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Dr. Jones deviated from Acell\'s instructions to try worst case scenario


#1

Spoke with Manning, the Acell rep, and learned that Dr. Jones was trying to see if the wound would heal under the worst case scenario conditions. Manning admitted that the wound should have been kept moist and under a bandaged for several weeks and that acell should have been reapplied several times. I suppose Dr. Jones deviated from Acell’s suggestions to see whether or not he could use acell on patients who are not able to return to him for frequent visits.

Manning also said that there are several docs using acell but that he is not at liberty to reveal who they are at this time.


#2

» Spoke with Manning, the Acell rep, and learned that Dr. Jones was trying to
» see if the wound would heal under the worst case scenario conditions.

Wow! That’s…remarkable! Thanks for investigating it and telling us! That means we probably cannot conclude very much if the experiment is a failure. More experiments are likely required. It would be interesting to see the results under optimum conditions.


#3

Thanks, why the secrecy with other doctors, I think Dr. Cole may be one of them, since his people posted in the hair transplant forum just recently about Acell.


#4

» Thanks, why the secrecy with other doctors, I think Dr. Cole may be one of
» them, since his people posted in the hair transplant forum just recently
» about Acell.

Hi everyone, I am new. I know for sure doc Patrick Mwamba was using Acell with F.U.E.

p.s. sorry for my english


#5

» Spoke with Manning, the Acell rep, and learned that Dr. Jones was trying to
» see if the wound would heal under the worst case scenario conditions.
» Manning admitted that the wound should have been kept moist and under a
» bandaged for several weeks and that acell should have been reapplied
» several times. I suppose Dr. Jones deviated from Acell’s suggestions to see
» whether or not he could use acell on patients who are not able to return to
» him for frequent visits.
»
» Manning also said that there are several docs using acell but that he is
» not at liberty to reveal who they are at this time.

From what I understand, the wound is not supposed to form a scab either. I also feel that this experiment was not done under the best conditions but didn’t want to post this earlier because I don’t want to be accused of making “excuses” for Acell. I’m pretty sure Dr. Jones is going to test on other patients also…I hope this time the sheets will be reapplied more often.

I do know that other docs are also trying it. Dr. Mwamba is one of them. I did correspond with Dr. Cole’s office (via e-mail) about Acell, but they didn’t confirm whether they would try it or not. This was a while ago.

I know that a doc in NY is trying it also.

There are a couple more docs that I know are experimenting with it but seem to be seceretive about it, so I won’t mention their names (although I already have in the past).

At this point, I’m somewhat disappointed in the results, but I’m hoping that the ultimate outcome changes my opinion. I’m also hoping (if mistakes were made in this trial), they are corrected with a better outcome.

Take Care,
Bill


#6

» Spoke with Manning, the Acell rep, and learned that Dr. Jones was trying to
» see if the wound would heal under the worst case scenario conditions.
» Manning admitted that the wound should have been kept moist and under a
» bandaged for several weeks and that acell should have been reapplied
» several times. I suppose Dr. Jones deviated from Acell’s suggestions to see
» whether or not he could use acell on patients who are not able to return to
» him for frequent visits.
»
» Manning also said that there are several docs using acell but that he is
» not at liberty to reveal who they are at this time.

it sounds like bull**it to me


#7

»
» From what I understand, the wound is not supposed to form a scab either.
» I also feel that this experiment was not done under the best conditions but
» didn’t want to post this earlier because I don’t want to be accused of
» making “excuses” for Acell…

Agreed Bill, I wasn’t too keen on how Dr Jones was carrying out the experiment but because I’m no medical expert I figured he knew what he was doing and stayed quiet. Now its clear he wasn’t follow Acell’s protocol to the letter. I had a feel a scar shouldn’t have formed.

Also I believe that Acell powder would do a much better job than sheets because they can fit into any little crevice and space. The power/sheets basically provide a scaffolding which allows stem cells to migrate and propagate within the new region.

I may be a layperson (in this field) but even I can see that some common sense is needed in carrying out these experiments. Its great to hear however more doctors are trying it. One of them might stumble onto a viable treatment. Well at least we’ll have some interesting news to look forward to this year. Best of luck to us all. :slight_smile:


#8

» Thanks, why the secrecy with other doctors, I think Dr. Cole may be one of
» them, since his people posted in the hair transplant forum just recently
» about Acell.

Manning said that the reason they are keeping the list of physicians and their results hush hush is because each of them is trying different methods of application to determine which ones provide the best results. They don’t want to dismay anyone based on any one ineffective protocol. Some physicians are applying the ECM scaffold first then acell on top. Others are applying acell first, then the scaffold, then more acell. Rodney Bosley, the VP from Acell who was instructing Jones wanted him to keep the wound bandaged and moist but apparently Jones hoped that the scab would be sufficient to keep the wound moist. In any event, Manning said that they hoped to have photos from other physician on their site soon. This most likely means Spring but hopefully sooner rather than later.


#9

Bill (WIlly), since I don’t want to bother Manning again as I just called him, could you kindly ask him next time you speak with him when Acell expects to post photos from other physicians and who might these docs be?


#10

[…]and that acell should have been reapplied
» several times. […]

HAH! that’s exactly what i said. I can remember someone saying that this would be nonsense


#11

» Spoke with Manning, the Acell rep, and learned that Dr. Jones was trying to
» see if the wound would heal under the worst case scenario conditions.
» Manning admitted that the wound should have been kept moist and under a
» bandaged for several weeks and that acell should have been reapplied
» several times. I suppose Dr. Jones deviated from Acell’s suggestions to see
» whether or not he could use acell on patients who are not able to return to
» him for frequent visits.
»
» Manning also said that there are several docs using acell but that he is
» not at liberty to reveal who they are at this time.

Dr. Jones already alluded to this when he first posted the pictures, saying something like if this first attempt at using Acell doesn’t grow hair, there’s other ways to use Acell to try next, so be patient.


#12

» Bill (WIlly), since I don’t want to bother Manning again as I just called
» him, could you kindly ask him next time you speak with him when Acell
» expects to post photos from other physicians and who might these docs be?

I’m not going to call him for a week or so. It seems that several people have called him recently and I don’t want to start to annoy him. I’ll try to remember to ask him that. I’ll post a thread asking for any questions people want answered before I call him.


#13

»
» From what I understand, the wound is not supposed to form a scab either.
» I also feel that this experiment was not done under the best conditions but
» didn’t want to post this earlier because I don’t want to be accused of
» making “excuses” for Acell. I’m pretty sure Dr. Jones is going to test on
» other patients also…I hope this time the sheets will be reapplied more
» often.
»
» I do know that other docs are also trying it. Dr. Mwamba is one of them.
» I did correspond with Dr. Cole’s office (via e-mail) about Acell, but they
» didn’t confirm whether they would try it or not. This was a while ago.
»
» I know that a doc in NY is trying it also.
»
» There are a couple more docs that I know are experimenting with it but
» seem to be seceretive about it, so I won’t mention their names (although I
» already have in the past).
»
» At this point, I’m somewhat disappointed in the results, but I’m hoping
» that the ultimate outcome changes my opinion. I’m also hoping (if mistakes
» were made in this trial), they are corrected with a better outcome.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill

Willy, I’m in the NY area and considering getting an HT this year. Would you be willing to give me the NY dr’s name who is trying out Acell? I would definitely consider experimenting with Acell if I were to get an HT.


#14

» »
» » From what I understand, the wound is not supposed to form a scab either.
»
» » I also feel that this experiment was not done under the best conditions
» but
» » didn’t want to post this earlier because I don’t want to be accused of
» » making “excuses” for Acell. I’m pretty sure Dr. Jones is going to test
» on
» » other patients also…I hope this time the sheets will be reapplied
» more
» » often.
» »
» » I do know that other docs are also trying it. Dr. Mwamba is one of
» them.
» » I did correspond with Dr. Cole’s office (via e-mail) about Acell, but
» they
» » didn’t confirm whether they would try it or not. This was a while ago.
» »
» » I know that a doc in NY is trying it also.
» »
» » There are a couple more docs that I know are experimenting with it but
» » seem to be seceretive about it, so I won’t mention their names (although
» I
» » already have in the past).
» »
» » At this point, I’m somewhat disappointed in the results, but I’m hoping
» » that the ultimate outcome changes my opinion. I’m also hoping (if
» mistakes
» » were made in this trial), they are corrected with a better outcome.
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Bill
»
» Willy, I’m in the NY area and considering getting an HT this year. Would
» you be willing to give me the NY dr’s name who is trying out Acell? I
» would definitely consider experimenting with Acell if I were to get an HT.

I’m not sure. I think it was something like Dr. Hitzgee (not sure of spelling). I will mention this to Acell when I call and try to confirm the name and spelling.


#15

» » Thanks, why the secrecy with other doctors, I think Dr. Cole may be one
» of
» » them, since his people posted in the hair transplant forum just
» recently
» » about Acell.
»
» Hi everyone, I am new. I know for sure doc Patrick Mwamba was using Acell
» with F.U.E.
»
» p.s. sorry for my english

I think Dr. Mwamba works for Dr. Cole or is affiliated with Dr. Cole somehow, maybe Dr. Cole is experimenting with Acell too. Yeah, what’s the worst that could happen if these doctors come clean about their Acell experiment? I don’t understand the secrecy.


#16

» Dr. Jones already alluded to this when he first posted the pictures,
» saying something like if this first attempt at using Acell doesn’t grow
» hair, there’s other ways to use Acell to try next, so be patient.

‘other ways to use acell’

There is one way to use acell and thats by re-applying patches just like their instructions say you should! Credit to Jones for trying it but why he didnt just follow the instructions to start with i dont know! Surely the patient could have gone somewhere else to have the patches re-applied or better still why not pick a patient who lived locally?
Its still early for this one yet and lets hope he tries this again!


#17

» »
» » Willy, I’m in the NY area and considering getting an HT this year.
» Would
» » you be willing to give me the NY dr’s name who is trying out Acell? I
» » would definitely consider experimenting with Acell if I were to get an
» HT.
»
» I’m not sure. I think it was something like Dr. Hitzgee (not sure of
» spelling). I will mention this to Acell when I call and try to confirm the
» name and spelling.

I spoke to this NY doctor and he is a cosmetic surgeon not a HT doc. Apparently, according to his assistant / receptionist, he only used acell on one patient and that was to revise a scar on someone’s forehead.


#18

» Yeah, what’s the
» worst that could happen if these doctors come clean about their Acell
» experiment? I don’t understand the secrecy.

They’re are still experimenting and they don’t want to provide results that are less than optimal if the procedure can be perfected in a relatively short time period.


#19

» They’re are still experimenting and they don’t want to provide results
» that are less than optimal if the procedure can be perfected in a
» relatively short time period.

Correct. They don’t want. So guess why …


#20

Dr. Jones and every other HT doc has a HUGE motivation not to obsolete themselves by proving that Acell works easily and well to regrow new hair w/o transplantation.

The importance of this cannot be overstated IMHO. Even the docs that don’t lie to us are still liable to tilt the details of their experiments away from proving their profession obsolete (if such capability exists).