Follica pictures

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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You’re out of the loop. We’ve been discussing this case heavily for the last week.

The pic is of a terminal cancer patient who unexpectedly regrew this hair on his head while taking oral Gentifib (which is probably the main drug that Folica will use).

This patient wasn’t doing any hair-oriented regimen or anything. No depilation, no waiting 3 days, no scalp wounding, no waiting 3-5 days after that, and no stoppage of the drug after the 7-10 day critical period. He just took the pills long-term and this was what his head looked like about 3 months after he started the drug.

It doesn’t happen to the majority of Gentifib patients or anything, but the core possibility is demonstrated - Folica’s raw idea is not crazy.

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10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I’m Norwood 7 and shave my head so there is no hair there to ‘inconvenience’ the procedure. For the first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu oil.
I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase), dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of minoxidil. As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don’t own a digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about, I’ll obtain one and post pictures.
However, I’m getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules into the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder effects such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I’ll keep you guys apprised IF there is anything to shout about.

Oh and every couple of days, I’m using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my scalp before applying the topical.

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Thanks for letting us know whats going on with you Baccy…I would have to say that we all have our fingers crossed that you get positive results :slight_smile: …maybe you should get checked by your doc though if your getting those side effects just to make sure your ok ? (I know that is a pain in the butt but it is worth it)

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We surely have our fingers crossed for you …

I suggest that you listen to nice joyful music so that you reduce the psychological side effects.

I’m also tempted to recommend chocolate, for the same psychological sides, to you but who knows may be it has some inhibiting power for something you need in this process.

Anyway hope the best.

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» 10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I’m Norwood 7 and shave
» my head so there is no hair there to ‘inconvenience’ the procedure. For the
» first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu oil.
» I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase),
» dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of minoxidil.
» As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don’t own a
» digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about, I’ll
» obtain one and post pictures.
» However, I’m getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the
» quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules into
» the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four
» tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad
» (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder effects
» such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I’ll keep you guys
» apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
»
» Oh and every couple of days, I’m using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my scalp
» before applying the topical.

baccy, 2 questions:

  1. i thought u were an icx trialist, or planned to be. won’t this affect their results or maybe eliminate you as a trialist in the future?

  2. the fact that ur a nw 7 is important. most of us guys are much lower on the norwood scale than u are… i am about a 3.5. HOW will this whole wounding/sanding/dermabrading thing work on us… u mentioned there is no hair to “inconvenience”… well, what about the rest of us who have a substantial amount of hair to “inconvenience”… how will this affect our ability to benefit from follica.

i don’t see anyone here addressing that question. the vast majority of us balding guys still have substantial hair on our heads. we would like to preserve that hair, and possibly to increase its growth. NOT to risk losing it by dermabrading our scalps over the remaining hair we have.

how will follica address this question/issue?

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» » 10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I’m Norwood 7 and
» shave
» » my head so there is no hair there to ‘inconvenience’ the procedure. For
» the
» » first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu
» oil.
» » I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase),
» » dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of
» minoxidil.
» » As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don’t own a
» » digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about,
» I’ll
» » obtain one and post pictures.
» » However, I’m getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the
» » quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules
» into
» » the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four
» » tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad
» » (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder
» effects
» » such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I’ll keep you guys
» » apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
» »
» » Oh and every couple of days, I’m using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my
» scalp
» » before applying the topical.
»
» baccy, 2 questions:
»
» 1. i thought u were an icx trialist, or planned to be. won’t this affect
» their results or maybe eliminate you as a trialist in the future?
»
» 2. the fact that ur a nw 7 is important. most of us guys are much lower
» on the norwood scale than u are… i am about a 3.5. HOW will this whole
» wounding/sanding/dermabrading thing work on us… u mentioned there is no
» hair to “inconvenience”… well, what about the rest of us who have a
» substantial amount of hair to “inconvenience”… how will this affect our
» ability to benefit from follica.
»
» i don’t see anyone here addressing that question. the vast majority of
» us balding guys still have substantial hair on our heads. we would like
» to preserve that hair, and possibly to increase its growth. NOT to risk
» losing it by dermabrading our scalps over the remaining hair we have.
»
» how will follica address this question/issue?

I’m pretty sure Benji said before that the dermabrasion isn’t deep enough to affect the existing follicles…

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» I’m pretty sure Benji said before that the dermabrasion isn’t deep enough
» to affect the existing follicles…

how do we know that for sure?

did benji take measurements?

what if the difference between destroying a follicle and not destroying a follicle is, like, 0.7 millimeter?

i’m just kidding about that, of course… the difference is probably greater than that. but still, how close can we afford to cut it, when we’re talking about risking our precious follicles here?

can we take that risk?

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My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump on it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly more than just lithium and dermabrassion.

chances that I’m wrong and baccy will grow some useable coverage are next to nothing. Even though, I do think its unfair to him, us, and everyone who has to go through this. FCK HAIRLOSS.

Good luck anyway Baccy.

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» The pic is of a terminal cancer patient who unexpectedly regrew this hair
» on his head while taking oral Gentifib (which is probably the main drug
» that Folica will use).

that’s why I posted img :stuck_out_tongue: sorry

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What I meant by ‘inconveniencing’ is that it should be very apparent whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without just sanding bits here and there.
If it fails this time ie: if I don’t get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try again as I’m sure we can replicate Follica’s procedure to a certain extent.
I don’t want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.

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I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world. BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most experienced people haven’t even come close.
I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to yourself.

Travis

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» What I meant by ‘inconveniencing’ is that it should be very apparent
» whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake
» for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without
» just sanding bits here and there.
» If it fails this time ie: if I don’t get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from
» now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try
» again as I’m sure we can replicate Follica’s procedure to a certain
» extent.
» I don’t want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.

thankx, baccy.

and what of your interest in being a trialist for icx?

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» My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi
» terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump on
» it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly more
» than just lithium and dermabrassion.

debris, i think you’re right.

this follica method will probably grow some hair, but way too thin and sparse to be considered anything near a real cure.

my prediction is that it’ll be about the same, or possibly worse than rogaine in terms of effects.

and i don’t think lithium is the answer to anything with regards to hair.

lithium is just a chemical element, the same thing that they give to people with manic depression (bipolar disorder).

how in the hell can putting this random chemical on your head make substantial new hair grow?

VERY unlikely.

i think all these ppl talking about lithium are just imagining things.

they’re just taking some random anecdotal evidence they heard linking lithium to hairgrowth in some animal experiment or something, and extrapolating that it’ll make lots of new hair grow on guys with mpb.

when has it ever been proven, even remotely proven???

now, if a hm company like icx adopts the dermabrasion method and combines it with injecting dp cells, that’s something entirely different.

combining hm + dermabrasion might be the answer we’re looking for, but it’ll require testing from ground zero…

but i think it’ll work. the dermabrasion will release a bunch of stem cells and majorly jack up the effectiveness of the hm.

cells are the only answer, my friends. NOT putting some random chemical powder or soup on your head.

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» I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world.
» BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been
» contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I
» would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to
» make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that
» guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most
» experienced people haven’t even come close.
» I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to
» yourself.
»
» Travis

Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar

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» Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar

or perhaps wait a month and see how ACELL testing goes. There are few people looking into trying that stuff on their heads to heal scars & possibly regrow hair.

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» » My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi
» » terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump
» on
» » it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly
» more
» » than just lithium and dermabrassion.
»
» debris, i think you’re right.
»
» this follica method will probably grow some hair, but way too thin and
» sparse to be considered anything near a real cure.
»
» my prediction is that it’ll be about the same, or possibly worse than
» rogaine in terms of effects.
»
» and i don’t think lithium is the answer to anything with regards to hair.
»
» lithium is just a chemical element, the same thing that they give to
» people with manic depression (bipolar disorder).
»
» how in the hell can putting this random chemical on your head make
» substantial new hair grow?
»
» VERY unlikely.
»
» i think all these ppl talking about lithium are just imagining things.
»
» they’re just taking some random anecdotal evidence they heard linking
» lithium to hairgrowth in some animal experiment or something, and
» extrapolating that it’ll make lots of new hair grow on guys with mpb.
»
» when has it ever been proven, even remotely proven???
»
» now, if a hm company like icx adopts the dermabrasion method and combines
» it with injecting dp cells, that’s something entirely different.
»
» combining hm + dermabrasion might be the answer we’re looking for, but
» it’ll require testing from ground zero…
»
» but i think it’ll work. the dermabrasion will release a bunch of stem
» cells and majorly jack up the effectiveness of the hm.
»
» cells are the only answer, my friends. NOT putting some random chemical
» powder or soup on your head.

baldbaby, that is the stupidest post I’ve read in a while…Did you even read several long threads in which we discussed these procedures??? Did you see that Fuchs’ video that I posted about how WNT signalling increases follicles?

Btw, lithium mimics WNT signalling…it’s not a random chemical!

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» I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world.
» BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been
» contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I
» would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to
» make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that
» guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most
» experienced people haven’t even come close.
» I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to
» yourself.
»
» Travis

Well, these same smart/experiened people debunked new hair growth after scars 50 years ago!! If these smart people actually looked into it, we probably would have a cure long time ago.

I think the biggest problem is that most people just obsess over DHT. DHT only damages the follicles, so taking a DHT inhibitor will almost stop your hairloss but it Won’t reverse hairloss. The stuff we’re discussing here falls into regenerative medicine category i.e. Follica & ACELL. Follica methods essentially creates new hair (what Baccy is attempting to do by following the procedure). ACELL supposedly resets the biological time-clock & reverses the damage and it will be available next month, so we’ll know for sure.

No one is trying to outsmart the smart guys, we’re just following what they are doing and seeing if we can get any regrowth before it’s officaly marketed.

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» What I meant by ‘inconveniencing’ is that it should be very apparent
» whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake
» for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without
» just sanding bits here and there.
» If it fails this time ie: if I don’t get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from
» now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try
» again as I’m sure we can replicate Follica’s procedure to a certain
» extent.
» I don’t want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.

Baccy, why don’t you try of the Copper-peptides from SkinBiology? They will help reconstruct the damaged skin (bald scalp is thinner), which should definitely help with hair growth.

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Good point goata007 : we are trying to be neutral here not getting emotionally invovled …and having a purely scientific attitude all the time…Acell,Follica are something and no body can deny that. Just look at the last Acell trial info and you’ll understand what we are talking about …We are talking about opening a window of opportunity and tricking the body aka : the stem cells to think that they need to build again some parts of the body.

In BTW : Here in my country there had always been numerous reports about bald persons that were capable of regrowing hair through wounding the scalp and rubbing garlic all over the wounded areas…Here is one other piece of information that matches the many converging indicators that do all confirm the reliability of the follica approach .

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»
» Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar

As children we were made to believe that Santa Claus & the Tooth Ferry where very real.There was MASS ADVERTISING & holidays to fool us.When we got older we found out the truth.
Don’t believe everything you see & hear my friend. TAKE THIS HINT VERY SERIOUSLY.