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Guys, do you like my challenge to dr. Hitzig? The "HM-Challenge"!


#1

This is a challenge for Dr. Hitzig and Dr. Cooley.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-74768-page-0-category-1-order-time.html

Thanks for your answers Dr. Hitzig.

Regarding full restaurations,

You say that autocloning is extremely tedious at this time. Could you please specify? How much time do you need to pluck a single hair and plant it in the recipient site? Is it very difficult to pluck a hair? Cooley says he did 1500 hairs on a female patient (I don’t know if they were 500 plucked hairs that multiplied to 1500).

Okay, lets suppose it would be very slow to perform a full restauration now (besides, a very bald person doesn’t have enough donor to do a full restauration in a single pass).

Then I propose you a “progressive full restauration”.
I am going to call it “The HM Challenge”.

Get a very bald person, who only has around 10.000 hairs at the back of the head. Take photos before any procedure.

First stage: you pluck all the 10.000 hairs, and plant them in a location of choice.

First Wait: wait 6/12 months to allow for recipient follicles to grow, and harvested sites to regenerate. Now this person has 20.000 hairs, or even more (you told Kobren that if you plant just 1 plucked hair, 3 hairs can grow!!).

First photos: At 6/12 months, you can already take photos of this patient and present them as very clear proof of the potential of your technique. These photos will no doubt make history.

also, these 12 months waiting has allowed you and Cooley to improve the autocloning technique. and you will apply these improvements at the second stage to speed up the process.

Second stage: pluck again the original 10.000 hairs and even the new 20.000 hairs. This way you could double again the number of hairs, or at least, increase them by 50%.

Second wait: as before

Second photos: as before

Third stage, etc…: until full restauration is reached.

Of course, you can stop the iterative process anytime (note that each phase is more labour intensive because it involves more and more hair) when enough proof has been compiled and everyone is satisfied or when the patient gets tired.

Supervisor:
I propose Dr. Jones as supervisor of the whole process to make it even more credible (we at Hairsite believe that Dr. Jones is very honest after he made two experiments and admitted failure in both). If you, Dr. Hitzig, and Dr. Cooley prefer to keep your technique secret (the “know how” ) , its okay, then Dr. Jones would simply check the patient before and after each phase.

Alternatively, an sceptic like Dr. Rassman would be a good “supervisor”.
Or several doctors.

How about it, Dr. Hitzig, do you like the idea?


#2

of this time I have that to agree to iron-man, you are a pscicopata, or completely crazy.:frowning:


#3

SD, I suggest that you be the test patient and simply report to the forum whether you have growth or no growth, you are a nutcase but I trust you.


#4

» of this time I have that to agree to iron-man, you are a pscicopata, or
» completely crazy.:frowning:

why?


#5

» SD, I suggest that you be the test patient and simply report to the forum
» whether you have growth or no growth, you are a nutcase but I trust you.

so, you didn’t like the idea?


#6

» » SD, I suggest that you be the test patient and simply report to the
» forum
» » whether you have growth or no growth, you are a nutcase but I trust
» you.
»
» so, you didn’t like the idea?

I read your posts all the time, some crazy stuff you said but still you are more passionate about this than anyone I know, it’s much better having you as the test patient rather than asking Dr Jones or Dr Rassman to be the judge because after all they are all hair transplant doctors, they can never be as objective as guys like you and I who are losing our hair and desperate for a good solution, understand ?


#7

» » » SD, I suggest that you be the test patient and simply report to the
» » forum
» » » whether you have growth or no growth, you are a nutcase but I trust
» » you.
» »
» » so, you didn’t like the idea?
»
»
» I read your posts all the time, some crazy stuff you said but still you
» are more passionate about this than anyone I know, it’s much better having
» you as the test patient rather than asking Dr Jones or Dr Rassman to be the
» judge because after all they are all hair transplant doctors, they can
» never be as objective as guys like you and I who are losing our hair and
» desperate for a good solution, understand ?

I want to be clear, I don’t want to be a trialist.
Do you think my proposal is crazy or risky for the trialist?
I have designed it this way because moving 10.000 plucked hairs in Stage 1, seems feasible right now, considering that Cooley has already done 1500 on a woman. for this patient, moving 10.000 hairs would be a huge improvement and this would be a great photographic illustration of the technique.
Also, between 2 stages, there is 1 year of waiting, and in this time, the autoclone technique is improved and these improvements can be applied. So you are not restoring a full head of hair using the primitive technique.

There is a danger that I see: that so much plucking could produce some shock loss in the donor area. So some prior tests would be necessary. First thing to reasearch is if scalp-waxing has ever been done before.


#8

Congratulations Christopher Columbus; you’ve discovered America.
I think Dr. Hitzig’s already aware of the proper protocols without the aid of your sage wisdom.

SPANISH DUD
This is a challenge for Dr. Hitzig and Dr. Cooley.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-74768-page-0-category-1-order-time.html

Thanks for your answers Dr. Hitzig.

Regarding full restaurations,

You say that autocloning is extremely tedious at this time. Could you please specify? How much time do you need to pluck a single hair and plant it in the recipient site? Is it very difficult to pluck a hair? Cooley says he did 1500 hairs on a female patient (I don’t know if they were 500 plucked hairs that multiplied to 1500).

Okay, lets suppose it would be very slow to perform a full restauration now (besides, a very bald person doesn’t have enough donor to do a full restauration in a single pass).

Then I propose you a “progressive full restauration”.
I am going to call it “The HM Challenge”.

Get a very bald person, who only has around 10.000 hairs at the back of the head. Take photos before any procedure.

First stage: you pluck all the 10.000 hairs, and plant them in a location of choice.

First Wait: wait 6/12 months to allow for recipient follicles to grow, and harvested sites to regenerate. Now this person has 20.000 hairs, or even more (you told Kobren that if you plant just 1 plucked hair, 3 hairs can grow!!).

First photos: At 6/12 months, you can already take photos of this patient and present them as very clear proof of the potential of your technique. These photos will no doubt make history.

also, these 12 months waiting has allowed you and Cooley to improve the autocloning technique. and you will apply these improvements at the second stage to speed up the process.

Second stage: pluck again the original 10.000 hairs and even the new 20.000 hairs. This way you could double again the number of hairs, or at least, increase them by 50%.

Second wait: as before

Second photos: as before

Third stage, etc…: until full restauration is reached.

Of course, you can stop the iterative process anytime (note that each phase is more labour intensive because it involves more and more hair) when enough proof has been compiled and everyone is satisfied or when the patient gets tired.

Supervisor:
I propose Dr. Jones as supervisor of the whole process to make it even more credible (we at Hairsite believe that Dr. Jones is very honest after he made two experiments and admitted failure in both). If you, Dr. Hitzig, and Dr. Cooley prefer to keep your technique secret (the “know how” ) , its okay, then Dr. Jones would simply check the patient before and after each phase.

Alternatively, an sceptic like Dr. Rassman would be a good “supervisor”.
Or several doctors.

How about it, Dr. Hitzig, do you like the idea?


#9

» There is a danger that I see: that so much plucking could produce some
» shock loss in the donor area. So some prior tests would be necessary.
» First thing to reasearch is if scalp-waxing has ever been done
» before.

okay, scalp waxing has been done before, and it seems it is safe, and even funny :slight_smile:

so I assume there is no big risk in plucking all the donor hairs in a large donor area.


#10

thats pure envy at my great proposal!! :smiley:

» Congratulations Christopher Columbus; you’ve discovered America.
» I think Dr. Hitzig’s already aware of the proper protocols without the aid
» of your sage wisdom.
»
»
»
» SPANISH DUD
» This is a challenge for Dr. Hitzig and Dr. Cooley.
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-74768-page-0-category-1-order-time.html
»
» Thanks for your answers Dr. Hitzig.
»
» Regarding full restaurations,
»
» You say that autocloning is extremely tedious at this time. Could you
» please specify? How much time do you need to pluck a single hair and plant
» it in the recipient site? Is it very difficult to pluck a hair? Cooley says
» he did 1500 hairs on a female patient (I don’t know if they were 500
» plucked hairs that multiplied to 1500).
»
» Okay, lets suppose it would be very slow to perform a full restauration
» now (besides, a very bald person doesn’t have enough donor to do a full
» restauration in a single pass).
»
» Then I propose you a “progressive full restauration”.
» I am going to call it “The HM Challenge”.
»
» Get a very bald person, who only has around 10.000 hairs at the back of
» the head. Take photos before any procedure.
»
» First stage: you pluck all the 10.000 hairs, and plant them in a location
» of choice.
»
» First Wait: wait 6/12 months to allow for recipient follicles to grow, and
» harvested sites to regenerate. Now this person has 20.000 hairs, or even
» more (you told Kobren that if you plant just 1 plucked hair, 3 hairs can
» grow!!).
»
» First photos: At 6/12 months, you can already take photos of this patient
» and present them as very clear proof of the potential of your technique.
» These photos will no doubt make history.
»
» also, these 12 months waiting has allowed you and Cooley to improve the
» autocloning technique. and you will apply these improvements at the second
» stage to speed up the process.
»
»
»
»
» Second stage: pluck again the original 10.000 hairs and even the new
» 20.000 hairs. This way you could double again the number of hairs, or at
» least, increase them by 50%.
»
» Second wait: as before
»
» Second photos: as before
»
»
»
» Third stage, etc…: until full restauration is reached.
»
»
» Of course, you can stop the iterative process anytime (note that each
» phase is more labour intensive because it involves more and more hair) when
» enough proof has been compiled and everyone is satisfied or when the
» patient gets tired.
»
» Supervisor:
» I propose Dr. Jones as supervisor of the whole process to make it even
» more credible (we at Hairsite believe that Dr. Jones is very honest after
» he made two experiments and admitted failure in both). If you, Dr. Hitzig,
» and Dr. Cooley prefer to keep your technique secret (the “know how” ) , its
» okay, then Dr. Jones would simply check the patient before and after each
» phase.
»
» Alternatively, an sceptic like Dr. Rassman would be a good “supervisor”.
» Or several doctors.
»
» How about it, Dr. Hitzig, do you like the idea?


#11

here it is a better video of scalp waxing (full scalp). A must see.

http://www.filecrush.com/files/Head_Wax.html

» » There is a danger that I see: that so much plucking could produce some
» » shock loss in the donor area. So some prior tests would be necessary.
» » First thing to reasearch is if scalp-waxing has ever been done
» » before.

»
» okay, scalp waxing has been done before, and it seems it is safe, and even
» funny :slight_smile:
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBJg0YXFwA&feature=related
»
» so I assume there is no big risk in plucking all the donor hairs in a
» large donor area.


#12

Great proposal??? indicating DR. Jones as supervisor? or DR. Rassman as alternative supervisor? LOL.:smiley:


#13

And let’s throw in the leaders of the G8 nations, the Pope, and Albert Einstein’s brain for good measure.

» Great proposal??? indicating DR. Jones as supervisor? or DR. Rassman
» as alternative supervisor? LOL.:smiley:


#14

I can tell you guys what SD is planning to do.

He knows that this can work miracles but he has no money and is poor as hell, so he wants to get a full treatment for free.

Thats all he is into, and thats a lousy and cheap thing.

SD if you had listened to the interview you should have known that this treatment works individually for men.

Its not a challenge, its the weakest form to get a for free treatment EVER.

But i can guarantee you you wont get anything for free


#15

» I can tell you guys what SD is planning to do.
»
» He knows that this can work miracles but he has no money and is poor as
» hell, so he wants to get a full treatment for free.
»
» Thats all he is into, and thats a lousy and cheap thing.
»
» SD if you had listened to the interview you should have known that this
» treatment works individually for men.
»
» Its not a challenge, its the weakest form to get a for free treatment
» EVER.
»
» But i can guarantee you you wont get anything for free

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-74777-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

SpanishDude clearly stated that he does NOT want this procedure to be performed on himself!

You apparently are either too thick to understand what he has CLEARLY presented in the pasted link OR you are deliberately spreading false accusations… knowing the nature of your character i presume it is the latter…


#16

» SpanishDude clearly stated that he does NOT want this procedure to
» be performed on himself!
»
» You apparently are either too thick to understand what he has CLEARLY
» presented in the pasted link OR you are deliberately spreading false
» accusations… knowing the nature of your character i presume it is the
» latter…

Leeroy’s and Iron_Man’s provocations are so cheap and pointless… I have said that I don’t want to be the trialist. Plus I am not sufficiently bald for the experiment.

This forum is very sad. Noone is telling me if my experiment has something wrong. Just childish attacks.

I think this experiment I propose, would help clearing things up.
Otherwise, if Hitzig and Cooley stick to the “small-session” scheme, I envisage a long period of speculations and uncertainties, “Gho-style”. And I personally don’t want that.

I think Cooley and Hitzig would be the first beneficiaries of this experiment.


#17

» There is a danger that I see: that so much plucking could produce some
» shock loss in the donor area. So some prior tests would be necessary.
» First thing to reasearch is if scalp-waxing has ever been done
» before.

That’s my old idea.

But I just realized there might be a way to easily find out if repeated plucking of hair over many years results in permanent hairloss.

Check those people who have Trichotillomania or hair-pulling disorder.

According to Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichotillomania ) , such people can suffer permanent loss of hair.

Which helps support my hypothesis that a follicle can only regrow hair a fixed number of times.

Or it might be that repeated pulling out of hair eventually does permanent injury to follicles.

Either way, it would seem wise for physicians to pull most of the hairs from a different small donor region for each pull-and-plant session, to avoid pulling hair from the same follicles more than once.


#18

SD,

we obviously all think your “experiment” is ridiculous… you are in no position to be suggesting supervisors or lecturing Dr. Hitzig on how he is to proceed so that “we believe him”… he is not here to prove anything to “us”… he is attempting to prove his findings to the scientific community… and is following the standard scientific procedure for this… you to be suggesting Dr. Jones and giving other silly “advice” is extremely pretentious…

» Leeroy’s and Iron_Man’s provocations are so cheap and pointless… I have
» said that I don’t want to be the trialist. Plus I am not sufficiently bald
» for the experiment.
»
» This forum is very sad. Noone is telling me if my experiment has something
» wrong. Just childish attacks.
»
» I think this experiment I propose, would help clearing things up.
» Otherwise, if Hitzig and Cooley stick to the “small-session” scheme, I
» envisage a long period of speculations and uncertainties, “Gho-style”. And
» I personally don’t want that.
»
» I think Cooley and Hitzig would be the first beneficiaries of this
» experiment.


#19

When we suggested experiments to Dr. Gho to prove that his technique worked:

-do you also think that this was extremely “pretentious” and “ridiculous”?
-and we were not in a position to suggest him things, or give him “silly advices”?

When Willy emailed a list of doctors a “suggestion” to use Acell, do you also think that Willy was extremely pretentious, giving “silly advices”?
do you think doctors are gods? And they know it all? Well, for example Dr. Hitzig was autocloning only beard hairs with Acell, because before using Acell, scalp hairs couldn’t be autocloned . Then Cooley gave him a silly advice: “why don’t you try scalp hairs again”. and it worked. It was a silly advice, but it worked.

You say that Hitzig/Cooley are not here to prove anything to us, but they are trying to prove it to the scientific comunity. Well, its all the same. If they are trying to “prove” it, my experiment will serve as proof for everyone.

Sorry hairman, but you are quite contradictory.

» SD,
»
» we obviously all think your “experiment” is ridiculous… you are in no
» position to be suggesting supervisors or lecturing Dr. Hitzig on how he is
» to proceed so that “we believe him”… he is not here to prove anything to
» “us”… he is attempting to prove his findings to the scientific
» community… and is following the standard scientific procedure for this…
» you to be suggesting Dr. Jones and giving other silly “advice” is extremely
» pretentious…
»
»
»
» » Leeroy’s and Iron_Man’s provocations are so cheap and pointless… I
» have
» » said that I don’t want to be the trialist. Plus I am not sufficiently
» bald
» » for the experiment.
» »
» » This forum is very sad. Noone is telling me if my experiment has
» something
» » wrong. Just childish attacks.
» »
» » I think this experiment I propose, would help clearing things up.
» » Otherwise, if Hitzig and Cooley stick to the “small-session” scheme, I
» » envisage a long period of speculations and uncertainties, “Gho-style”.
» And
» » I personally don’t want that.
» »
» » I think Cooley and Hitzig would be the first beneficiaries of this
» » experiment.


#20

» of this time I have that to agree to iron-man, you are a pscicopata, or
» completely crazy.:frowning:

Great argument. You surely have a brilliant mind.

I don’t understand the mindless attack by some of the posters. It seems that somehow mad dogs learned to type.