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FOOLS, ALL OF YOU! (regarding Acell)


#1

All of you on this site who have promoted Acell (you know who you are) have misled people here, you have contributed to the perpetration of a F R A U D, through your ignorance!!


#2

Its pointless to talk about Acell anymore its a was of your breath, time, and energy we kow it was a s.c.a.m. I also wanted to inform everyone that I heard on another forum that Cotsarelis said that he changed his date to another another 5 years!!!

no hope… no hopewhatsoever…


#3

» All of you on this site who have promoted Acell (you know who you are) have
» misled people here, you have contributed to the perpetration of a F R A U
» D, through your ignorance!!

I entertained the possibility acell might work. I also spent time researching PRP along with automated transplant devices - basically I championed anything that could help this community, so go ahead… call me fool. I dare you.

At least I don’t start posts to trample on other people’s efforts to bolster my ego. I leave that to the man-bitches.


#4

Eyebrow HT.


#5

» http://www.fellermedical.com/Eyebrow.htm
»
» Eyebrow HT.

Fckhrls, you truly are one of the best people on here and I honestly mean that. Would you yourself have this done if you were in my shoes?


#6

» All of you on this site who have promoted Acell (you know who you are) have
» misled people here, you have contributed to the perpetration of a F R A U
» D, through your ignorance!!

Yeah. I guess all of the other options we have here are much better. Wait, we don’t have any other options. I guess it’s no more foolish than waiting for a pipe dream for the rest of your life (or at least until you’re too old for it to matter)…lol.


#7

» » http://www.fellermedical.com/Eyebrow.htm
» »
» » Eyebrow HT.
»
» Fckhrls, you truly are one of the best people on here and I honestly mean
» that. Would you yourself have this done if you were in my shoes?

I would DEFINITELY go have a consultation with someone who does eyebrow transplants. I think its going to be a very long time (years) before any true hair cloning protocol hits the market, and I think these eyebrow transplants look good, so why wait? Go talk to a transplant doc and see what they say.


#8

» » » http://www.fellermedical.com/Eyebrow.htm
» » »
» » » Eyebrow HT.
» »
» » Fckhrls, you truly are one of the best people on here and I honestly
» mean
» » that. Would you yourself have this done if you were in my shoes?
»
» I would DEFINITELY go have a consultation with someone who does eyebrow
» transplants. I think its going to be a very long time (years) before any
» true hair cloning protocol hits the market, and I think these eyebrow
» transplants look good, so why wait? Go talk to a transplant doc and see
» what they say.

Alright! I trust you man, I am going to give it a try. I am thinking about Dr. Jeffrey Epstein it’s going to take time though (I just bought a car to get to work and college) so I am going to be doing a lot saving/paying off some debt. This doctor seems good to me and some what close enough. I think your right this is probably the best thing I can do since hair cloning is so far away. Until I have enough money though I’ll keep popping in here to check out the latest. THANKS FCKHRLS!


#9

» » » » http://www.fellermedical.com/Eyebrow.htm
» » » »
» » » » Eyebrow HT.
» » »
» » » Fckhrls, you truly are one of the best people on here and I honestly
» » mean
» » » that. Would you yourself have this done if you were in my shoes?
» »
» » I would DEFINITELY go have a consultation with someone who does eyebrow
» » transplants. I think its going to be a very long time (years) before
» any
» » true hair cloning protocol hits the market, and I think these eyebrow
» » transplants look good, so why wait? Go talk to a transplant doc and
» see
» » what they say.
»
» Alright! I trust you man, I am going to give it a try. I am thinking
» about Dr. Jeffrey Epstein it’s going to take time though (I just bought a
» car to get to work and college) so I am going to be doing a lot
» saving/paying off some debt. This doctor seems good to me and some what
» close enough. I think your right this is probably the best thing I can do
» since hair cloning is so far away. Until I have enough money though I’ll
» keep popping in here to check out the latest. THANKS FCKHRLS!

I’m not saying you should definitely do it, only that if it bothers you enough, you should at least talk to a HT doc about it, as it seems like a pretty common and successful procedure.

Where did you hear about that new Costeralis interview where he said its going to be another five years?


#10

» » » » » http://www.fellermedical.com/Eyebrow.htm
» » » » »
» » » » » Eyebrow HT.
» » » »
» » » » Fckhrls, you truly are one of the best people on here and I
» honestly
» » » mean
» » » » that. Would you yourself have this done if you were in my shoes?
» » »
» » » I would DEFINITELY go have a consultation with someone who does
» eyebrow
» » » transplants. I think its going to be a very long time (years) before
» » any
» » » true hair cloning protocol hits the market, and I think these eyebrow
» » » transplants look good, so why wait? Go talk to a transplant doc and
» » see
» » » what they say.
» »
» » Alright! I trust you man, I am going to give it a try. I am thinking
» » about Dr. Jeffrey Epstein it’s going to take time though (I just bought
» a
» » car to get to work and college) so I am going to be doing a lot
» » saving/paying off some debt. This doctor seems good to me and some
» what
» » close enough. I think your right this is probably the best thing I can
» do
» » since hair cloning is so far away. Until I have enough money though
» I’ll
» » keep popping in here to check out the latest. THANKS FCKHRLS!
»
» I’m not saying you should definitely do it, only that if it bothers you
» enough, you should at least talk to a HT doc about it, as it seems like a
» pretty common and successful procedure.
»
» Where did you hear about that new Costeralis interview where he said its
» going to be another five years?

Since it does bother me ALOT then that actually makes a lot of sense to me. (Yes this time I do understand what your saying.)

This is where I found the information I was talking about: http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2008/08/12/new-fundraising-for-hair-raising-follica-takes-in-11-million-for-baldness-treatment-approach/

It is the last post made by someone named Robert. I also want to apologize because it was foolish of me to post something like that on here. The information is not official and just a random person on the net. I honestly was not trying to mislead anyone though. I simply got caught up in it at the time and didn’t consider the effect it could have…

Anyway I’m so tired I think I am going to die, so goodnight.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I think I read something similar to what this Robert guy said on a forum called Her Alopecia but I can’t find it anymore.


#11

» Yeah. I guess all of the other options we have here are much better.
» Wait, we don’t have any other options. I guess it’s no more foolish than
» waiting for a pipe dream for the rest of your life (or at least until
» you’re too old for it to matter)…lol.

So you decided to chase down this option just for that reason? Because “we don’t have any other options”? How about pursuing an option because it’s worthy of pursuing?

The problem with this whole Acell thing is that you opened up a Pandora’s box – as I knew would happen with this.

Once you present these HT doctors with a win-win situation, where they don’t have to do any substantial research (because the product is already approved), they can essentially make any claims they want, stretching the truth by a few inches or a few miles, whatever suits them. This thing has the potential to unleash skam after bloody skam against hairloss sufferers.

And for everyone here who thinks I am pro-HT, I am telling you right now that the whole entire thing of me promoting HT doctors and defending HT was an ACT. I was pulling y’all’s legs, just for fun!! I am actually very wary of HT docs… or “doctors” as fckhrls calls them. LOVE the quotation marks!! :stuck_out_tongue:


#12

» » Yeah. I guess all of the other options we have here are much better.
» » Wait, we don’t have any other options. I guess it’s no more foolish
» than
» » waiting for a pipe dream for the rest of your life (or at least until
» » you’re too old for it to matter)…lol.
»
»
» So you decided to chase down this option just for that reason? Because
» “we don’t have any other options”? How about pursuing an option because
» it’s worthy of pursuing?

Anything that has a remote possibility to benefit us is worth pursuing.

» The problem with this whole Acell thing is that you opened up a Pandora’s
» box – as I knew would happen with this.

You weren’t even a member here when I was posting about Acell

» Once you present these HT doctors with a win-win situation, where they
» don’t have to do any substantial research (because the product is already
» approved), they can essentially make any claims they want, stretching the
» truth by a few inches or a few miles, whatever suits them. This thing has
» the potential to unleash skam after bloody skam against hairloss
» sufferers.
»
» And for everyone here who thinks I am pro-HT, I am telling you right now
» that the whole entire thing of me promoting HT doctors and defending HT was
» an ACT. I was pulling y’all’s legs, just for fun!! I am actually very
» wary of HT docs… or “doctors” as fckhrls calls them. LOVE the
» quotation marks!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Are you serious? Get a life. I would never go to a forum and mess with people just for fun. It sounds like you need more than hair.


#13

Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full of ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies, self-experimentation, and skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only because I have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics. I understand the argument that how does creating one more useless topic fight against a bunch of already-existing useless topics. All right, I admit that connection is not clear enough. Maybe it was a bad tactic. For sure, it didn’t work, because we still see all of this garbage posted here.

You say that we should be discussing all ideas, “however remote”. Some stuff is just too remote to be common sense. Do you want us to discuss that, too?

I repeat what I said before, though – your idea about introducing the HT doctors to Acell was BRILLIANT from a marketing standpoint. You created an economic win-win situation not just for one potential client but for two. And you did it in a way that would both boost their potential sales AND cost them almost no overhead (e.g., FDA review costs). Plus, you introduced it on a popular hairloss forum with a lot of enthusiastic, ready-made customers-in-waiting. PLUS, you handed them all an idea that lent itself to making vague and exaggerated claims without offering real proof. And you introduced it not on the HT forum of Hairsite, but on the HM forum, creating the implication – before anyone was asked to prove anything – that this was, from the get-go, a path to hair multiplication or cloning, not just something that MIGHT help heal wounds better. So you laid the groundwork for these inflated and sketchy claims in advance.

This is exactly the kind of idea that people spend $30,000 a year in business school to get an Ivy League MBA for. So it’s no wonder your idea “clicked” not just with Acell but also with the HT doctors. All of them saw nothing but $$$$$$.

The problem is, does introducing an idea like this – with marginal and fuzzy (to use your word, “remote” ) scientific grounding – constitute a real victory for people trying to get back their hair?

I would argue what it does is just open up one more avenue for unethical and desperate HT doctors to ply their trade, suck in more patients, take their money, and disappoint a lot of people.

I’m not saying that it’s a bad idea across the board to introduce new ideas like this. However, when attempting to make deals between researchers/startups and HT doctors, beware – and please get someone with a real scientific background (like an unbiased doctor or researcher) to screen the idea first. Don’t just jump into the fray with no knowledge, like you’re in the Wild West. Jumping into something like this based on simply looking at some pictures on some company’s website, CAN be dangerous… because you may inadvertently give people the ammunition with which they will attempt to take advantage of people.


#14

Roger, you played into their hands by responding to them, so you are a fool along with the rest of them.

» Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full of
» ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies, self-experimentation, and
» skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only because I
» have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics. I understand the
» argument that how does creating one more useless topic fight against a
» bunch of already-existing useless topics. All right, I admit that
» connection is not clear enough. Maybe it was a bad tactic. For sure, it
» didn’t work, because we still see all of this garbage posted here.
»
» You say that we should be discussing all ideas, “however remote”. Some
» stuff is just too remote to be common sense. Do you want us to discuss
» that, too?
»
» I repeat what I said before, though – your idea about introducing the HT
» doctors to Acell was BRILLIANT from a marketing standpoint. You created
» an economic win-win situation not just for one potential client but for
» two. And you did it in a way that would both boost their potential sales
» AND cost them almost no overhead (e.g., FDA review costs). Plus, you
» introduced it on a popular hairloss forum with a lot of enthusiastic,
» ready-made customers-in-waiting. PLUS, you handed them all an idea that
» lent itself to making vague and exaggerated claims without offering real
» proof. And you introduced it not on the HT forum of Hairsite, but on the
» HM forum, creating the implication – before anyone was asked to prove
» anything – that this was, from the get-go, a path to hair multiplication
» or cloning, not just something that MIGHT help heal wounds better. So you
» laid the groundwork for these inflated and sketchy claims in advance.
»
» This is exactly the kind of idea that people spend $30,000 a year in
» business school to get an Ivy League MBA for. So it’s no wonder your idea
» “clicked” not just with Acell but also with the HT doctors. All of them
» saw nothing but $$$$$$.
»
» The problem is, does introducing an idea like this – with marginal and
» fuzzy (to use your word, “remote” ) scientific grounding – constitute a
» real victory for people trying to get back their hair?
»
» I would argue what it does is just open up one more avenue for unethical
» and desperate HT doctors to ply their trade, suck in more patients, take
» their money, and disappoint a lot of people.
»
» I’m not saying that it’s a bad idea across the board to introduce new
» ideas like this. However, when attempting to make deals between
» researchers/startups and HT doctors, beware – and please get someone with
» a real scientific background (like an unbiased doctor or researcher) to
» screen the idea first. Don’t just jump into the fray with no knowledge,
» like you’re in the Wild West. Jumping into something like this based on
» simply looking at some pictures on some company’s website, CAN be
» dangerous… because you may inadvertently give people the ammunition with
» which they will attempt to take advantage of people.


#15

» Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full of
» ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies, self-experimentation, and
» skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only because I have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics. I understand the
» argument that how does creating one more useless topic fight against a
» bunch of already-existing useless topics.
All right, I admit that
» connection is not clear enough. Maybe it was a bad tactic. For sure, it
» didn’t work, because we still see all of this garbage posted here.

@roger_that: You see a lot. I can see a lot too: That means, I can see that you’re doing completely the same what you criticize in your post.

Question:

  • How many topics this forum need e.g. for “ACell”?
  • How many topics this forum need e.g. for “Histogen”?
  • How many topics this forum need e.g. for “Dr. Hitzig”?
  • How many topics this forum need e.g. for “Aderans”?
  • How many …

I think you should know what I mean …

Example:
If for e.g. "ACell each and every post would be posted within a topic simply called “ACell” - sure, Users would create maybe a endless chain of posts. That means, not always easy to follow - BUT users would create a HISTORY …
That means, everybody would know that e.g. “ACell” just has come into a big crossfire, which has just been created by users here on HairSite. That is the truth.

Would you like to know the truth behind e.g. “ACell”?
You CAN find it here on HairSite - that is true too …


#16

» Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full of
» ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies, self-experimentation, and
» skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only because I
» have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics.

So let me get this straight, you decided to “shake-up” a forum with manageable amounts of “ridiculous misinformation” by substituting that info with your own brand of exponentially expanding and unimaginably useless “misinformation”. Great plan genius, but there’s only one problem…nobody wants, needs, or asked for your leader$hit.

BTW I didn’t read the rest of your post because idgafay.


#17

» » Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full
» of
» » ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies, self-experimentation,
» and
» » skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only because
» I
» » have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics.
»
» So let me get this straight, you decided to “shake-up” a forum with
» manageable amounts of “ridiculous misinformation” by substituting that info
» with your own brand of exponentially expanding and unimaginably useless
» “misinformation”. Great plan genius, but there’s only one problem…nobody
» wants, needs, or asked for your leader$hit.
»
» BTW I didn’t read the rest of your post because idgafay.

That about sums it up!


#18

» » » Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten full
» » of
» » » ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies,
» self-experimentation,
» » and
» » » skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only
» because
» » I
» » » have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics.
» »
» » So let me get this straight, you decided to “shake-up” a forum with
» » manageable amounts of “ridiculous misinformation” by substituting that
» info
» » with your own brand of exponentially expanding and unimaginably useless
» » “misinformation”. Great plan genius, but there’s only one
» problem…nobody
» » wants, needs, or asked for your leader$hit.
» »
» » BTW I didn’t read the rest of your post because idgafay.
»
» That about sums it up!

NO - not really!

I think HairSite READERS are able to read the HISTORY and development about this endless “ACell-Story”:


Titel: Limitless Donor Supply-Acell
posted by Raptor, 03.06.2007, 09:39

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-2810-page-0-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC-category-all.html

So what happened AFTER this post by “Raptor” resp. during this time?
What happend after this post by “Raptor” and in this moment to ACell?


#19

» » » » Willy, I was trying to shake things up on a forum that has gotten
» full
» » » of
» » » » ridiculous misinformation about bogus companies,
» » self-experimentation,
» » » and
» » » » skams. Yes, I was trying to create some controversy, but only
» » because
» » » I
» » » » have seen this forum degenerate into 90% useless topics.
» » »
» » » So let me get this straight, you decided to “shake-up” a forum with
» » » manageable amounts of “ridiculous misinformation” by substituting
» that
» » info
» » » with your own brand of exponentially expanding and unimaginably
» useless
» » » “misinformation”. Great plan genius, but there’s only one
» » problem…nobody
» » » wants, needs, or asked for your leader$hit.
» » »
» » » BTW I didn’t read the rest of your post because idgafay.
» »
» » That about sums it up!
»
» NO - not really!
»
» I think HairSite READERS are able to read the HISTORY and development
» about this endless “ACell-Story”:
»
» -------------------------------
» Titel: Limitless Donor Supply-Acell
» posted by Raptor, 03.06.2007, 09:39
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-2810-page-0-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC-category-all.html
» -------------------------------
»
» So what happened AFTER this post by “Raptor” resp. during this time?
» What happend after this post by “Raptor” and in this moment to ACell?

To be honest with you, I never really know what you are talking about.


#20

» NO - not really!
»
» I think HairSite READERS are able to read the HISTORY and development
» about this endless “ACell-Story”:
»
» -------------------------------
» Titel: Limitless Donor Supply-Acell
» posted by Raptor, 03.06.2007, 09:39
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-2810-page-0-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC-category-all.html
» -------------------------------
»
» So what happened AFTER this post by “Raptor” resp. during this time?
» What happend after this post by “Raptor” and in this moment to ACell?

I see allot of problems as well. For one, I see allot of new guys that joined hairsite with a mysterious chip on their shoulder over Acell and Willy’s efforts to help this community. Talk about things that make you go hmmm .

Having said that, I don’t understand why everyone’s complaining about Acell. It was a shot in the dark, and that very fact was fully disclaimed by Willy before he vetted a single doctor to test the product.

BUT, If you’re going to complain about Acell than you might as well complain about the other biotechs involved in hair treatments. For example, what happened to InterCytex (when they were in business), what happened to Washenik’s claims of an imminent product from Aderans by 2010. What happened to PRP, or Follica’s initial promises? What happened to Dr Armani’s magical HM treatment, or TRX2? This is the wonderful world of biotech; it’s full of honest and dishonest firms alike; get used to it.