Dr Jake Deutsch on Fox News discussing possible cure for baldness

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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» Once they can figure out the right chemical signals to turn on appropriate
» stem cells, that would be the cure.

Correct, that is the point. And ACell’s ECM ‘provokes’ cells to do this and no other ECM on the market is doing this. But the “problem” is, that until today researchers do not exactly know, WHY ACell is doing this (the scientific reason/explanation for this behaviour is unclear).

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» Correct, that is the point. And ACell’s ECM ‘provokes’ cells to do this and
» no other ECM on the market is doing this. But the “problem” is, that until
» today researchers do not exactly know, WHY ACell is doing this (the
» scientific reason/explanation for this behaviour is unclear).

We still have not seen any evidence of a NW7 guy turning into NW2.

The day we see pictures of 4 or 5 guys who went from that to that, we will know the cure has arrived. Till then it all feels like pie in the sky.

Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.

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» Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.

I’ve no idea how far you’re or someone else is away. I, for myself, I’m -2 years away from the “cure”:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-76587-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

That’s all what I can tell/report. Sure, it might be possibel that someone is waiting for an extra-invitation from the pope in Rome or something like that. No idea what someone is expecting.

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» » Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.
»
» I’ve no idea how far you’re or someone else is away. I, for myself, I’m
» -2 years away from the “cure”:
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-76587-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» That’s all what I can tell/report. Sure, it might be possibel that someone
» is waiting for an extra-invitation from the pope in Rome or something like
» that. No idea what someone is expecting.

-2 years? so why are you still bald?

besides from that it is not my understanding that ACELL “is doing just that”… i do not believe ACELL is signaling stem cells to turn into progenitor cells… but it rather offers a scaffold for stem cells to grow upon (thus the name, ECM)… it’s therefore ideal to ensure greater healing and thereby success rates for plucked or transacted follicles.

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» » » Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.
» »
» » I’ve no idea how far you’re or someone else is away. I, for myself, I’m
» » -2 years away from the “cure”:
» »
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-76587-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
» »
» » That’s all what I can tell/report. Sure, it might be possibel that
» someone
» » is waiting for an extra-invitation from the pope in Rome or something
» like
» » that. No idea what someone is expecting.
»
» -2 years? so why are you still bald?
» ----------------------------------
» besides from that it is not my understanding that ACELL “is doing just
» that”… i do not believe ACELL is signaling stem cells to turn into
» progenitor cells… but it rather offers a scaffold for stem cells to grow
» upon (thus the name, ECM)… it’s therefore ideal to ensure greater healing
» and thereby success rates for plucked or transacted follicles.

Because there is always a BIG difference between
believing something and knowing something …

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» » » » Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.
» » »
» » » I’ve no idea how far you’re or someone else is away. I, for myself,
» I’m
» » » -2 years away from the “cure”:
» » »
» » »
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-76587-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
» » »
» » » That’s all what I can tell/report. Sure, it might be possibel that
» » someone
» » » is waiting for an extra-invitation from the pope in Rome or something
» » like
» » » that. No idea what someone is expecting.
» »
» » -2 years? so why are you still bald?
» » ----------------------------------
» » besides from that it is not my understanding
» that ACELL “is doing just
» » that”… i do not believe ACELL is
» signaling stem cells to turn into
» » progenitor cells… but it rather offers a scaffold for stem cells to
» grow
» » upon (thus the name, ECM)… it’s therefore ideal to ensure greater
» healing
» » and thereby success rates for plucked or transacted follicles.
»
» Because there is always a BIG difference between
» believing something and knowing
» something …
»
»

you claim to provide sources for all your information… where are the sources proving that ACELL does any kind of cell signaling…? Enlighten us with your vast knowledge…

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» Enlighten us with your vast knowledge…

Can’t find anywhere the MAGIC word …

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» » Enlighten us with your vast knowledge…
»
» Can’t find anywhere the MAGIC word …

PLEASE

now stop avoiding the question.

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»
»
» you claim to provide sources for all your information… where are the
» sources proving that ACELL does any kind of cell signaling…? Enlighten us
» with your vast knowledge…

http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/steven_badylak__poptech_2008

Dr. Stephen Badylak (-12:30): “ECM … holds all your cells in your body together (ECM = framework outside the cells) … ECM … it’s an information highway between the different cells … it tells cells ‘you should go over here’ – ‘you should go over there’ – ‘you should divide’ – ‘you should differentiate’ – ‘you should …“

DEMO (application example)

REALITY (example)

The example above (heart) just shows, that it doesn’t matter for ACell WHICH TYPE of tissue/organ/limp is to heal …

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» The example above (heart) just shows, that it doesn’t matter for ACell
» WHICH TYPE of tissue/organ/limp is to heal …

I’ve seen heart cells being cultured outside the body. But so far science has not figured out how to clone a heart (without cloning the entire organism that is).

Hair follicle is analogous to a heart (an organ) not heart cells. Unless there is clear proof that a follicle can be cloned outside the body where 1 hair turns into 2 and 2 into 4…etc, I’m doubtful of any claims of a breakthrough.

Secondly the heart is ‘alive’ (or you’d be dead). After years of dormancy, is a bald follicle still alive? Does it even have a blood vessels supplying it? I’ve never seen in any medical literature where a NW7 bald man turned into a NW2 regardless of what freak accident occured. There have been cases where people actually grew taller after some area of their gland/brains got traumatized during an accident. But I’ve NEVER read of anyone who got his hair back whether their head was burnt, lacerated, frozen…etc. It suggest to me that the follicle is dead.

I’m hoping for a cure but I think its more like 20 years off rather than 2 especially with the Gho type foot dragging that goes on in reaserch.

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Actually Dr. Hitzig says that Acells helps convert stem cells into progenitor cells.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-74746.html

» » » Are we 5 years away from the cure or 25. That’s the question.
» »
» » I’ve no idea how far you’re or someone else is away. I, for myself, I’m
» » -2 years away from the “cure”:
» »
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-76587-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
» »
» » That’s all what I can tell/report. Sure, it might be possibel that
» someone
» » is waiting for an extra-invitation from the pope in Rome or something
» like
» » that. No idea what someone is expecting.
»
» -2 years? so why are you still bald?
»
» besides from that it is not my understanding that ACELL “is doing just
» that”… i do not believe ACELL is signaling stem cells to turn into
» progenitor cells… but it rather offers a scaffold for stem cells to grow
» upon (thus the name, ECM)… it’s therefore ideal to ensure greater healing
» and thereby success rates for plucked or transacted follicles.

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» » The example above (heart) just shows, that it doesn’t matter for ACell
» » WHICH TYPE of tissue/organ/limp is to heal …
»
» I’ve seen heart cells being cultured outside the body. But so far science
» has not figured out how to clone a heart (without cloning the entire
» organism that is).

Really?

Hey man, since 10 years there’re people among us with in labs grown organs inside them.

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» Hey man, since 10 years there’re people among us with in labs grown
» organs inside them.

Its just a scaffold, not a real organ.

I’ve already seen pulsating heart cells grown in a vat. Even cartilage like part of a nose or ear.

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» » Hey man, since 10 years there’re people among us with in labs grown
» » organs inside them.
»
» Its just a scaffold, not a real organ.

You’re right. It just consits of bubble gums, cookies and cotton candy.

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Pulsating heart muscle cells are not difficult to replicate in vitro. Its yesterday’s technology and I’ve known about it for 5 years at least if not more.

Show me where in vitro has one hair been turned into a “farm” of 50 hairs? If its never happened in vitro and there is no picture evidence of it, how can anyone believe the cure is just 5 years away.

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» Pulsating heart muscle cells are not difficult to replicate in vitro. Its
» yesterday’s technology and I’ve known about it for 5 years at least if not
» more.

And I know that you know absolutely nothing at all. But I’m not absolutely sure whether or not you’re THE dumbest guy in this forum.

» Show me where …

Show me where? Do you think I’m the robotic ‘show-master’ for kids here or what?

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»
» » Show me where …
»
» Show me where? Do you think I’m the robotic ‘show-master’ for kids here or
» what?

There is no photographic evidence of one hair turning into 50 in vitro is there.

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» »
» » » Show me where …
» »
» » Show me where? Do you think I’m the robotic ‘show-master’ for kids here
» or
» » what?
»
» There is no photographic evidence of one hair turning into 50 in vitro is
» there.

Really?

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» » Pulsating heart muscle cells are not difficult to replicate in vitro.
» Its
» » yesterday’s technology and I’ve known about it
» for 5 years at least if not
» » more.
»
» And I know that you know absolutely nothing at all. But I’m not absolutely
» sure whether or not you’re THE dumbest guy in this forum.
»
» » Show me where …
»
» Show me where? Do you think I’m the robotic ‘show-master’ for kids here or
» what?

dude honestly nobody has cloned an organ yet . Stop your BS we have the news over hyping everything we dont need you as well!

Look at this article for example

Pig hearts soon, cloned hearts later

Most people have no objection to using pigs - they are used for food already. We also use many tissues from pigs including heart valves and skin grafts already, so using an entire organ such as the heart to save a life should not raise any new ethical debate.

[ image: Pig organs may only be the medium term solution]
Pig organs may only be the medium term solution
Pigs are favoured by scientists because they have many similarities to humans. Their hearts are about the same size as ours with similar plumbing and power output. What is more, they would require only a minor bit of genetic engineering to be compatible with our immune systems.

The scientists at the Roslin Institute who created Dolly are using this expertise to develop pig clones suitable for transplants. So expect the first pig hearts to be transplanted into humans in just a few years.

But it may be a short-lived phase. The days when we crudely transplant a heart from a human or a pig may be numbered. The real breakthrough may come from cloning and tissue engineering research.

Why bother with adapting the cells and organs of other species when there is the possibility of manipulating human cells to do the same thing far more efficiently.

If you are unfortunate to have a diseased heart, what could be better than growing a new one out of your own cells? There would be no compatibility problems and surely no ethical ones.

This may be possible, or rather, will be possible in perhaps a decade. Across the world, many scientists are working to achieve this goal. A team from the University of Toronto has said it wants to create a tissue-engineered heart suitable for transplant within 10 years.

And a team of scientists from Boston, US, are developing a technique where you could grow a new organ actually inside your own body.

This will happen long before we clone a human being. We should not let ethical objections to cloning a human stop important research that would lead to such benefits.

that was in bbc news in 1999! Its 2011 i bet if you were here back then you would bust our balls with all these breakthroughs that are closer than we think lol

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» that was in bbc news in 1999! Its 2011 i bet if you were here back then you
» would bust our balls with all these breakthroughs that are closer than we
» think lol

Does that mean that you’re here since about 10 years and that you’re as dumb today as in 1999? All in all, does that mean that you were here 10 years FOR NOTHING?

Oh well, live must be hard for you … :expressionless: