Fue - fit- cit

» CIT,
»
» You always show the same few pictures of donor areas to try justify to the
» public why your large punches should be used. And out of your claims of 2
» million grafts extracted (an effective McDonalds Corporation slogan by the
» way), you only have these very few pictures to show every time. So answer
» these two questions. One based on Marco’s previous post and the other on
» your last post.
»
» 1. Marco said," We have seen several results of Coles that showed marked
» white dots." Given this fact how can you deny that your 1.1mm, 1.2mm,
» 1.3mm:
» A. Increases the scarring potential exponentially.
» B. Can, does, and will continue to produce a “white dotting” effect in a
» greater percentage of patients than you led on.
»
» 2. In your last post you said that there were two punch sizes used in that
» particular patient. What were the sizes? a 1.1mm, 1.2mm, or 1.3mm?
»
» Thank you.
»
» Bigmac

Hi Bigmac,

First of all, I never even disclosed the type of instruments used at this clinic nor have a even stated whether or not our instruments are large. Your avenue to assume such unsubstantiated information is petty and has become a wasteful topic. I see a hidden agenda. Please understand that Marco has never seen our instrumentation, but chants on about the consistent quality results from our clinic. I bet that Marco himself would agree that we are a top clinic. You would be very surprised if you only knew what size instrumentation was used in this donor area. FYI

Just rememeber, as you keep making claims about having knowledge of our instrumentation, we will continue “serving Millions” of quality intact grafts.:yes:

» » In the punch comparison study link that posted earlier, your clinic
» states
» » that the larger punches heal better than the smaller punches. This
» seems
» » like a really interesting surprise, and you claim it’s backed up by
» your
» » data? Has this “study” been peer-reviewed and published following the
» » typical protocol for a medical study?
» »
» » Here’s the quote:
» »
» » “In this study we compared our 0.75 mm punch with a punch significantly
» » larger. The results of this study showed there was no statistically
» » different appearance in the donor area. In fact the larger punch healed
» » better, but the difference was not statistically significant.”
» »
» » Edit: Added quote.
»
» Hi Daveone and other forum viewers,
»
» I have actual evidence supporting the fact that there were little
» differences in sizes of our older larger and smaller instruments. One area
» of the donor was harvested while another area was harvested by a larger
» instrument. Before our new devices were in operation, we studied a
» patient’s donor to see the difference in actual donor healing after 9+
» months.
»
» The following patinent had two different size instruments used in the
» donor area to show what differences would be noticeable to the naked eye.
» As you can see in the photos, no viewer was able to determine any
» significant difference.
»
» This Norwood 6 patient came to our clinic in the summer of 2007 and
» received an in-person consultation. The donor density of this patient
» measured below average at 150 hairs per square centimeter with 180 being
» about the average. Dr. Cole’s treatment plan was to transfer 1200 - 1300
» CIT grafts from this patient’s donor area to form the frontal scalp and
» hair line. The patient recently came by the office for us to recheck his
» hair densities on the front and crown after 8 months. The donor hair is
» very plentiful as you can see that the patient wears a very short hair
» style.
»
» Carefully analyze the overall appearance of the donor area when observing
» these photos, particularly in the mastoid photos located at the bottom. Do
» you notice any difference in the photos from the left side and right side?
» You are the judge and the jury. Please give an effort and choose one of the
» following answers listed below:
»
» A. There is no difference between photos A and B. No surgery was
» performed.
»
» B. The donor was harvested with a variety of instruments.
»
» C. The donor density is lower in photos C & D only
»
» D. The area was only tested with 50 CIT grafts to determine the patient’s
» healing ability and reveals that the patient heals extremely well.
»
» E. The hair lays naturally sparse in all photos and overall density is the
» same.
»
»


»

I didn’t ask if you had a photo. Photos of one patient out of hundreds if not thousands of surgeries doesn’t constitute a “study.” I asked if you had a peer-reviewed study that backed up your statement about statistically significant data. You opened the door by mentioning statistics, but instead you showed one picture.

» » » In the punch comparison study link that posted earlier, your clinic
» » states
» » » that the larger punches heal better than the smaller punches. This
» » seems
» » » like a really interesting surprise, and you claim it’s backed up by
» » your
» » » data? Has this “study” been peer-reviewed and published following the
» » » typical protocol for a medical study?
» » »
» » » Here’s the quote:
» » »
» » » “In this study we compared our 0.75 mm punch with a punch
» significantly
» » » larger. The results of this study showed there was no statistically
» » » different appearance in the donor area. In fact the larger punch
» healed
» » » better, but the difference was not statistically significant.”
» » »
» » » Edit: Added quote.
» »
» » Hi Daveone and other forum viewers,
» »
» » I have actual evidence supporting the fact that there were little
» » differences in sizes of our older larger and smaller instruments. One
» area
» » of the donor was harvested while another area was harvested by a larger
» » instrument. Before our new devices were in operation, we studied a
» » patient’s donor to see the difference in actual donor healing after 9+
» » months.
» »
» » The following patinent had two different size instruments used in the
» » donor area to show what differences would be noticeable to the naked
» eye.
» » As you can see in the photos, no viewer was able to determine any
» » significant difference.
» »
» » This Norwood 6 patient came to our clinic in the summer of 2007 and
» » received an in-person consultation. The donor density of this patient
» » measured below average at 150 hairs per square centimeter with 180
» being
» » about the average. Dr. Cole’s treatment plan was to transfer 1200 -
» 1300
» » CIT grafts from this patient’s donor area to form the frontal scalp and
» » hair line. The patient recently came by the office for us to recheck
» his
» » hair densities on the front and crown after 8 months. The donor hair is
» » very plentiful as you can see that the patient wears a very short hair
» » style.
» »
» » Carefully analyze the overall appearance of the donor area when
» observing
» » these photos, particularly in the mastoid photos located at the bottom.
» Do
» » you notice any difference in the photos from the left side and right
» side?
» » You are the judge and the jury. Please give an effort and choose one of
» the
» » following answers listed below:
» »
» » A. There is no difference between photos A and B. No surgery was
» » performed.
» »
» » B. The donor was harvested with a variety of instruments.
» »
» » C. The donor density is lower in photos C & D only
» »
» » D. The area was only tested with 50 CIT grafts to determine the
» patient’s
» » healing ability and reveals that the patient heals extremely well.
» »
» » E. The hair lays naturally sparse in all photos and overall density is
» the
» » same.
» »
» »


» »

»
» I didn’t ask if you had a photo. Photos of one patient out of hundreds if
» not thousands of surgeries doesn’t constitute a “study.” I asked if you had
» a peer-reviewed study that backed up your statement about statistically
» significant data. You opened the door by mentioning statistics, but instead
» you showed one picture.

I am well aware that you didn’t ask for a photo. Believe it or not, this patient as well as all of our patients could qualify as “study” patients by your definition. We have actual written documentation that has been view by a peer.

I’m not questioning ethics but it’s a good thing to “study”,yes?

CIT,

I have more difficult questions that should be addressed . I am wondering if you will answer any question I ask. Here goes.
What happened to your BHT cases. There were several 10,000 graft BHT cases you claimed to have done. No results though. Additionally, Dr Woods correctly noted that the poster DJ never posted his repair results that were touted over and over. Also, what happen to the guy who created the BHT blog about his failed 10,000 graft BHT/CIT work at your clinic?

  1. These are just some of the McGrafts we never hear about anymore.

  2. These are the grafts and patients that I am concerned about.

  3. I also have major concerns about you filtering information to the public.

  4. At the very least, I expect honesty from a physician.

By the way, intact grafts via large punches are a small portion of the surgical equation. You might have an intact graft with your 1.1mm, your 1.2mm and your 1.3 CIT punches, but if you have massive turnover with your surgical staff (that you just stated yourself clearly in an ongoing thread on this site and you have stated in years past.), for example, you will find there is a high chance that the grafts will be traumatized during placement. So the McGrafts do not necessarily create a consistent McResult as you well know. Why
The consistent results from reputable clinics all have surgical staff that has been with the same hair transplant physician for more than a couple of years. In fact , it is not common that surgical staff has tenured at least 8 years or more.

I want to clearly state that there is no agenda here on my part. But trying to turn the tables on a hair loss patient and MPB sufferers seems to be the norm for you and your clinic. This seems consistent with your totally contemptuous attitude toward patients and readers. I gain nothing as a patient advocate. You, on the other hand, gain millions from your questionable surgeries and business practices. 2 million McGrafts served can create a McFortune for a McDoctor. Let me remind you that your clinic at one point charged $12.00 per graft for experimental no-result-to-date BHT surgery. You’ve made millions on this secret large punch surgery. Who would have thought that a former MHR physician could make it so far on his own.

Let’s be clear. I have no marketing campaign as you do. I do not aggressively self-promote as you do. I do not make money on hair in any way, though you make a lot. I am not hiding anything as you are. I have no agenda. To suggest that I have one is totally preposterous.

You have an agenda. A big one. And it is clear in each and every one of your posts.

As a reminder, you stated earlier in this thread that any physician can corroborate your stories about your punch technology. The only doc we have heard from here is Dr. Woods. He did not corroborate your tales at all though. In fact, he seemed negative about your work and your aggressive marketing. It was interesting to hear this opinion from Dr. Woods, the inventor of FUE and BHT. Very interesting.

Let me quote one of your American presidents:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

A. Lincoln

Yes. Study must continue to refresh the staff and advance technique. We wouldn’t be where we are today had we not invested in our devices. The end result of study shows us that procedures can always get better. We also study because of national regulation bodies.

With bettet tools, we improve the procedure and more patients come to gain the benefits which include using less donor hair per procedure and getting the best coverage per graft. It’s pretty exciting to see a patient’s face after they come back months later after more matured growth apparent. We only want our patients to come back for the photos sessions and testimonies.

CIT,

I apologize if you missed my new questions. You missed them when answering another posters quesions. Here is mine below. They are different from the previous questions you choose not to answer.

I have more difficult questions that should be addressed . I am wondering if you will answer any question I ask. Here goes.
What happened to your BHT cases. There were several 10,000 graft BHT cases you claimed to have done. No results though. Additionally, Dr Woods correctly noted that the poster DJ never posted his repair results that were touted over and over. Also, what happen to the guy who created the BHT blog about his failed 10,000 graft BHT/CIT work at your clinic?

  1. These are just some of the McGrafts we never hear about anymore.

  2. These are the grafts and patients that I am concerned about.

  3. I also have major concerns about you filtering information to the public.

  4. At the very least, I expect honesty from a physician.

By the way, intact grafts via large punches are a small portion of the surgical equation. You might have an intact graft with your 1.1mm, your 1.2mm and your 1.3 CIT punches, but if you have massive turnover with your surgical staff (that you just stated yourself clearly in an ongoing thread on this site and you have stated in years past.), for example, you will find there is a high chance that the grafts will be traumatized during placement. So the McGrafts do not necessarily create a consistent McResult as you well know. Why
The consistent results from reputable clinics all have surgical staff that has been with the same hair transplant physician for more than a couple of years. In fact , it is not common that surgical staff has tenured at least 8 years or more.

I want to clearly state that there is no agenda here on my part. But trying to turn the tables on a hair loss patient and MPB sufferers seems to be the norm for you and your clinic. This seems consistent with your totally contemptuous attitude toward patients and readers. I gain nothing as a patient advocate. You, on the other hand, gain millions from your questionable surgeries and business practices. 2 million McGrafts served can create a McFortune for a McDoctor. Let me remind you that your clinic at one point charged $12.00 per graft for experimental no-result-to-date BHT surgery. You’ve made millions on this secret large punch surgery. Who would have thought that a former MHR physician could make it so far on his own.

Let’s be clear. I have no marketing campaign as you do. I do not aggressively self-promote as you do. I do not make money on hair in any way, though you make a lot. I am not hiding anything as you are. I have no agenda. To suggest that I have one is totally preposterous.

You have an agenda. A big one. And it is clear in each and every one of your posts.

As a reminder, you stated earlier in this thread that any physician can corroborate your stories about your punch technology. The only doc we have heard from here is Dr. Woods. He did not corroborate your tales at all though. In fact, he seemed negative about your work and your aggressive marketing. It was interesting to hear this opinion from Dr. Woods, the inventor of FUE and BHT. Very interesting.

Let me quote one of your American presidents:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

A. Lincoln

» CIT,
»
»
» I have more difficult questions that should be addressed . I am wondering
» if you will answer any question I ask. Here goes.
» What happened to your BHT cases. There were several 10,000 graft BHT cases
» you claimed to have done. No results though. Additionally, Dr Woods
» correctly noted that the poster DJ never posted his repair results that
» were touted over and over. Also, what happen to the guy who created the BHT
» blog about his failed 10,000 graft BHT/CIT work at your clinic?
» 1. These are just some of the McGrafts we never hear about anymore.
» 2. These are the grafts and patients that I am concerned about.
» 3. I also have major concerns about you filtering information to the
» public.
»
» 4. At the very least, I expect honesty from a physician.
»
» By the way, intact grafts via large punches are a small portion of the
» surgical equation. You might have an intact graft with your 1.1mm, your
» 1.2mm and your 1.3 CIT punches, but if you have massive turnover with your
» surgical staff (that you just stated yourself clearly in an ongoing thread
» on this site and you have stated in years past.), for example, you will
» find there is a high chance that the grafts will be traumatized during
» placement. So the McGrafts do not necessarily create a consistent McResult
» as you well know. Why
» The consistent results from reputable clinics all have surgical staff that
» has been with the same hair transplant physician for more than a couple of
» years. In fact , it is not common that surgical staff has tenured at
» least 8 years or more.
»
» I want to clearly state that there is no agenda here on my part. But
» trying to turn the tables on a hair loss patient and MPB sufferers seems to
» be the norm for you and your clinic. This seems consistent with your
» totally contemptuous attitude toward patients and readers. I gain nothing
» as a patient advocate. You, on the other hand, gain millions from your
» questionable surgeries and business practices. 2 million McGrafts served
» can create a McFortune for a McDoctor. Let me remind you that your clinic
» at one point charged $12.00 per graft for experimental no-result-to-date
» BHT surgery. You’ve made millions on this secret large punch surgery. Who
» would have thought that a former MHR physician could make it so far on his
» own.
»
» Let’s be clear. I have no marketing campaign as you do. I do not
» aggressively self-promote as you do. I do not make money on hair in any
» way, though you make a lot. I am not hiding anything as you are. I have no
» agenda. To suggest that I have one is totally preposterous.
»
» You have an agenda. A big one. And it is clear in each and every one of
» your posts.
»
» As a reminder, you stated earlier in this thread that any physician can
» corroborate your stories about your punch technology. The only doc we have
» heard from here is Dr. Woods. He did not corroborate your tales at all
» though. In fact, he seemed negative about your work and your aggressive
» marketing. It was interesting to hear this opinion from Dr. Woods, the
» inventor of FUE and BHT. Very interesting.
»
» Let me quote one of your American presidents:
»
» You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people
» some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
»
» A. Lincoln

bIGMAC,

Come to our office and I just might show you land mark results if you behave like an actual patient advocate. Better yet, call us at (800) 368- 4247. Wait, I’m sure you already know our number, being the noble CIT follower. This offer only stands with Dr. Cole’s as you are vigorously in pursuit of CIT entails.

I not concerned with your interest in our procedure. Furthermore, I am not concerned with your dislike of anything this clinic represents. I am also not concerned with your lack of satisfaction in your own hair transplant. The fact that you have nothing to look foward to in the HT industry is not of my concern either. Patient advocate is defined by accepting the responsibility to look out for the patients’ best interest. You seem to think that strip is great while others think differently. They come to us because they expect something and that is patient care and a state-of-the-art technique. You fabricate your unsubstantiated knowledge from second hand, “word of mouth” information. Sorry bigmac, you didn’t get the happiness you wanted. I will keep you posted as the CIT results continue to come hot out of the oven. From this point, I shall continue our communication through each case that I present to the community. Please judge us accordingly as you would an average clinic that happens to have trade secrets and disclosed them by producing each of their consistent quality results. some day after you’ve realized your mistake, YOU WILL BE SERVED.

“You can’t handle the truth” - CIT Results:ok:

Yours Truly,

CIT

CIT,

It is interesting that you continue your quest to dodge uneffectively every single question that I have simply asked. It would have been smarter to answer some or all of the questions given and it would have been to your advantage to use this opportunity to become transparent. Instead you become irritable and combative. So now I have no choice but to provide some friendly advice and and a very important definition to the term: “CONSISTENCY” in results. Please take out a Mc Pad or Mc Paper, and Mc Pen; sit back and take a closer look at what consistency means.

I think some readers are massively confused about what “consistency” is. A clinic might say, over and over again, ad nauseam, that their results are “consistent.” After all, any clever marketer knows about the hypnotic power of repetition. A clinic might then “prove” consistency by posting results. But since posting an accurate cross-section of results in not advantageous for acquiring business, results are cherry picked. Information is filtered. For example: information regarding the 1.1mm, 1.2mm, and 1.3mm CIT punches. Although a clinic may consistently post good results, this does not mean they create good results consistently. I hope that distinction is crystal clear. After all, photos of small 1000-2000 graft CIT cases (labeled “superior” by the CIT clinic) account for far less than even 5% of total CIT patient population. Therefore, consistency cannot be evaluated by these photos. We the readers see only the small subset of results that clinic is willing to show. This says very little as even an average and inconsistent surgeon has some good results. Certainly this is so for any doctor that has performed 2 million McCIT grafts.

“Consistency” is a marketing word like “superior.”

I would agree that Hasson and Wong, for example, have consistent results though. Here is why:

H and W and their patients posts photos. These are new photos. They are posted all the time on this and other sites. They never repeat posts of the same cases. There are even great cases that will appear on one site and not on the other. The clinic does not seem to feel the need to recycle the same photos across different pages. I imagine the reason for this is that there is a massive backlog of outstanding 4000-5000 graft patient photos. There is never trickery involved in the posts or the photos. There are just results, many of which are posted by the patients, not the clinic. These Hasson and Wong results are never touted as “superior” though. The quality and sheer volume of Hasson and Wong cases is self-evident. This is just one example to illustrate a point

What is more, patient complaints are very rare with Hasson and Wong and many other repeatable clinics. In my experience on and off-line this is not the case with Dr Cole patients. Patients complain about there care. Furthermore, there are many complaints about the results. How many 10,000 graft BHT/CIT cases have disappeared? Dr Umar, who may or may not be a good doc, has many 10,000 graft BHT patients jumping for joy with photos as evidence. Dr Cole’s BHT cases on the other hand disappear. DJ the great repair case also vanished with no final results. So after all this CIT grand standing, we are left with a handful of small 1000-2000 CIT cases. These say nothing of consistancy or superiority.

Given Dr Cole’s inability to speak frankly about any unfavorable aspects of his large punch surgery (even non-propriety aspects) I think it is more than reasonable to question the truthfulness of the CIT marketing campaign. Add to this the multiple vanished 10,000 BHT/CIT cases, DJ’s total disappearing act and the blog about the massive failed CIT Mc mega session and I think we have some huge red flags. This is tip of the iceberg. CIT claimed that any doctor outside his clinic can corroborate the claims about the “superiority” of CIT surgery. To date, not one doctor has.

By the way, I am curious who “CIT” the poster is. Is it Dr Cole himself or a marketing and sales representative.

Also i would like to point out i am more than happy with my fourth HT via strip and i in no way tell anyone to go the strip route.Fue and strip both produce great results and its down to individual needs and suitability.Its you who states your method is far superior and produces better results than everyone else.So please dont accuse /attack my good nature and just answer my questions please,after all thats what the forums are for,patients to ask questions and educate themselves .

Thankyou and please dont mcrib me anymore.

Its good to talk.:slight_smile:

» CIT,
»
» It is interesting that you continue your quest to dodge uneffectively
» every single question that I have simply asked. It would have been smarter
» to answer some or all of the questions given and it would have been to your
» advantage to use this opportunity to become transparent. Instead you become
» irritable and combative. So now I have no choice but to provide some
» friendly advice and and a very important definition to the term:
» “CONSISTENCY” in results. Please take out a Mc Pad or Mc Paper, and Mc
» Pen; sit back and take a closer look at what consistency means.
»
» I think some readers are massively confused about what “consistency” is. A
» clinic might say, over and over again, ad nauseam, that their results are
» “consistent.” After all, any clever marketer knows about the hypnotic power
» of repetition. A clinic might then “prove” consistency by posting results.
» But since posting an accurate cross-section of results in not advantageous
» for acquiring business, results are cherry picked. Information is filtered.
» For example: information regarding the 1.1mm, 1.2mm, and 1.3mm CIT punches.
» Although a clinic may consistently post good results, this does not mean
» they create good results consistently. I hope that distinction is crystal
» clear. After all, photos of small 1000-2000 graft CIT cases (labeled
» “superior” by the CIT clinic) account for far less than even 5% of total
» CIT patient population. Therefore, consistency cannot be evaluated by these
» photos. We the readers see only the small subset of results that clinic is
» willing to show. This says very little as even an average and inconsistent
» surgeon has some good results. Certainly this is so for any doctor that has
» performed 2 million McCIT grafts.
»
»
»
» “Consistency” is a marketing word like “superior.”
»
»
»
» I would agree that Hasson and Wong, for example, have consistent results
» though. Here is why:
»
»
»
» H and W and their patients posts photos. These are new photos. They are
» posted all the time on this and other sites. They never repeat posts of the
» same cases. There are even great cases that will appear on one site and not
» on the other. The clinic does not seem to feel the need to recycle the same
» photos across different pages. I imagine the reason for this is that there
» is a massive backlog of outstanding 4000-5000 graft patient photos. There
» is never trickery involved in the posts or the photos. There are just
» results, many of which are posted by the patients, not the clinic. These
» Hasson and Wong results are never touted as “superior” though. The quality
» and sheer volume of Hasson and Wong cases is self-evident. This is just one
» example to illustrate a point
»
»
»
» What is more, patient complaints are very rare with Hasson and Wong and
» many other repeatable clinics. In my experience on and off-line this is not
» the case with Dr Cole patients. Patients complain about there care.
» Furthermore, there are many complaints about the results. How many 10,000
» graft BHT/CIT cases have disappeared? Dr Umar, who may or may not be a good
» doc, has many 10,000 graft BHT patients jumping for joy with photos as
» evidence. Dr Cole’s BHT cases on the other hand disappear. DJ the great
» repair case also vanished with no final results. So after all this CIT
» grand standing, we are left with a handful of small 1000-2000 CIT cases.
» These say nothing of consistancy or superiority.
»
»
»
» Given Dr Cole’s inability to speak frankly about any unfavorable aspects
» of his large punch surgery (even non-propriety aspects) I think it is more
» than reasonable to question the truthfulness of the CIT marketing campaign.
» Add to this the multiple vanished 10,000 BHT/CIT cases, DJ’s total
» disappearing act and the blog about the massive failed CIT Mc mega session
» and I think we have some huge red flags. This is tip of the iceberg. CIT
» claimed that any doctor outside his clinic can corroborate the claims about
» the “superiority” of CIT surgery. To date, not one doctor has.
»
»
»
» By the way, I am curious who “CIT” the poster is. Is it Dr Cole himself or
» a marketing and sales representative.
»
» Also i would like to point out i am more than happy with my fourth HT via
» strip and i in no way tell anyone to go the strip route.Fue and strip both
» produce great results and its down to individual needs and suitability.Its
» you who states your method is far superior and produces better results than
» everyone else.So please dont accuse /attack my good nature and just answer
» my questions please,after all thats what the forums are for,patients to ask
» questions and educate themselves .
»
» Thankyou and please dont mcrib me anymore.
»
» Its good to talk.:slight_smile:

Bigmac,

You have already assumed “CIT” to be Dr. Cole and now your curious. You have already assumed specifics of our instrumentation. In your opinion, you have a good nature:-),but you seem to focus on your interests alone. You are no different from the ones who think their surgery was the best.

You are prone to manipulate actual truth versus your interpretation of anything said by other forum members. I stated the there is no clinic that can tell you that the aforementioned small instrument wasn’t produced earlier than the winter of 03’ by any surgeon than Dr.Cole. Obviously this conversation is pointless.

Thread in topic of discussion

Yeah, all the large cases disappear. Let’s call them out, Arvind, Cole, Woods, Umar all did large cases with no followup. Unacceptable!

» CIT,
»
» It is interesting that you continue your quest to dodge uneffectively
» every single question that I have simply asked. It would have been smarter
» to answer some or all of the questions given and it would have been to your
» advantage to use this opportunity to become transparent. Instead you become
» irritable and combative. So now I have no choice but to provide some
» friendly advice and and a very important definition to the term:
» “CONSISTENCY” in results. Please take out a Mc Pad or Mc Paper, and Mc
» Pen; sit back and take a closer look at what consistency means.
»
» I think some readers are massively confused about what “consistency” is. A
» clinic might say, over and over again, ad nauseam, that their results are
» “consistent.” After all, any clever marketer knows about the hypnotic power
» of repetition. A clinic might then “prove” consistency by posting results.
» But since posting an accurate cross-section of results in not advantageous
» for acquiring business, results are cherry picked. Information is filtered.
» For example: information regarding the 1.1mm, 1.2mm, and 1.3mm CIT punches.
» Although a clinic may consistently post good results, this does not mean
» they create good results consistently. I hope that distinction is crystal
» clear. After all, photos of small 1000-2000 graft CIT cases (labeled
» “superior” by the CIT clinic) account for far less than even 5% of total
» CIT patient population. Therefore, consistency cannot be evaluated by these
» photos. We the readers see only the small subset of results that clinic is
» willing to show. This says very little as even an average and inconsistent
» surgeon has some good results. Certainly this is so for any doctor that has
» performed 2 million McCIT grafts.
»
»
»
» “Consistency” is a marketing word like “superior.”
»
»
»
» I would agree that Hasson and Wong, for example, have consistent results
» though. Here is why:
»
»
»
» H and W and their patients posts photos. These are new photos. They are
» posted all the time on this and other sites. They never repeat posts of the
» same cases. There are even great cases that will appear on one site and not
» on the other. The clinic does not seem to feel the need to recycle the same
» photos across different pages. I imagine the reason for this is that there
» is a massive backlog of outstanding 4000-5000 graft patient photos. There
» is never trickery involved in the posts or the photos. There are just
» results, many of which are posted by the patients, not the clinic. These
» Hasson and Wong results are never touted as “superior” though. The quality
» and sheer volume of Hasson and Wong cases is self-evident. This is just one
» example to illustrate a point
»
»
»
» What is more, patient complaints are very rare with Hasson and Wong and
» many other repeatable clinics. In my experience on and off-line this is not
» the case with Dr Cole patients. Patients complain about there care.
» Furthermore, there are many complaints about the results. How many 10,000
» graft BHT/CIT cases have disappeared? Dr Umar, who may or may not be a good
» doc, has many 10,000 graft BHT patients jumping for joy with photos as
» evidence. Dr Cole’s BHT cases on the other hand disappear. DJ the great
» repair case also vanished with no final results. So after all this CIT
» grand standing, we are left with a handful of small 1000-2000 CIT cases.
» These say nothing of consistancy or superiority.
»
»
»
» Given Dr Cole’s inability to speak frankly about any unfavorable aspects
» of his large punch surgery (even non-propriety aspects) I think it is more
» than reasonable to question the truthfulness of the CIT marketing campaign.
» Add to this the multiple vanished 10,000 BHT/CIT cases, DJ’s total
» disappearing act and the blog about the massive failed CIT Mc mega session
» and I think we have some huge red flags. This is tip of the iceberg. CIT
» claimed that any doctor outside his clinic can corroborate the claims about
» the “superiority” of CIT surgery. To date, not one doctor has.
»
»
»
» By the way, I am curious who “CIT” the poster is. Is it Dr Cole himself or
» a marketing and sales representative.
»
» Also i would like to point out i am more than happy with my fourth HT via
» strip and i in no way tell anyone to go the strip route.Fue and strip both
» produce great results and its down to individual needs and suitability.Its
» you who states your method is far superior and produces better results than
» everyone else.So please dont accuse /attack my good nature and just answer
» my questions please,after all thats what the forums are for,patients to ask
» questions and educate themselves .
»
» Thankyou and please dont mcrib me anymore.
»
» Its good to talk.:slight_smile:

» CIT,
»
» It is interesting that you continue your quest to dodge uneffectively
» every single question that I have simply asked. It would have been smarter
» to answer some or all of the questions given and it would have been to your
» advantage to use this opportunity to become transparent. Instead you become
» irritable and combative. So now I have no choice but to provide some
» friendly advice and and a very important definition to the term:
» “CONSISTENCY” in results. Please take out a Mc Pad or Mc Paper, and Mc
» Pen; sit back and take a closer look at what consistency means.
»
» I think some readers are massively confused about what “consistency” is. A
» clinic might say, over and over again, ad nauseam, that their results are
» “consistent.” After all, any clever marketer knows about the hypnotic power
» of repetition. A clinic might then “prove” consistency by posting results.
» But since posting an accurate cross-section of results in not advantageous
» for acquiring business, results are cherry picked. Information is filtered.
» For example: information regarding the 1.1mm, 1.2mm, and 1.3mm CIT punches.
» Although a clinic may consistently post good results, this does not mean
» they create good results consistently. I hope that distinction is crystal
» clear. After all, photos of small 1000-2000 graft CIT cases (labeled
» “superior” by the CIT clinic) account for far less than even 5% of total
» CIT patient population. Therefore, consistency cannot be evaluated by these
» photos. We the readers see only the small subset of results that clinic is
» willing to show. This says very little as even an average and inconsistent
» surgeon has some good results. Certainly this is so for any doctor that has
» performed 2 million McCIT grafts.
»
»
»
» “Consistency” is a marketing word like “superior.”
»
»
»
» I would agree that Hasson and Wong, for example, have consistent results
» though. Here is why:
»
»
»
» H and W and their patients posts photos. These are new photos. They are
» posted all the time on this and other sites. They never repeat posts of the
» same cases. There are even great cases that will appear on one site and not
» on the other. The clinic does not seem to feel the need to recycle the same
» photos across different pages. I imagine the reason for this is that there
» is a massive backlog of outstanding 4000-5000 graft patient photos. There
» is never trickery involved in the posts or the photos. There are just
» results, many of which are posted by the patients, not the clinic. These
» Hasson and Wong results are never touted as “superior” though. The quality
» and sheer volume of Hasson and Wong cases is self-evident. This is just one
» example to illustrate a point
»
»
»
» What is more, patient complaints are very rare with Hasson and Wong and
» many other repeatable clinics. In my experience on and off-line this is not
» the case with Dr Cole patients. Patients complain about there care.
» Furthermore, there are many complaints about the results. How many 10,000
» graft BHT/CIT cases have disappeared? Dr Umar, who may or may not be a good
» doc, has many 10,000 graft BHT patients jumping for joy with photos as
» evidence. Dr Cole’s BHT cases on the other hand disappear. DJ the great
» repair case also vanished with no final results. So after all this CIT
» grand standing, we are left with a handful of small 1000-2000 CIT cases.
» These say nothing of consistancy or superiority.
»
»
»
» Given Dr Cole’s inability to speak frankly about any unfavorable aspects
» of his large punch surgery (even non-propriety aspects) I think it is more
» than reasonable to question the truthfulness of the CIT marketing campaign.
» Add to this the multiple vanished 10,000 BHT/CIT cases, DJ’s total
» disappearing act and the blog about the massive failed CIT Mc mega session
» and I think we have some huge red flags. This is tip of the iceberg. CIT
» claimed that any doctor outside his clinic can corroborate the claims about
» the “superiority” of CIT surgery. To date, not one doctor has.
»
»
»
» By the way, I am curious who “CIT” the poster is. Is it Dr Cole himself or
» a marketing and sales representative.
»
» Also i would like to point out i am more than happy with my fourth HT via
» strip and i in no way tell anyone to go the strip route.Fue and strip both
» produce great results and its down to individual needs and suitability.Its
» you who states your method is far superior and produces better results than
» everyone else.So please dont accuse /attack my good nature and just answer
» my questions please,after all thats what the forums are for,patients to ask
» questions and educate themselves .
»
» Thankyou and please dont mcrib me anymore.
»
» Its good to talk.:slight_smile:

Well you may want to include “Jotronic” in this talk show. He says FUE in inferior to FUT. His quote, "We have no plans to offer FUE at this time. To date, we feel our results are more consistent and offer a better value. Consequently, donor scar length is longer with bigger sessions and shorter with smaller sessions and usually shorter hair styles can be achieved either way. I respect your position but I want to make sure you understand the dynamics of the procedure and that while some cases have the donor excised in a long narrow fashion there are others that are quite short in comparison and of course quite narrow. "

» Yeah, all the large cases disappear. Let’s call them out, Arvind, Cole,
» Woods, Umar all did large cases with no followup. Unacceptable!
. What are you calling large cases? And is it head hair only?