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#1

Tell us again how these photos dont show any regrowth with Nizoral
its so funny to see you guys bald faced lie through your teeth to hold onto your
idiot leaders theories


#2

» Tell us again how these photos dont show any regrowth with Nizoral
» its so funny to see you guys bald faced lie through your teeth to hold
» onto your
» idiot leaders theories

Baldin…Call your seeing eye dog over to look at the pics for you.

The January '07 pic is totally dark.
Maybe he didn’t pay his electric bill. Yeah that’s it. It couldn’t be done for deception…What a moron…

He took a dark pic to hide baldness…

Class dismissed

The King


#3

» » Tell us again how these photos dont show any regrowth with Nizoral
» » its so funny to see you guys bald faced lie through your teeth to hold
» » onto your
» » idiot leaders theories
»
» Baldin…Call your seeing eye dog over to look at the pics for you.
»
» The January '07 pic is totally dark.
» Maybe he didn’t pay his electric bill. Yeah that’s it. It couldn’t be done
» for deception…What a moron…
»
» He took a dark pic to hide baldness…
»
» Class dismissed
»
» The King

yes the recent pic is dark, so what, The second pic is not dark and it shows A HELL OF A LOT OF GROWTH,
dont even look at the thin spot , lets assume thats totally bald, its still a MUCH MUCH SMALLER area than the bald area in the first pic

Look at the line of the thick hair that surrounds the crown, and the size of the crown thin area, and compare that to the first pic, hell the bald area,
has shrunk by 60-75 percent…its amazing

If you GIB guys are so focused on your theories that you refuse to acknowledge regrowth WHATEVER THE REGIMEN WAS that caused it, then you are frauds, pure and simple

arent you famous for blurry DARK crappy photos yourself ? baldy?


#4

C’mon Hangin. What are Lawrence Cutsinger and all the other nimrods (Larry’s Sheeple) over at <> going to think of you posting this nonsense? Cease and desist immediately.


#5

I really dont think Custinger and these posters (Im not completely convinced they aren’t all the same guy, with Widowspeak actually being a “believer”) will ever admit that not only does shampoo not cause hairloss, but if it has the right ingredients can actually help fight androgenic alopecia.

Its a point of personal principle that these guys (this guy?) will never “admit” that they are wrong. Ive seen similar psychologies with a few other people who have developed alternative baldness theories. You can disprove them with extensive quotations of studies, pictures of successes of various treatments and the like, but they will blithely explain them away using twisted, perverted logic.
In short gents…the shampoo-is-evil-folk will never admit they are wrong. If a real “cure” for baldness is come up with, they will just slink off the forums never conceeding it. You will probably never have the satisfaction of seeing one of them saying…“what a fool I was, obviously I was wrong”, etc.

Quite frankly, when I first heard of the shampoo theory…looked into it, and discounted it, I had considered the possibility of it being the brainchild of of a transplant or wig salesman. You see every year a guy who has started to receed delays getting on finas and nizoral (or herbal anti-androgens and nizoral), the more likely he is to lose quite a bit and wind up years later getting surgery or a wig, etc.

Nizoral in particular, would be a natural target for such folks because if enough teens and early twenties men started using it a couple of days a week before MPB begins at all…they’d have a chance of really staving off baldness for some time.
Bryan Shelton has mentioned that if men who were predisposed to MPB got on finasteride BEFORE they ever started losing hair…the androgenic stimulation of the hairs might not ever get high enough to “flip” the hairs response to androgens and begin MPB at all. Bryan knows a great great deal about hair, and that is something to consider. So many of us on hairloss sites lost hair before beginning. It would be interesting in a few years time to see young men who were pretty sure they were gonna bald like dad and grandad did report on hairsites that they got on something like nizoral and revivogen or herbal DHT blockers when they were 21 or something, and are now in their thirties and for whatever reason have never lost any hair when they should be going bald or thought they would have been…its something to ponder.

I feel very confident if some drug-maker had actually made RU58841 and put it on the market as a topical at a reasonable price (thirty bucks a month) in an after shower spray bottle…many, many, many men would have gotten on it and their would be mysteriously rather few balding young men by now.

There is even a guy pushing a “sebum-back up” theory of baldness based on short haircuts not allowing for sebum to travel long enough away from the follicle, and its getting stuck in the infidilum (opening in the dermis where the hair comes out), backing up and interrupting the stem cell flow from the arrector pilli muscle to the dermal papilla in early various stages, and eliciting the immune response and being the real cause of baldness. He claims hair need androgens etc. Ive been able to thouroughly refute him, but he justblithely goes on. I wondered for a while about him being in the employ of surgeons or wigmakers for much the same reason. If young men who were beginning to go bald, simply grew their hair long and waited for a few years…it would be a few years that they simply lost more hair and got used to wearing their hair long (and thus really dreaded buzzing it short) and more likely to get surgery or buy a piece. I dont think this about him now though, and just think he’s genuinely deludged and fascinated about his own very wrong idea, but the effect is the same. I dont think there is one person online who has fallen for it though…Ive not noted anyone agreeing with him despite him pushing it pretty hard. Its just so easily disproveable (finasteride, the failure of a type one inhibitor to do anything for baldness despite lowering sebum secretions, hair transplants growing all your life despite being put up front, etc.).

Custinger presents all the mental characteristics of a “guru”. These types are never very self-introspective and always exhibit a messianic complex. Dont expect the satisfaction of ever seeing him admit he’s wrong. But you probably will kill off any hope of him attracting any more believers.


#6

» I really dont think Custinger and these posters (Im not completely
» convinced they aren’t all the same guy, with Widowspeak actually being a
» “believer”) will ever admit that not only does shampoo not cause hairloss,
» but if it has the right ingredients can actually help fight androgenic
» alopecia.
»
»
» Its a point of personal principle that these guys (this guy?) will never
» “admit” that they are wrong. Ive seen similar psychologies with a few
» other people who have developed alternative baldness theories. You can
» disprove them with extensive quotations of studies, pictures of successes
» of various treatments and the like, but they will blithely explain them
» away using twisted, perverted logic.
» In short gents…the shampoo-is-evil-folk will never admit
» they are wrong. If a real “cure” for baldness is come up with, they will
» just slink off the forums never conceeding it. You will probably never
» have the satisfaction of seeing one of them saying…“what
» a fool I was, obviously I was wrong”, etc.
»
» Quite frankly, when I first heard of the shampoo
» theory…looked into it, and discounted it, I had considered
» the possibility of it being the brainchild of of a transplant or wig
» salesman. You see every year a guy who has started to receed delays
» getting on finas and nizoral (or herbal anti-androgens and nizoral), the
» more likely he is to lose quite a bit and wind up years later getting
» surgery or a wig, etc.
»
» Nizoral in particular, would be a natural target for such folks because if
» enough teens and early twenties men started using it a couple of days a
» week before MPB begins at all…they’d have a chance of
» really staving off baldness for some time.
» Bryan Shelton has mentioned that if men who were predisposed to MPB got on
» finasteride BEFORE they ever started losing hair…the
» androgenic stimulation of the hairs might not ever get high enough to
» “flip” the hairs response to androgens and begin MPB at all. Bryan knows a
» great great deal about hair, and that is something to consider. So many of
» us on hairloss sites lost hair before beginning. It would be interesting
» in a few years time to see young men who were pretty sure they were gonna
» bald like dad and grandad did report on hairsites that they got on
» something like nizoral and revivogen or herbal DHT blockers when they were
» 21 or something, and are now in their thirties and for whatever reason have
» never lost any hair when they should be going bald or thought they would
» have been…its something to ponder.
»
»
» I feel very confident if some drug-maker had actually made RU58841 and put
» it on the market as a topical at a reasonable price (thirty bucks a month)
» in an after shower spray bottle…many, many,
» many men would have gotten on it and their would be mysteriously rather
» few balding young men by now.
»
»
» There is even a guy pushing a “sebum-back up” theory of baldness based on
» short haircuts not allowing for sebum to travel long enough away from the
» follicle, and its getting stuck in the infidilum (opening in the dermis
» where the hair comes out), backing up and interrupting the stem cell flow
» from the arrector pilli muscle to the dermal papilla in early various
» stages, and eliciting the immune response and being the real cause of
» baldness. He claims hair need androgens etc. Ive been able to thouroughly
» refute him, but he justblithely goes on. I wondered for a while about him
» being in the employ of surgeons or wigmakers for much the same reason. If
» young men who were beginning to go bald, simply grew their hair long and
» waited for a few years…it would be a few years
» that they simply lost more hair and got used to wearing their hair long
» (and thus really dreaded buzzing it short) and more likely to get surgery
» or buy a piece. I dont think this about him now though, and just think
» he’s genuinely deludged and fascinated about his own very wrong idea, but
» the effect is the same. I dont think there is one person online who has
» fallen for it though…Ive not noted anyone agreeing with him
» despite him pushing it pretty hard. Its just so easily disproveable
» (finasteride, the failure of a type one inhibitor to do anything for
» baldness despite lowering sebum secretions, hair transplants growing all
» your life despite being put up front, etc.).
»
»
» Custinger presents all the mental characteristics of a “guru”. These types
» are never very self-introspective and always exhibit a messianic complex.
» Dont expect the satisfaction of ever seeing him admit he’s wrong. But you
» probably will kill off any hope of him attracting any more believers.

you are right the cult members are deaf dumb and blind, and they all sound like they are 14 yrs old when they type too


#7

Good post, benji (or, is it benjiah?).


#8

» C’mon Hangin. What are Lawrence Cutsinger and all the other nimrods
» (Larry’s Sheeple) over at <> going to think of you posting this
» nonsense? Cease and desist immediately.

Lick my sack :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

im gonna remember that one


#9

Hangin:

I am glad that you enjoyed it!

Jtelecom


#10

» I really dont think Custinger and these posters (Im not completely
» convinced they aren’t all the same guy, with Widowspeak actually being a
» “believer”) will ever admit that not only does shampoo not cause hairloss,
» but if it has the right ingredients can actually help fight androgenic
» alopecia.
»
»
» Its a point of personal principle that these guys (this guy?) will never
» “admit” that they are wrong. Ive seen similar psychologies with a few
» other people who have developed alternative baldness theories. You can
» disprove them with extensive quotations of studies, pictures of successes
» of various treatments and the like, but they will blithely explain them
» away using twisted, perverted logic.
» In short gents…the shampoo-is-evil-folk will never admit
» they are wrong. If a real “cure” for baldness is come up with, they will
» just slink off the forums never conceeding it. You will probably never
» have the satisfaction of seeing one of them saying…“what
» a fool I was, obviously I was wrong”, etc.
»
» Quite frankly, when I first heard of the shampoo
» theory…looked into it, and discounted it, I had considered
» the possibility of it being the brainchild of of a transplant or wig
» salesman. You see every year a guy who has started to receed delays
» getting on finas and nizoral (or herbal anti-androgens and nizoral), the
» more likely he is to lose quite a bit and wind up years later getting
» surgery or a wig, etc.
»
» Nizoral in particular, would be a natural target for such folks because if
» enough teens and early twenties men started using it a couple of days a
» week before MPB begins at all…they’d have a chance of
» really staving off baldness for some time.
» Bryan Shelton has mentioned that if men who were predisposed to MPB got on
» finasteride BEFORE they ever started losing hair…the
» androgenic stimulation of the hairs might not ever get high enough to
» “flip” the hairs response to androgens and begin MPB at all. Bryan knows a
» great great deal about hair, and that is something to consider. So many of
» us on hairloss sites lost hair before beginning. It would be interesting
» in a few years time to see young men who were pretty sure they were gonna
» bald like dad and grandad did report on hairsites that they got on
» something like nizoral and revivogen or herbal DHT blockers when they were
» 21 or something, and are now in their thirties and for whatever reason have
» never lost any hair when they should be going bald or thought they would
» have been…its something to ponder.
»
»
» I feel very confident if some drug-maker had actually made RU58841 and put
» it on the market as a topical at a reasonable price (thirty bucks a month)
» in an after shower spray bottle…many, many,
» many men would have gotten on it and their would be mysteriously rather
» few balding young men by now.
»
»
» There is even a guy pushing a “sebum-back up” theory of baldness based on
» short haircuts not allowing for sebum to travel long enough away from the
» follicle, and its getting stuck in the infidilum (opening in the dermis
» where the hair comes out), backing up and interrupting the stem cell flow
» from the arrector pilli muscle to the dermal papilla in early various
» stages, and eliciting the immune response and being the real cause of
» baldness. He claims hair need androgens etc. Ive been able to thouroughly
» refute him, but he justblithely goes on. I wondered for a while about him
» being in the employ of surgeons or wigmakers for much the same reason. If
» young men who were beginning to go bald, simply grew their hair long and
» waited for a few years…it would be a few years
» that they simply lost more hair and got used to wearing their hair long
» (and thus really dreaded buzzing it short) and more likely to get surgery
» or buy a piece. I dont think this about him now though, and just think
» he’s genuinely deludged and fascinated about his own very wrong idea, but
» the effect is the same. I dont think there is one person online who has
» fallen for it though…Ive not noted anyone agreeing with him
» despite him pushing it pretty hard. Its just so easily disproveable
» (finasteride, the failure of a type one inhibitor to do anything for
» baldness despite lowering sebum secretions, hair transplants growing all
» your life despite being put up front, etc.).
»
»
» Custinger presents all the mental characteristics of a “guru”. These types
» are never very self-introspective and always exhibit a messianic complex.
» Dont expect the satisfaction of ever seeing him admit he’s wrong. But you
» probably will kill off any hope of him attracting any more believers.

as far as Nizoral, I have never seen pics for regrowth in a bald area posted like the ones from gc1961, so it sure seems to do something

I know i have dandruff and itching even today, no matter what i eat no matter how hard i try to shampoo correctly etc and I KNOW that it makes my hair fall out like crazy


#11

» as far as Nizoral, I have never seen pics for regrowth in a bald area
» posted like the ones from gc1961, so it sure seems to do something
»

Hangin, check out the pics here.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T87-4KYY3WT-1&_user=10&_handle=C-WA-A-AV-AV-MsSAYVA-UUA-U-U-AV-U-U-AADAVWEVCC-AAZEUAUWCC-WACVWWWVV-AV-U&_fmt=full&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F2007&_rdoc=11&_orig=browse&_srch=%23toc%235079%232007%23999549998%23640409!&_cdi=5079&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3cf0b8d4e5e196ac4f1c6e5215d61bef

Fig. 1. A 23-year-old Japanese man who used 2% ketoconazole (KCZ) lotion during shampooing everyday. Six months later, hair regrowth was attained (b) in comparison with the pre-treatment condition (a). Suspension of use for 3 months, however, caused recurrent hair loss ©. Renewed use of KCZ induced renewed growth of vertex hair (d). A 25-year-old Japanese man with AGA (e) applied 2% KCZ lotion immediately after shampooing everyday. Ten months later, hair regrowth was apparent (f).

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Reversal of androgenetic alopecia by topical ketoconzole: Relevance of anti-androgenic activity

aDepartment of Regenerative Dermatology, Graduate School of Medicine, Osaka University, 2-2, G2, Yamadaoka, Suita-shi, Osaka 565-0871, Japan

Ketoconazole (KCZ), an imidazole anti-fungal agent, is known to be effective for the treatment of seborrheic dermatitis and dandruff. In addition, 2% KCZ shampoo was found to improve hair density and the size and proportion of anagen follicles in androgenetic alopecia (AGA) [1] and, in combination with finasteride, to have an additive effect for AGA [2]. Recently, it has been reported that topical application of KCZ stimulates hair growth in C3H/HeN mice [3]. However, whether topical KCZ is effective enough to improve the clinical appearance of AGA is not yet clear. We therefore carried out an open trial of topical 2% KCZ lotion (Nizoral®) in combination with shampoos. Furthermore, to identify the mechanism, which can explain the clinical effect of KCZ on AGA, we performed transient transfection assays using CV-1 cells transfected with androgen receptors (AR).

The six Japanese males from 23 to 51 years old were enrolled in this study with their written informed consent. They presented with grade II vertex to IVa AGA according to the Hamilton–Norwood classification [4]. The subjects applied topical 2% KCZ lotion (Nizoral®) almost every day during or immediately after hair washing with their own unmedicated shampoos. When they revisited our clinic every several months, clinical pictures were obtained to determine the efficacy of the treatment. Two of the men, one 23 years old with grade II vertex and the other 25 years old with Va AGA, showed remarkable hair regrowth after 6 and 10 months, respectively (Fig. 1). The 23-year-old male stopped using KCZ and 3 months later hair loss recurrence on the vertex was noted (Fig. 1c). When he started using KCZ again during shampooing, hairs on the vertex grew again after 3 months (Fig. 1d). These findings constitute evidence of the clinical efficacy of KCZ for AGA. A 41-year-old male showed a slight increase in vertex hair growth after 1 year. Other three of the men, 31, 38 and 51 years old did not show significant improvement. These findings suggest that topical KCZ with shampoo can be effective for some males with AGA.

To identify the mechanism, which can explain the effect of KCZ on AGA, we performed transient transfection assays using an androgen-responsive synthetic promoter for CV-1 cells transfected with AR. At 50–70% confluency in a 24-well plate, the CV-1 cells, maintained in Dulbecco’s modified Eagle’s medium (DMEM) supplemented with 10% fetal bovine serum, were transfected with the transfection reagent Fugene-6 (Roche Diagnostics Corp., Indianapolis, IN, USA) according to the manufacturer’s instructions. For luciferase assays, we transfected 0.1 μg of the reporter plasmid, pGL2-GRE3-bG-luc [5], 12.5 ng of pCI-neo-BamX-AR(Gly23) [5] and 0.2 μg of the pRL-CMV vector, the Renilla luciferase control reporter vector driven by the CMV immediate-early enhancer/promoter, as the internal controls. At 24 h after transfection, we added fresh DMEM supplemented with 10% charcoal-treated fetal bovine serum with methyltrienolone (R1881, a stable synthetic androgen) or ethanol as a mock vehicle. The cells were also treated with KCZ (Janssen, L.P., Titusville, NJ) or ethanol as a mock vehicle. At 48 h after transfection, the cells were harvested for luciferase assays. Luciferase activities were measured with a luminometer using the Dual-Luciferase™ reporter assay system (Promega, Madison, WI). The results were summarized from three independent sets of transfections and presented as mean ± S.D.; statistical significance was tested with Student’s t-test. The results demonstrated that 10 or 20 μg/ml KCZ reduced luciferase activity to 67.5% (p < 0.01) or 49.9% (p < 0.03), respectively, reflecting its suppressive action on AR (Fig. 2). This finding suggests that KCZ improves AGA through the suppression of AR activity.

Dermal papilla cells are the main targets for androgen in hair follicles, as evidenced by immunohistochemistry [6] and reporter assays [7] for the detection of AR. Deep penetration of KCZ into dermal papilla is therefore necessary to realize the suppressive action on androgen in vivo. The use of KCZ in combination with detergent containing shampoos in this study may enhance KCZ penetration. On the other hand, a recent study demonstrated that KCZ stimulates hair growth in mice [3], suggesting that its effect on hair is androgen independent. To summarize, KCZ may exert its effect on AGA in both an androgen-dependent and -independent manner.


#12

» » as far as Nizoral, I have never seen pics for regrowth in a bald area
» » posted like the ones from gc1961, so it sure seems to do something
» »
»
» Hangin, check out the pics here.
»
» http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...3cf0b8d4e5e196ac4f1c6e5215d61bef

that link does not work


#13

» that link does not work

Sorry, try it now.


#14

» » that link does not work
»
» Sorry, try it now.

yes it works great now thanks for that
its the first encouraging place I have seen pics of regrowth other than here , for that shampoo ingredient in the nizoral
just went out and bought 600ml yesterday , here in the phils its 6 bucks basically, not too bad
I would be thrilled to see some regrowth in my crown


#15

The pics look good, I m proud to say that I have been using Nizoral. I think this is great in controlling sebum and oily scalp too. Hanging, make sure you don’t use it every day, you are not supposed to.


#16

» The pics look good, I m proud to say that I have been using Nizoral. I
» think this is great in controlling sebum and oily scalp too. Hanging, make
» sure you don’t use it every day, you are not supposed to.

that gc1961 used it every day, and his regrowth is great

look at his original post with his pics, he says in there he uses it everyday

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry.php?id=4500&page=0&category=3&order=last_answer


#17

Well I guess it depends on whether there will be systemic absorption with daily use. Found this on NIH website which talks about Keto and liver damage, if taken orally


#18

Hangin:

I really like using Nizoral because it always makes my hair look thicker. The problem is that I was using it every day, or almost every day, and it actually led to some pretty severe scalp irritation. I do not use it anymore.

Jtelecom


#19

JTelecom…

Years ago, when I first heard about Nizoral, I got excited and used it every day. It caused some shedding and alot of irritation.

I now use it two days a week, generally Monday and Friday, and leave it in for only about 30 seconds. Im pretty happy with the results. Supposedly Ketoconazole is detectable at “therapuetic” concentrations in the dermis at 72 hours after application. So, I reason that every third day is as much as anyone would ever need to use it. I just use the one percent version from the grocery store.

When something new comes out, I always have a tendency to overdo it. I wished Id have read more on nizoral back when it came out (about 1999 or 2000 it seems, its been awhile), but I just skimmed the article on HLH (I rarely read forums back then, only checking time to time for a cloning “cure” as I’d heard about Dolly the Sheep back in 97, and figured it just be a small matter of time until “they” could clone hair, etc)

Its funny the shampoo-zoids that swear keto is so awful haven’t been interested in this thread and those keto cream pics. Those keto cream pics are at least as good as the finasteride pics.


#20

Years ago, I tried the prescription strength stuff and was VERY disappointed. I also have been using the 1% OTC stuff. I may go back to using once or twice a week as you say. I hesitated to mention in my last post that i also suffered shedding along with the irritation. I think that I was using way too much. Some scalps are more sensitive than others, I guess.

Jtelecom