll take quite a few years before the UK catches up.
Now it might not be vanity in the US,it may be because your all so damn ugly,haha!
» You have a point about the market being the US. That seems to be where the
» most vanity exists. Go figure a product for hair restoration would balloon
» there. Now, that’s not a dig, its just a fact. You keep referring to a
» drug or snake oil. I am not getting from the limited amount of knowledge on
» the company, Trichoscience, that they are talking about oils, lotions or
» drugs. I think, from what I’ve read, is that they are working from a pure
» scientific basis on cell biology. I am trying to take a fact based point of
» view and not one of speculation on what government regulated bodies do of
» which I don’t believe any of us are experts. Based on what I’ve read
» recently, TrichoScience just nabbed one of the foremost experts in that
» field.
That is correct - and no secret.
Similar like Intercytex just did it with Dr. Jerry Cooley in 2001, TrichoScience did the same with Dr. Kevin McElwee (recruited by Dr. Jerry Shapiro) in 2004. Dr. McElwee is one of only a few people in the world who hold a doctoral degree in hair biology - but he’s not almighty: All he is doing is what most researchers do: Just working on the shoulders (their work) of other reasearchers. If there are problems, they just wait how other researchers did solve any problem. That is the reason, why they have always been 1 or 2 steps behind e.g. Aderans. But McElwee is not the only one:
For example, Dr. Cotsarelis (Follica) or Dr. Sinclair (Melbourne University) these researchers are just do what others did, resp. already found out.
The only REAL (successful) “hair researchers” are behind Aderans/Bosley and currently Histogen - and that is among researchers in this field no secret. One or both will be the first and the big winner in this field. All others will be just 1 or 2 steps behind them - maybe/probably with similar problems like currently Histogen. REASON: Since centuries we drive on wheels, because it is the only and successful option to move successful forward. Similar situation with successful HM … 
Dr. Washenik (Bosley) and others already mentioned that years ago. That is the REASON, why they placed their patents (abstracts) on their website. This action you can call “Researchers/Companies, be careful out there!” - or something like that …
» » You have a point about the market being the US. That seems to be where
» the
» » most vanity exists. Go figure a product for hair restoration would
» balloon
» » there. Now, that’s not a dig, its just a fact. You keep referring to a
» » drug or snake oil. I am not getting from the limited amount of knowledge
» on
» » the company, Trichoscience, that they are
» talking about oils, lotions or
» » drugs. I think, from what I’ve read, is that they are
» working from a pure
» » scientific basis on cell biology. I am trying
» to take a fact based point of
» » view and not one of speculation on what government regulated bodies do
» of
» » which I don’t believe any of us are experts. Based on what
» I’ve read
» » recently, TrichoScience just nabbed one of the foremost
» experts in that
» » field.
»
» That is correct - and no secret.
»
» Similar like Intercytex just did it with Dr. Jerry Cooley in 2001,
» TrichoScience did the same with Dr. Kevin McElwee (recruited by Dr. Jerry
» Shapiro) in 2004. Dr. McElwee is one of only a few people in the world who
» hold a doctoral degree in hair biology - but he’s not almighty: All he is
» doing is what most researchers do: Just working on the shoulders (their
» work) of other reasearchers. If there are problems, they just wait how
» other researchers did solve any problem. That is the reason, why they have
» always been 1 or 2 steps behind e.g. Aderans. But McElwee is not the only
» one:
»
» For example, Dr. Cotsarelis (Follica) or Dr. Sinclair (Melbourne
» University) these researchers are just do what others did, resp. already
» found out.
»
» The only REAL (successful) “hair researchers” are behind Aderans/Bosley
» and currently Histogen - and that is among researchers in this field no
» secret. One or both will be the first and the big winner in this field. All
» others will be just 1 or 2 steps behind them - maybe/probably with similar
» problems like currently Histogen. REASON: Since centuries we drive on
» wheels, because it is the only and successful option to move successful
» forward. Similar situation with successful HM …
» Dr. Washenik (Bosley) and others already mentioned that years ago. That is
» the REASON, why they placed their patents (abstracts) on their website.
» This action you can call “Researchers/Companies, be careful out there!” -
» or something like that …
Very interesting observance and i can’t say I disagree with most of it. My only question is that if Aderans/Bosleys have received patents for their discoveries how is it that trs have been awarded for work in their field. This doesn’t fit into your scenario of them “riding on the shoulders” of others? Not sure how this fits into your explanation.
As for the USA being more vain - It’s because physical appearance is becoming an arms race here. The first few guys have the choice, but it becomes less and less optional for other men as it becomes more prevalent.
» As for the USA being more vain - It’s because physical appearance is
» becoming an arms race here. The first few guys have the choice, but it
» becomes less and less optional for other men as it becomes more prevalent.
Cal, what do you mean “the first few guys have the choice”? The first few guys in what?
» Very interesting observance and i can’t say I disagree with most of it. My
» only question is that if Aderans/Bosleys have received patents for their
» discoveries how is it that trs have been awarded for work in their field.
» This doesn’t fit into your scenario of them “riding on the shoulders” of
» others? Not sure how this fits into your explanation.
Maybe here you can find answers:
Others have [just] claimed to have also reproduced Jahoda’s work but nothing has been published in medical journals.
Even if the basic technique is proven to be consistently reproducible, many other issues present roadblocks. Dr. Jahoda obtained a patent on implanting cultured papilla for hair restoration but subsequently this patent was allowed to expire for various reasons. Any group wishing to mount a successful commercial “cloning” venture must face challenging intellectual property and patent protection issues. The scientific obstacles to implementing this technology are no less daunting.
Source: http://www.hairlossXXXX.com/hair_cloning/cloning_whatis.cfm
In simple words:
TODAY (not e.g. 10 years ago) I know exactly HOW “hair cloning” (or whatever you call it) WORKS, because I know EVERYTHING obout it, simple because I know every existing (published) scientific paper in this regard - at least the most important one.
In addition, I know EVERY important patent in this regard - and also why they are important, because I know the science ( and “secrets” ) behind them.
But currently I can do nothing - at least for “white” business. Because others (like Aderans or Histogen) have already patents on the successful “HM-Wheel” …
All in all, this will be a BIG and HOT topic in future. Currently it already seems to be “hot” …
Roger, I mean that the first few people to “cheat” in any game always have the most choice about it. (Whether “cheating” means doing unnatural things to keep looking younger, performing better, whatever. It applies to any kind of raising the bar at anything.)
If most of the other players in the game have already started cheating, then you no longer have as much choice anymore. Now you would be denied your rightful place in the rankings just for NOT cheating.
Of course everyone still technically has a choice no matter how many people are cheating. But the situation is now unfairly rigged against choosing to staying natural.
My ultimate point is that when 1 guy in 50 gets cosmetic surgery, it’s optional. When 1 guy in 2 is getting it, then it is becoming less and less optional and more mandatory to compete in modern life. Cosmetic surgery in the USA is not anywhere near 1 in 2 yet, but the trend of increase is there.
Once upon a time 100 years ago it was pretty optional to have a full set of straight white teeth. Now you can’t get a lot of normal professional jobs without it.
»
» My ultimate point is that when 1 guy in 50 gets cosmetic surgery, it’s
» optional. When 1 guy in 2 is getting it, then it is becomeing less and
» less optional and more mandatory to compete.
»
» Cosmetic surgery in the USA is not near 1 in 2 yet but the trend of
» increase is there. (Once upon a time 100 years ago it was pretty optional
» to have a full set of straight white teeth. Now you can’t get a lot of
» normal professional jobs without it.)
OK, that makes sense. Very true. At least, if you have dirty/yellow teeth, you are looked at as an outlier. The only person I’ve worked with who had ugly yellow teeth was a chain smoker… but he had a full, thick head of hair – which made up for his teeth, I guess!