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#1

I am feeling kind of down today & apologise for spaming your board but I’d like some feedback on some thoughts…All be it some stupid ones.

The actual multiplication process is not the problem.It seems to me that the biggest problem these ppl r having is that they cannot control the direction of the hair growth nor can they control density.
Wouldn’t it be easier for companies to focus on growing hairs outside of the body then having full size follicles transplanted into the scalp as they are currently doing with traditional HTP methods?
This is still a viable option for the patient & current strip docs.At least you don’t have 2 worry about getting butchered.
I could swear reading somewhere that Dr Farjo’s assistant had said that they had just discovered that they will be able to grow hairs outside of the body.
So many lives could still be saved by this method.
They could start of with this process & then take baby steps towards making cells work. You have to learn how to walk before you run.

Also, do u think that the fact the English government gave ICX a grant will force ICX to lie about their results so not to publicly lose face? Could it be that it is a complete failure & they are just stringing the public along so not to harm their reputation?
Do you think that ICX will offer a international trial? Recruit doctors from around the world 2 conduct trials? Maybe this is what small size commercialisation really is ?
We have all heard that Armani is working on a cellular solution to hair loss & I really don’t believe him. Has anyone heard that Dr Cole is working on a cellular solution for hair loss as well?

Also,1 other stupid thing. What are the chances that someone will come out of the blue with a cellular solution ? Can there really be various companies working in secret to save us all?


#2

» Wouldn’t it be easier for companies to focus on growing hairs outside of
» the body then having full size follicles transplanted into the scalp as
» they are currently doing with traditional HTP methods?

Cloning hair follicles is many years away, HM should be here sooner ( well, if it occurs someday )


#3

» What are the chances that someone will come out
» of the blue with a cellular solution ? Can there really be various
» companies working in secret to save us all?

Only believe in miracles if you need it.


#4

» I am feeling kind of down today & apologise for spaming your board but I’d
» like some feedback on some thoughts…All be it some stupid ones.
»
» The actual multiplication process is not the problem.It seems to me that
» the biggest problem these ppl r having is that they cannot control the
» direction of the hair growth nor can they control density.
» Wouldn’t it be easier for companies to focus on growing hairs outside of
» the body then having full size follicles transplanted into the scalp as
» they are currently doing with traditional HTP methods?
» This is still a viable option for the patient & current strip docs.At
» least you don’t have 2 worry about getting butchered.
» I could swear reading somewhere that Dr Farjo’s assistant had said that
» they had just discovered that they will be able to grow hairs outside of
» the body.
» So many lives could still be saved by this method.
» They could start of with this process & then take baby steps towards
» making cells work. You have to learn how to walk before you run.
»
» Also, do u think that the fact the English government gave ICX a grant
» will force ICX to lie about their results so not to publicly lose face?
» Could it be that it is a complete failure & they are just stringing the
» public along so not to harm their reputation?
» Do you think that ICX will offer a international trial? Recruit doctors
» from around the world 2 conduct trials? Maybe this is what small size
» commercialisation really is ?
» We have all heard that Armani is working on a cellular solution to hair
» loss & I really don’t believe him. Has anyone heard that Dr Cole is working
» on a cellular solution for hair loss as well?
»
» Also,1 other stupid thing. What are the chances that someone will come out
» of the blue with a cellular solution ? Can there really be various
» companies working in secret to save us all?

Nobody knows what InterCytex is really upto. We discussed them to death, yet we’re still in the dark. We’ve seen a ton of media coverage of late, but it could be nothing more than a positive PR spin to rally stock prices.

Regarding your comments about a cellular solution… we’re seeing allot of that research happening today. Follica (estimates. 3-5 years), Histogen (est. 7 years), and Luna Nano Technology (unknown) along with rumors Dr. Mercola is working on something at the cellular level. Dr. Armani keeps mentioning he’s upto something, and Dr. Batra is also working on hair cloning in India. Of course we don’t know if any of these technologies will work, but at least we have some honest to goodness experts tackling the problem Simply look at the academics attending the 2008 “Follicle Stem Cell Workshop” in Berlin. Anyone of them could bring us closer to a cure. There’s a real shift in this life science… from hacking people open to actually looking for a damn cure, so try to stay positive.

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#5

– Folica and Acell are currently the best prospects. They both seem to have promising hope for replacing lost hair by manipulating the body’s natural healing processes after a slight injury to the scalp skin. It looks like it could really be a legit “get back what was lost” scenario, not just struggling for a bit of density improvements with a huge effort invested.

– ICX’s project has taken a sharp turn for the worse by most of our reckonings. Their phase#2 results are so weak that the company is clearly struggling to avoid showing their hand anymore. And the bottom line is that they themselves are refusing to put more money into the project without outside help. Speaks volumes.

– I’ve been paying attention to the hair replacement efforts for years, and at this point I think cloning is basically a misplaced effort.

MPB doesn’t destroy the follicles. Even the scar tissue & collagen of late-stage MPB would get easily knocked out of the way by emerging new hair shafts when they get artificially started again. I think experiments have actually proven this.

We have tens of thousands of intact follicles already on our heads, perfect hair color & characteristics, no scarring from implantation, etc. I don’t believe it makes sense to put so much effort into recreating new follicles rather than just learning to manipulate such a basic function of the existing ones.

(I would compare it to trying to build your car a whole new engine rather than just learning why the existing engine stopped running. If you try to learn engine-building then you might eventually be able to make a new engine correctly - but you will have gained more than enough knowledge to just fix the existing engine problem LONG before then.)


#6

Thanks guys.I’m having trouble trying to get to sleep tonight because of my situation & I could use all the positive energy I can get.I’ve lost track of how many times I have gone to bed & gotten back up.This PC is sick of being restarted & switched off every few minutes.
I really thought that ICX would have saved us,I was certain they would.I was heartbroken when i read that they weren’t spending any more of their money on researching hm.I am hoping that their decision is nothing more a business move & not a reflection on results. I know that sounds stupid but I have become really desperate.

But you have to admit,it seems odd that they would discover that they can increase hair counts with pre-treatment scalp stimulation & now they don’t want to continue the research.Why would you stop if you have found another piece of the puzzle ?
Also,they may not make deadlines but their website is always up to date with their facts & agendas.If they don’t plan on manufacturing this product,why is this paragraph still on their site ?

Manufacturing

Intercytex will manufacture ICX-TRC for Europe and the US from its own manufacturing facilities. In October 2006, Intercytex was awarded a grant from the DTI to develop a robotic system with The Automation Partnership for the commercial scale production of patients’ autologous DP cells. The robotic system has an established track record in processing many different cell samples simultaneously, so that at this scale, in which large numbers of different patients’ cells are handled, all samples remain isolated throughout the multiplication process.

Don’t you think this entire paragraph would have been removed if they were not going to manufacture it?
Oh well,if you guys have discussed ICX to death then I am sure my comments are only boring or aggravating you all.I am sorry.
Who knows? Maybe I am just too dumb to understand or see what is really going on.ICX are planning on releasing data in September so i guess we will have to wait & see.
My biggest fear is that HM is a big lie just like strip surgery,FUE & BHT.


#7

Hello Dear friend.

I suggest that you read a thread called “Serious Seeds” …the thread does not contain a lot of text …but its rich in valuable links.

Best Regards.

Force et Honneur my friend !


#8

butchered & hiding, there is a good chance (only speculation though) that Dr.Kemp at ICX has seen the potential of Folica i.e. simple dermabrasion, and it’s ability to give people relatively full head of hair in a novel way. That’s why they’re holding onto phase-II for now before investing millions of dollars in phase-III and ending up being overshadowed by Follica.

The other possibility is that they still need to refine their phase-II because from what we know yet their results aren’t anything to get excited about. If the results were good, Intercytex would have definitely published those in an effort to jack up their share price.

I still think if Dr. Kemp can work out the rejuvenation issue (i.e. TRC only rejuvenates hair), that would be a BIG win for Intercytex, as most of the recently balding/bald guys in their 20s would rather have their existing follicles rejuvenated then create loads of new hair. Almost every guy would rather have the genetic code for his hair updated (which TRC supposedly does) then to wait for losing hair and get Follica.

I’d say, the market for TRC is still very strong - even if Follica comes to market first still TRC would make big bucks. However, if ACELL works at rejuvenating hair - it’s supposed to reset the time clock in cells, then of course TRC & Follica don’t stand a chance!


#9

I mean we know that follica’s method is creating new follicles,

however, we don’t know yet the density will be good enough to say this product is “cure” for baldness.

Folica and Acell are currently the best prospects. They both seem to
» have promising hope for replacing lost hair by manipulating the body’s
» natural healing processes after a slight injury to the scalp skin. It
» looks like it could really be a legit “get back what was lost” scenario,
» not just struggling for a bit of density improvements with a huge effort
» invested.
»
»
»
» – ICX’s project has taken a sharp turn for the worse by most of our
» reckonings. Their phase#2 results are so weak that the company is clearly
» struggling to avoid showing their hand anymore. And the bottom line is
» that they themselves are refusing to put more money into the project
» without outside help. Speaks volumes.
»
»
»
»
»
»
» – I’ve been paying attention to the hair replacement efforts for years,
» and at this point I think cloning is basically a misplaced effort.
»
» MPB doesn’t destroy the follicles. Even the scar tissue & collagen of
» late-stage MPB would get easily knocked out of the way by emerging new hair
» shafts when they get artificially started again. I think experiments have
» actually proven this.
»
» We have tens of thousands of intact follicles already on our heads,
» perfect hair color & characteristics, no scarring from implantation, etc.
» I don’t believe it makes sense to put so much effort into recreating new
» follicles rather than just learning to manipulate such a basic function of
» the existing ones.
»
» (I would compare it to trying to build your car a whole new engine rather
» than just learning why the existing engine stopped running. If you try to
» learn engine-building then you might eventually be able to make a new
» engine correctly - but you will have gained more than enough knowledge to
» just fix the existing engine problem LONG before then.)


#10

Nature article states that they(Cotsarelis team) have been able to double the number of follicles through Wnt stimulation .

See this picture :
http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg

1)Inhibition of Wnt pathway (no follicles forming).
2/Cotrol (some follicles are forming).
3/Wnt protein injected (more follicles formation).

You can do the counting for us if you are interested.

This of course the “mouse model”.


#11

When reading their website they mentioned that some trialists weren’t available to show results at certain weeks while others were “lost.” The trialists are all from Manchester,all aware that they have to be at Farjo’s clinic at certain dates to show off what they have.They are obviously bald so they want this trial to work,yet some of them aren’t showing up to show off their results?
Do you think these guys work out first hand that it’s b.s & don’t bother going back anymore?


#12

» When reading their website they mentioned that some trialists weren’t
» available to show results at certain weeks while others were “lost.” The
» trialists are all from Manchester,all aware that they have to be at Farjo’s
» clinic at certain dates to show off what they have.They are obviously bald
» so they want this trial to work,yet some of them aren’t showing up to show
» off their results?
» Do you think these guys work out first hand that it’s b.s & don’t bother
» going back anymore?

I know. Most of us will agree it’s all pretty suspect.

Don’t let it get to you. At least Intercytex isn’t the only game in town anymore, and nothing gets results like some market demand and a little unfriendly competition.

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