HairStemcell Transplantation treatment by Dr Gho - Anyone?

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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HST treatment by Dr Gho - Anyone?

Is there anyone out there who as had HairStemcell Transplantation treatment by Dr Gho’s Clinic.I and many others out there would be very interested to hear off someone who as had HST.

His website states upto 80% regrowth in the donor area.

See Link
http://hsi.mxt.nl/en/welkom-bij-hair-science-institute-2.html

Please take a moment to read this…

Are you a man or woman concerned with hair loss, baldness or diminished hair growth? Would you like natural full hair growth in a particular area, whether that be on the head or face? Then is HairStemcell Transplantation the only guaranteed method.
This is not a sales pitch but is the simple truth. In comparison to other clinics, the Hair Science Institute does not just redistribute your hair. No, thanks to the specially designed techniques of HairStemcell Transplantation we insure that your own hair generates new hairs in the desired areas. Easy, quick, effective.
HairStemcell Transplantation, is not without reason a unique treatment method.
“Unique” is a word that unfortunately is used to often. That is not the case with HST. If you’re in doubt judge for yourself, go to a different clinic and see if they can make the same promises that the Hair Science Institute makes in black and white.
Unique:
HairStemcell Transplantation (HST) does not redistribute your existing hair. It ensures that your own hair generates new hairs in a desired area. Unique:
Other methods literally result in hair “loss” on the back of the head. They create a permanent scar where no hair will ever grow. HST guarantees that the hairs in the donor region will re-grow, without residual scar tissue!Unique:
HST is not an operation, it’s only a treatment. This is due to the exceptionally refined methods and the specialized miniature instruments . There are, therefore, no incisions, no scars, no stitches etc. Unique:
HST is painless. That includes not only the subtle pre- anaesthesia and treatment but also refers to the frequent, sometimes unremitting pain that results from other less advanced transplantation methods. Unique:
Extremely quick recovery of the treated areas. Due to the exceptionally refined treatment methods the wounds are smaller than pinpricks. Consequently the healing process is complete within a day. No pain and no scars, including both the donor and recipient area. Unique:
HST is the only treatment method suitable for facial hair. The reason: absolutely no scars and a completely natural result. Beautiful eyebrows, a handsome moustache, or a full beard. It’s possible. No problem. Unique:
Treatment of scar tissue! HST is the only suitable method to treat scar tissue. This includes scars caused by less advanced hair transplantation techniques such as the strip method as well as the treatment of scar tissue resulting from burns. The reason: HST leaves absolutely no scars and provides a completely natural result.Unique:
A completely natural result. No roughened skin texture, no unnatural bunches of hairs, or hairs that grow in the wrong direction. The direction of hair growth is natural and the distribution of hair is uniform.Unique:
Thanks to regrowth in the donor area multiple treatments are possible. Sometimes multiple treatments are necessary to achieve the desired result. Due to the regrowth of hair in the donor area and the fact that there are no residual scars, the donor area (following recovery) can be used again. Why can the Hair Science Institute make these promises while other clinics can’t and won’t?
The answer is simple: knowledge through research. While other clinics undoubtedly have access to very experienced surgeons, the Hair Science Institute is established in cooperation with MD/researcher Coen Gho, a recognized specialist in the area of hair growth and hair diseases.One of the transplantation techniques he developed - the Follicular Multiplication – is established as a restorative method to treat burn wounds. In the clinical facilities of Hair Science Institute, this method has been improved and is now refined to the advanced and patented technique that is now known as HairStemcell Transplantation.
The biggest difference is that Follicular Unit Extraction (FUE) as well as Follicular Multiplication (FM), can cause density loss and little scars. With HairStemcell Transplantation, there is less chance of density loss and no scars visible in the donor area. On this website the HST technique is explained in detail, including animations. If you have any questions concerning our unique treatment methods or over hair in general than we would be more than happy to answer

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I am pretty sure Hairsite was treated by Gho.

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» HST treatment by Dr Gho - Anyone?
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The single biggest limitation with this treatment is that it only moves about 600 grafts per session. Thus, it would be quite expensive and time consuming to move an appreciable amount of hair. Many people believe that Gho can’t place the grafts very close to each other, and that is why the patient pictures you see have such sparse hair. This was a factor with FM, but it is not a factor with the newer HST. The problem is that 600 grafts won’t cover much, so you typically end up having them spread out, which results in a sparse appearance.

Realistically, you would need at least 3 back-to-back HST treatments to get appreciable coverage (1800 grafts). That’s getting up near $15,000.00. And of course, if you are higher than a NW3, 1800 grafts isn’t going to do much. That means you probably have to let the donor area heal for 9 or 10 months before getting another 3 treatments. Now you are in for 30 grand plus the cost of two trips to Europe. And you still only have moved 3600 grafts. I’m keeping in mind that those 3600 grafts would not completely deplete a normal donor area. So you need to wait another 9 or 10 months and take another 1800 grafts. Now you are in it for 45K plus 3 trips to Europe. But it isn’t until your 4th session until having the grafts regrown in your donor start to really make a difference. So about 4 years and $80,000.00 later (including travel expenses), you might be happy that you chose HST over FUE, because then you can get more “3 session bursts” at around $20,000.00 per trip.

Thus, from a practical standpoint, HST is not for everybody. I think it might be the only HT I would get, but then again, I’m kind of an anti-HT guy, so others will no doubt fit the standard FUE profile better than I do.

Let’s put it this way, if ICX’ phase II turns out poorly, then Gho’s HST starts looking very good compared to FUE because it might be the only way to get decent density other than pubic hair and a crew cut. Otherwise, it might be wise to hold off of all HT-like procedures and wait out the ICX rollout. Or perhaps consider an FUE now and fill in increased density later when the ICX procedure is available. But really, unless you are rich, I think waiting to find out the phase II ICX results is a wise idea before proceding forward with surgical-based treatments. Otherwise, how will you know the best way to move forward?

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Can you interpret this for us, from Gho-speak?

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» Can you interpret this for us, from Gho-speak?

HST is different than standard HT in that that it guarantees that you will regrow a portion of your donor hair in the donor area as well as generate HT-like yields in the recipient area. FUE = 0 regrowth in donor. FM varies between 20 and 80%, with 80% being the extreme outlier. OTOH, according to Gho, HST typically yields around 80% regrowth of the donor.

While FUE can leave small scars where the follicles were extracted, HST will not leave scars. The minimal scarring is due to using a smaller needle than FUE, and of course no barbaric strip scalpel is used. The reason FUE requires a larger gauge needle is because in FUE, you MUST remove the entire width of the follicle as well as a fair amount of associated stromal tissue or the follicle will not generate properly in the recipient area. OTOH, in HST the goal is the split the follicular tissue longitudinally such that some is taken and some is left behind. The only way to ensure this happens on a consistent basis is to use a needle that is less than the width of the FU being extracted. The reason longitudinally split follicles consistently regenerate in HST but not in FUE is because of the proprietary growth medium that Gho soaks the transected grafts in prior to implanting. For more info on this, check out his latest patent where he soaks plucked hairs and gets them to regenerate follicles (because the stem cells present on the plucked follicles interact with the cells in the solution, thus the proper signals are present to cause neogenesis once implanted into the skin.

While Gho states that “Sometimes multiple treatments are necessary to achieve the desired result,” he should say “you will need a crap load of HST treatments to get the density most patients truly desire.”

But of course multiple treatments always being necessary is my opinion. And by the same token, I believe the “minimal 80% regrowth” could be a little hyped as well, as Gho doesn’t seem to have ever performed a proper statistical analysis. Personally, I would expect using accurate statistics one would find about 50% regrowth will occur on average. So IMO, HST is no cure, but a rich guy could use it over a period of the next 5 to 8 years to get a lot of hair back that could not be gotten back by other methods. My hope is that in 3 or 4 years, HST is a long forgotten memory and cited in the hair restoration history museum as being one of the first HM treatments commercially available. “While not extremely quick, affordable, or effective, it was a sign of things to come in the no so distant future.”

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I personally find even 50% regrowth hard to believe. Where 50% regrowth means you can reuse that area for another transplant and the hair looks indistinguishable from the hair that was previously there. I know in theory that it can work. But like you said, without proper statistical analysis, we don’t know (and really, it needs to be double-blind. People tend to see what they want to see).

The only way anybody would know if this really works is if somebody actually tried to get multiple transplants until they achieved a full head of hair. If we got just 100 people to pony up $20/month (less than 1/3 of most people’s cable bills and probably less than most spend on their own hair each month), that would more than pay for multiple sessions over the years. Surely there is somebody that would want a free transplant from Gho. And all they would have to do is take pictures every 3 months or so and show progress over the multiple sessions. Let’s see if we can really get a full head of hair with his procedure. Let’s see if Gho would be willing to back up his claims. David could handle the money.

I know some people won’t think this will work. I say, why not? I know $20/month isn’t even viable for a lot of people, but I know there are 100 balding guys that can afford it. I would do it. And the sooner we start, the sooner we know. Unless of course you don’t believe that Gho can do what he says. I personally don’t know, but I want to find out. And this is one way to find out. I’ve seen many men document their hair transplants over the years (not the pics from the HT mills, but real guys), and can tell whether it is working or not. Some get better results than others. The guy that is chosen won’t have any reason to fake pics like the HT mills.

It might take a few years to complete, but that’s why we need to start now. If it does work, then the procedure could be done by other doctors. And what if it does work, but it ends up costing $80,000? Guess what, I’m in. And I’ll bet a lot of guys here would be too, even if they didn’t have the cash. There are ways to get loans for cosmetic surgery. If somebody told me they could snap their fingers and give me my hair back for $80,000, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I don’t care if it’s HM or HST or whatever. I want all my hair back.

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JB, doesn’t it just sound like Gho is trying to “reinvent” HM (albeit substantively), to make up for the fact that he lost the rights to much of his original work to ABN-Amro?

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» JB, doesn’t it just sound like Gho is trying to “reinvent” HM (albeit
» substantively), to make up for the fact that he lost the rights to much of
» his original work to ABN-Amro?

Yes, but I also believe that he made substantial improvements to his earlier work. Clearly, as evidenced by his recent patent, Gho has the legal right to continue inventing in the field. So although he cannot use his previous techniques, if he makes significant improvements upon them, he is allowed to own the rights to them.

The main problem I have with all of this is that I want HM at the cellular level, so I view everything else as a band-aid or a pacifier. Since, Gho has not been able to perfect cellular HM, he appears to be screwing around with interim techniques in hopes that he will hit on something a little more substantial than HST. If ICX etc were not in the HM game, I would be very interested in Gho’s interim techniques. However, the only photos of this procedure ever released showed very sparsely placed grafts, and I think this is evidence of the technique’s weaknesses in the area of time consumption and expense. The procedure is certainly too time consuming and expensive for my blood.

Why would anyone in their right mind want 1,000 grafts placed when they could have 10,000? Well because it takes too much time and money to get the 10,000 grafts. Gho says that 3 procedures are enough, but I don’t feel 1800 grafts are what we are after as patients. Maybe we would feel satisfied with 1800 grafts per procedure, but 600 is quite limiting.

Of course cost is a factor, but it is really another matter entirely because many rich or middle-class men would pay a hundred grand for 10k high-quality grafts and a natural looking donor area. So the number 1 limitation of HST is that it takes an entire day to move 600 grafts. If I were to do the procedure, I would want to schedule them at 4 back-to-back sessions for trip. That is the only way I can see it being worth the time. After 10 months, another procedure would bring the total to about 5k grafts, which is not bad for 2 trips and would make a pretty good difference in one’s appearance.

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» I know some people won’t think this will work. I say, why not? I know
» $20/month isn’t even viable for a lot of people, but I know there are 100
» balding guys that can afford it. I would do it. And the sooner we start,
» the sooner we know. Unless of course you don’t believe that Gho can do
» what he says. I personally don’t know, but I want to find out. And this
» is one way to find out. I’ve seen many men document their hair
» transplants over the years (not the pics from the HT mills, but real
» guys), and can tell whether it is working or not. Some get better results
» than others. The guy that is chosen won’t have any reason to fake pics
» like the HT mills.
»
» It might take a few years to complete, but that’s why we need to start
» now. If it does work, then the procedure could be done by other doctors.
» And what if it does work, but it ends up costing $80,000? Guess what, I’m
» in. And I’ll bet a lot of guys here would be too, even if they didn’t
» have the cash. There are ways to get loans for cosmetic surgery. If
» somebody told me they could snap their fingers and give me my hair back
» for $80,000, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I don’t care if it’s HM or HST or
» whatever. I want all my hair back.

I think the person that goes needs to cover half of the expenses himself. The half that the group covers must be earned. It would not be free, and we would expect a high quality professional analysis in return for funding the other half of the expenses. Gho must agree to do a 4-day session on the patient so that about 2500 grafts are moved in a fashion that shows appreciable density to a previously fairly bald area. 10 months later, the patient needs to go back and get another 2500 grafts. This would represent about 10,000 hairs moved to the recipient area in total and we should see a remarkable improvement. Either way, we would have all the information we require to know whether HST is a viable procedure or not.

Perhaps we could get Gho to agree to 4 procedures for 15k U.S. The recipient would get $7500 from donations and have to cover the other $7500 and his travel expenses himself. But I think he should have to pay it all up front, and David should not release the donation portion to him until he has satisfied his obligations of adequately documenting the procedure. The information gained from the donor regrowth of the first trip would be used to see if another trip should be scheduled. IOW, within a month of ponying up the money, we would know the story about the donor regrowth. The only reason a second trip might be needed would be to prove that reharvesting is possible and that a donor area that yielded 5k grafts still had a thick appearance. But perhaps 1 trip would be enough, because if the regrowth were proven, guys would start heading over there in droves, and we would get all the data we needed for free from then on. Either that or the technique would be found to be a bust, and we wouldn’t need to see a second round.

But I note that although I rake on Gho’s price and yield, it is actually fairly in line with standard FUE. Thus, if donor regrowth is proven, HST is probably worth two or three times its actual price, and for rich guys, perhaps 10 times the price.

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If we could get somebody to pay half and Gho to give a discount, I’m all for it. I just thought paying all of it would more likely get somebody to volunteer. Also might want to get somebody that’s already close to save on travel expenses.

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I for one, am a little suprised Gho never tried to set up shop in America somewhere. The market here is much larger or so it seems. If he had trained three or four other docs, provided some donor regrowth proof, and had a few photos released…he might be suprised at how much business his clinic would have generated. If he could get even conistent 50% donor regrowth…thats alot more hair available to be put up front without gouging the donor area, or stripping it out of existence. Gho would have been freed up to pursue cellular-based HM like ICX is doing on his own also as the other docs could have been performing his patented procedure for him.

James Bond is entirely correct though about people knocking Gho. He was THE guy who got the ball rolling by suggesting the papilla could be made into two, and the buzz he created probably had a large part in getting others interesting in HM’s cosmetic possibilities.

I read an article the other day bemoaning the fact that so many young doctors are going into cosmetic surgery. They are following demand. I think most cosmetic surgery is a bad idea as Ive seen people rearrange their entire faces for the worse, but just putting hair up on a head that doesn’t have it is the most natural urge one can have. Practically every man on earth would want his hair BACK if he could have it without looking freakish. Its such a natural market.

JB’s remarks on the cost/benefit-ratio of getting Gho’s HST NOW are things Ive pondered mentally in my mind. I might have spent 10,000 bucks (that I’d miss, Im not rich) to fill my temples in IF I WAS ABSOLUTELY SURE of 80-percent donor regrowth. But Im not, and we are close to getting phase 2 results from ICX (hopefully by September).

Im one of those who has been waiting for a good trial result before moving forward and “doing something” up there. Jerry Cooley’s office (Ive emailed them before to see if Cooley did FUE) and told me to do something now because HM is ten years away from being actually SOLD over here. I dont think they considered I’d fly to Europe to get it there if thats what I had to do. I would imagine there will be a surge in transplants if ICX really does have good results. You’d be suprised how many men are probably waiting on cloning news before making a move “up there”.

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» I for one, am a little suprised Gho never tried to set up shop in America
» somewhere. The market here is much larger or so it seems. If he had
» trained three or four other docs, provided some donor regrowth proof, and
» had a few photos released…he might be suprised at how
» much business his clinic would have generated. If he could get even
» conistent 50% donor regrowth…thats alot more hair available
» to be put up front without gouging the donor area, or stripping it out of
» existence. Gho would have been freed up to pursue cellular-based HM like
» ICX is doing on his own also as the other docs could have been performing
» his patented procedure for him.
»
»
» James Bond is entirely correct though about people knocking Gho. He was
» THE guy who got the ball rolling by suggesting the papilla could be made
» into two, and the buzz he created probably had a large part in getting
» others interesting in HM’s cosmetic possibilities.
»
»
» I read an article the other day bemoaning the fact that so many young
» doctors are going into cosmetic surgery. They are following demand. I
» think most cosmetic surgery is a bad idea as Ive seen people rearrange
» their entire faces for the worse, but just putting hair up on a head that
» doesn’t have it is the most natural urge one can have. Practically every
» man on earth would want his hair BACK if he could have it without looking
» freakish. Its such a natural market.
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» JB’s remarks on the cost/benefit-ratio of getting Gho’s HST NOW are things
» Ive pondered mentally in my mind. I might have spent 10,000 bucks (that I’d
» miss, Im not rich) to fill my temples in IF I WAS ABSOLUTELY SURE of
» 80-percent donor regrowth. But Im not, and we are close to getting phase 2
» results from ICX (hopefully by September).
»
» Im one of those who has been waiting for a good trial result before moving
» forward and “doing something” up there. Jerry Cooley’s office (Ive emailed
» them before to see if Cooley did FUE) and told me to do something now
» because HM is ten years away from being actually SOLD over here. I dont
» think they considered I’d fly to Europe to get it there if thats what I
» had to do. I would imagine there will be a surge in transplants if ICX
» really does have good results. You’d be suprised how many men are probably
» waiting on cloning news before making a move “up there”.

I’ll donate money, too, if we can find someone who will undergo the treatment. Should we start a new thread for finding donations?

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Either that, or somebody could set up one of those online petitions, and everybody could just put their donation amount in the comments section.

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» If we could get somebody to pay half and Gho to give a discount, I’m all
» for it. I just thought paying all of it would more likely get somebody to
» volunteer. Also might want to get somebody that’s already close to save on
» travel expenses.

Maybe we could fund (or help fund) 1 session for someone close like Smiles. Then we wouldn’t incure heavy travel expenses or the expense of multiple procedures. This would keep the cost of donations realistic.

This will also require a couple of 4 dot tattoos with temporary ink (it’s readily available) and high resolution photos of the shaved donor area just prior to harvest. Of course a series of after photos will also have to be taken. Then we can all do the hair counts on our own PC’s and compare results.

Thinking about this a little more, I think the best way forward is a single 600 graft procedure so that all of the hair moved in both the recipient and donor can be accounted for. I would like to see the grafts placed pretty close though just to ensure it is possible.

I’ll start with a donation pledge of $100.00 U.S. We should probably also come up with a good name for this project. Perhaps something along the lines of the Methuselah Mouse Prize but targeted at hair research. If donor regrowth is proven, Gho will be awarded some type of special certificate from our organization commending him on his breakthrough. (and maybe a prize of some sort)

Also, perhaps we will just pay Gho directly at the time of the procedure so the person who goes doesn’t have to put up the money directly. But this means whoever goes has to be known enough here to trust to go through the steps we need to document the donor regrowth. Otherwise, it is all in vain.

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» Im one of those who has been waiting for a good trial result before moving
» forward and “doing something” up there. Jerry Cooley’s office (Ive emailed
» them before to see if Cooley did FUE) and told me to do something now
» because HM is ten years away from being actually SOLD over here. I dont
» think they considered I’d fly to Europe to get it there if thats what I
» had to do. I would imagine there will be a surge in transplants if ICX
» really does have good results. You’d be suprised how many men are probably
» waiting on cloning news before making a move “up there”.

1 could make the argument that HTP docs would exaggerate/lengthen the release date for HM because if people knew it was coming out in 1-2 years they would not have surgery & the HTP docs would lose big dollars in revenue.
Not all HTP Docs will offer HM in their clinics.ICX seems to be very picky when it comes to who will administer their products.I for one hope that hm makes surgery a bad memory.

As for Gho,why would anyone make such a statement & then conceal such a profound discovery? Hmmmmmmm

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» As for Gho,why would anyone make such a statement & then conceal such a
» profound discovery? Hmmmmmmm

That’s a good question. Unfortunately, most people immediately jump to the conclusion that it is because HST does not work at all. But the fact is that an independent study showed that leaving a portion of the follicle in the skin resulted in about 80% regrowth of the donor follicles, and the resulting hairs looked the same as before. Astoundingly, this matches very closely with what Gho had stated years earlier about his techniques.

Interestingly, the independent study found that the donor regrowth was the easy part; the difficult part to figure out is how to get the transected follicles to grow in the recipient area. And this is where HT surgeons cannot reproduce Gho’s work. In fact, they are not even qualified to comment it on it because they have no skills in the required areas of research. So what we are left with is one guy over in Holland who is making amazing claims. What is more fantastic is that many of the claims he has made in the past sounded like science-fiction or just flat out grossly exeggerated lies, but years later, research has proven those wild sounding claims to be an accurate foretelling of the future. This is not just some whacked out quack in some far-off country; this is a guy who has published ground-breaking research in the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journal in the world, and the research has been done in collaboration with some of the most respected scientists in their fields. What’s more, the published research has stood the test of time as far as accuracy and has remained free of scandal or critique.

So this brings us back to your question–why does Gho seem to hide this technique? Is he reclusive and prone toward introverting into the lab? Has he grown tired of the negative attention, publicity, and slander that many such technology pioneers have faced throughout the history of invention? Or is it that the technology isn’t that great and has certain undisclosed problems other than the donor regrowth (consistency perhaps?). Or is he just very paranoid about others learning his trade secrets and stealing his original ideas? Maybe it is a little of all of the above along with some other factors, or maybe it is for some other completely unthought of reason or combination of reasons. At this point, we can only guess. Assumption is dangerous, because of our ignorance of the technology and the man. This is provable by the incorrect majority consensus that donor regrowth is impossible.

So the point is to stop assuming, stop creating uniformed propaganda and scandal, and stop guessing as is so often the case. The point is to become organized and go find out the truth. It is easy to assume that one knows the truth, but when the scientific method is applied to one’s assumptions, those assumptions often break down. So I and at least a few others would like to become organized and find out the truth using the scientific method in conjunction with an accurate statistical analysis.

People believe I hype Gho’s technique. The truth is that I’m scientifically interested in it. It appears to be hands-down the most advanced hair restoration procedure on the planet and the only treatment in its class. But I like others wonder why the treatment is hidden away, and why Gho won’t bring it to America, where if it works as claimed, would bring wealth and notoriety beyond most people’s wildest dreams. So maybe Gho is not disclosing the Achilles’s heal of his treatment. But what is that? I for one am interested in learning the truth. And if I can learn the truth for a measley $100.00, I believe that is a cheap price for admission. If 50 people around the world feel the same way and come together on this quest, then it is as good as done.

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Ask yourself this,why aren’t his patients filling the hair loss forums with their personal success stories? I know if I went to him & he give me my life back no one in the world would be able to stop me from praising & recommending him.
No one can question his ability to think outside the box but until HE proves that his theories work then he cannot be taken seriously.

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» Ask yourself this,why aren’t his patients filling the hair loss forums with
» their personal success stories? I know if I went to him & he give me my
» life back no one in the world would be able to stop me from praising &
» recommending him.
» No one can question his ability to think outside the box but until HE
» proves that his theories work then he cannot be taken seriously.

If you read my previous post, then you understand why you cannot possibly know the answer to the question you have asked. Why is it important for you to ask questions that you haven’t got the faintest clue as to what the answer is when, with a small amount of effort, you could learn the truth.

We could speculate all day and pretend that we know all the answers, but once again, we do not have not collected the data it takes to make an informed opinion on this matter. Perhaps the reason why Gho’s patients are not excited by this technique is because moving 600 grafts from the back of the head to the front isn’t exactly something to write home about. Of course, I did read one account of a patient of Gho’s earlier FM technique who had experienced 80% donor regrowth and was tickled pink because prior HT’s had exhausted his donor area. According to him, he had found a way that he could continue to get procedures. What happened, is a bunch of idiots immediately attacked him and called him a liar etc., despite his posting photos that proved he had the technique performed.

You see, anybody that comes out in support of Gho is immediately slanderd by the anti-HM squad so prevelant on hairloss forums. And that is yet another possible answer to the question you have posed that is, at the moment, completely impossible to answer. I am a man of science. In science, assumptions are dangerous.

The biggest question I have is, why is it so important for so many people to slander Gho’s technique? I would think that every bald man in the world would be as interested in learning the truth about it as I am.

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Why is it so important for you to hype Gho’s work ?
You must have some personal or financial gain.
There are several cheerleaders on the surgery forum & they have all been exposed as employees or patients of the doctor they praise.

There is no group of people here wanting to bash HM.There are only desperate people here who want proof of HM.

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» There is no group of people here wanting to bash HM.There are only desperate people here who want proof of HM.

You make a lot of insinuations that you cannot prove. So your insinuation that I work for Gho doesn’t surprise me.

If your group really wants to learn the truth, then what could you possibly have against our sending a representative over to Holland to learn the truth of Gho’s technique? Also, I have to wonder how you could possibly connect that with my being employed by Gho? Is it because I took the time and effort to learn the basics of HM science before I posted my thoughts and feelings about it on this newsgroup? The reason I did that is because I don’t like propaganda or those that use it in place of logic and science.

The reason I am more prone to validate Gho’s words than you own is simply because his words make logical and scientific sense to me, whereas your logic and the assumptions you derive from it appears to me to be disconnected.

This forum is funny, because everytime I post “don’t get a procedure from Gho until we learn the truth,” I am never attacked. But as soon as I post “let’s go learn the truth so that we can move on and make better decisions with our lives,” all hell breaks loose! Now I could claim that you work for the HT industry due to your obvious bias against HM, but I do not believe for a second that you do work for the HT industry. But I strongly suspect that you are the type of person who is not comfortable unless you have a God and a Devil and nothing inbetween those extremes. So when I suggest that Gho might be an honorable man, you are threatened by the fact that there really is no Devil in your world, so your entire belief system immediately begins to crumble. Thus, you freak out and attempt to sabatoge others’ efforts to learn the truth. And that really is the downside of allowing oneself to become lulled into the simplicity of a black-and-white world. At first it seems to be a place that will bring much comfort and well-being, but as it turns out, it creates much tension, distress, and unrest and becomes a trap that is difficult to escape.