Dr. Gho & cover girl Bridget Maasland

» @rev, are you a BLONDE too, in regard Dr. Gho’s technique named “Partial
» Longitudinal Follicular Unit Transplantation (PL-FUT)” ? :expressionless:

BTW - Please explain me the difference between a FUE, FIT, CIT, FUI, FOX and FU** procedure …

Patients don’t need scientific proof at all.

Just post some NW6-NW7 cases that have had a full hair restoration using virtually unlimited donor resources. No magic asked, no endless waiting for scientific papers to publish stuff that most of us can not read or understand.

It just takes a digital camera and some good video of before and after, going from zero to hero. This is not much to ask for is it???

» Patients don’t need scientific proof at all.
»
» Just post some NW6-NW7 cases that have had a full hair restoration using
» virtually unlimited donor resources. No magic asked, no endless waiting for
» scientific papers to publish stuff that most of us can not read or
» understand.
»
» It just takes a digital camera and some good video of before and after,
» going from zero to hero. This is not much to ask for is it???

HT-Spammers like you who spams in each and every hair loss board out there his crap pics and videos seems to need digital cameras and “good videos” - right?

This sucker even spams all the time in an Dr. Gho thread in an Dutch hair loss board …

… because it’s the most discussed topic in the Netherlands.

» » Patients don’t need scientific proof at all.
» »
» » Just post some NW6-NW7 cases that have had a full hair restoration
» using
» » virtually unlimited donor resources. No magic asked, no endless waiting
» for
» » scientific papers to publish stuff that most of us can not read or
» » understand.
» »
» » It just takes a digital camera and some good video of before and after,
» » going from zero to hero. This is not much to ask for is it???
»
» HT-Spammers like you who spams in each and every hair loss board out there
» his crap pics and videos seems to need digital cameras and “good videos” -
» right?
»
» This sucker even spams all the time in an Dr. Gho thread in an Dutch hair
» loss board …
» Haarweb Forum - Los bericht bekijken - [kliniek] Coen Gho's Hair Science Institute in Amsterdam
»
» … because it’s the most discussed topic in the Netherlands.

Spammer or not, he makes a valid point.
Talk is cheap; let’s see some pics.

» » » Patients don’t need scientific proof at all.
» » »
» » » Just post some NW6-NW7 cases that have had a full hair restoration
» » using
» » » virtually unlimited donor resources. No magic asked, no endless
» waiting
» » for
» » » scientific papers to publish stuff that most of us can not read or
» » » understand.
» » »
» » » It just takes a digital camera and some good video of before and
» after,
» » » going from zero to hero. This is not much to ask for is it???
» »
» » HT-Spammers like you who spams in each and every hair loss board out
» there
» » his crap pics and videos seems to need digital cameras and “good videos”
» -
» » right?
» »
» » This sucker even spams all the time in an Dr. Gho thread in an Dutch
» hair
» » loss board …
» » Haarweb Forum - Los bericht bekijken - [kliniek] Coen Gho's Hair Science Institute in Amsterdam
» »
» » … because it’s the most discussed topic in the Netherlands.
»
» Spammer or not, he makes a valid point.
» Talk is cheap; let’s see some pics.

Pics?

Welcome to the real world …

Pics don’t mean anything! Most “good HT pics & videos” out there are just fakes. Even Dr. Gho (HSI) would publish any “good pics” most suckers would just claim “it’s fake”. If you like to see “real good pics” you have to go to the Hair Transplantation forum. There you’ll find lot’s of “good illusions” …

BTW - What can YOU see?

Seeing is believing my friend, spammer or not.

I state that from all the real live patients I have seen to date FUT, FUE or HM, no NW6 has come close to full hair restoration, it is just all about the illusion

So bring on the fully restored NW6 guy with high density EVERYWHERE

Now if I was bragging about how good my new technology is I would call in the worldwide press and present them with 5-10 NW6 cases that I completely restored to norwood 0 with high density in ALL area.

That would catch my attention fur sure.

So where are these patients ??? Are they camera shy, or more likely there is not a single patient that can show a full donor AND a full head of restored hair!!!

I am calling you out Iron man, discuss this with your real name, dont hide behind some avatar, show who you are working for.

» So where are these patients ??? Are they camera shy, or more likely there
» is not a single patient that can show a full donor AND a full head of
» restored hair!!!

HT clinics use doctored photos and lighting (as you say an illusion of a good result) or simply fail to show all but the best cases. Photos are worthless as they don’t represent reality. By contrast, researchers use peer-reviewed studies as opposed to hyped HT photos.

Years ago I posted an independent research study proving donor regrowth. I’m surprised you HT clinics won’t come up to speed and at least attempt to reproduce the result. Heck, I would fly over there and show you how to do it. But you really don’t need my help. Just tag some follicles and remove exactly the upper 2/3rds and record the percentage regrowth. You don’t need fancy tools or knowledge, and it won’t cost you anything but a few hours of your time.

It is not difficult to get donor regrowth. The difficult part is getting the transected recipient follicle to regrow. For that, you need specialized knowledge in stem cell culturing.

Read this article:

If you are wondering why you can get a greater than 1:1 yield in some cases, it’s because of stem cells being activated into a wound signaling environment enriched with stem cell culture medium. This can result in pili multigemini.

The greater question is, how much would you as a clinic be willing to pay if this technique were proven to work, and your staff was trained in the technique and provided the necessary specialty medium? Would you be willing to pay a percentage of each HT you used the technique on?

Or do you suppose most clinics would, after a period of time, attempt to rip it off and avoid the licensing fee?

Oh yeah, about those photos you requested:

Before
http://www.newsflash2000.nl/images/2009-11/gerard_joling_kaal.jpg

After
http://www.tomlempers.com/images/photos/gerard_joling_bonnie_stclaire_and_tom_lempers.gif

You, James Bond, have posted 2 photos of Gerard Joling, somehow trying to fool people into thinking that a totally bald man was converted into a full head of hair.


But note:
-In the first photo, Joling is shaved, so you can’t tell the extent of his baldness.
-Joling got several strip HTs in the past, so his current hair is in part thanks to those HTs.
-Joling promotes every treatment he gets. In the past, he used laser, and he was very happy, telling everyone about it, and advertising the clinic everywhere. Probably, Joling gets free treatments in exchange for the advertising. So I don’t think Joling opinion is neutral.

Here are additional photos needed to get “the full picture”.




» You, James Bond, have posted 2 photos of Gerard Joling, somehow trying to
» fool people into thinking that a totally bald man was converted into a full
» head of hair.

LOL! It’s an obvious joke. You took every single photo from an earlier link I posted. Am I supposed to be impressed that you reposted my links and somehow exposed information I am hiding? I’m the one who posted those photos!

Bverotti is very familiar with the case I posted, so there is no way I could have fooled him on any of it. In fact, he is much more familiar with this particular case than I am. I think it’s funny he challenged people to post photos of a totally bald guy who got a full head of hair from HM. I replied that photos can be deceiving and then posted some deceiving photos to prove my point. That’s funny. :slight_smile:

The point is, photos are worthless. Peer-reviewed scientific studies are the only thing that matters. Gho is one of the few HT shops who uses scientific studies to back up his claims. Most everybody else posts deceiving photos.

BTW, instead of just copying my links, if you had done an internet search, you could have posted the real before pictures. Gho’s work on Jolings is far better than any photos of his patients on his website. It’s an impressive HT, yet he doesn’t bother bragging on it on his website in an attempt to draw in more customers like every other HT clinic in the world would do with such a great outcome on a nationally famous person such as this.

okay, I took these photos from haarweb, and I knew that you had linked to some of them before. Now I see that you, in fact, had linked to all of them, here:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-64003.html

So, this time, the before-after comparison was a joke? Alright, no problem, but 90% of readers here are not able to follow all the drama and understand these jokes and sarcasm.

» BTW, instead of just copying my links, if you had done an internet search,
» you could have posted the real before pictures. Gho’s work on Jolings is
» far better than any photos of his patients on his website. It’s an
» impressive HT, yet he doesn’t bother bragging on it on his website in an
» attempt to draw in more customers like every other HT clinic in the world
» would do with such a great outcome on a nationally famous person such as
» this.

In fact, I did an internet search for Joling’s “before” images, but he looked like he was wearing a toupee, so I didn’t post them.
Dr. Gho is featuring Joling and Maasland at his website, in the “nieuws” section. And Joling is talking about Gho in all TV channels. That is why 9 Belgian and Dutch HT clinics got infuriated and decided to publish that “manifesto” against Gho.

» Bverotti is very familiar with the case I posted, so there is no way I
» could have fooled him on any of it. In fact, he is much more familiar with
» this particular case than I am. I think it’s funny he challenged people to
» post photos of a totally bald guy who got a full head of hair from HM. I
» replied that photos can be deceiving and then posted some deceiving photos
» to prove my point. That’s funny. :slight_smile:
»
» The point is, photos are worthless. Peer-reviewed scientific studies are
» the only thing that matters. Gho is one of the few HT shops who uses
» scientific studies to back up his claims. Most everybody else posts
» deceiving photos.
»

Question,
Why do people that are nw6 or nw7 not accepted as a candidates?
All they want is a full hair of head and ‘normal’ HT clinics can obviously not provide this result.

I am eager to find out why virtually bald people that would benefit most of this ‘technique’ are send home?

nw6-nw7 patients are rejected by Gho?
Is this true?
what kind of excuse Gho gives to these patients?

» Question,
» Why do people that are nw6 or nw7 not accepted as a candidates?
» All they want is a full hair of head and ‘normal’ HT clinics can obviously
» not provide this result.
»
» I am eager to find out why virtually bald people that would benefit most
» of this ‘technique’ are send home?

posted by bverotti Homepage E-mail, Belgium, 24.03.2008, 08:35

We treated an ex Gho patient last week.
First let me say that this guy is a a nw6 and received 1600 grafts. Dont ask me why they advised 1600 grafts, we all know that it is a drop in the ocean for a nw6.

This patient had been treated early last year, so the ‘new’ technique had been used.
We examined the donor area and concluded that no regrowth can be detected in the donor area, just tiny patches of white dots where no hair is growing, just like regular FUE.

I am sorry to report that we could not find ANY evidence of HM, cloning or any other kind of hair multiplication.
<<<<

» nw6-nw7 patients are rejected by Gho?
» Is this true?
» what kind of excuse Gho gives to these patients?

Hmmm, because of that?

» By the way #2:
» -----------------------
» Hair Stem Cell Injection
» The Hair Stem Cell Transplant is the result of continuous research by HSI.
» One of the next steps will be Hair Stem Cell Injection (HaarStamcel
» Injectie®
), not a new transplant method but a quantum leap forward with
» HST. This injection method has achieved very satisfactory results in
» practice. Thanks in part to the quality of the results, this method can be
» expected to be officially launched in the near future.
»
» The difference
» Up to the removal of the hair stem cells to be transplanted, the technique
» is the same as HST. The major difference lies in the method of
» implantation. With HST, the stem cells are “planted” in tiny holes made in
» the restoration area with a needle. The holes fill with a droplet of blood,
» which ultimately leads to sealing and healing of the wound. With Hair Stem
» Cell Injection, the stem cells are injected directly into the skin without
» prepared holes. This means the following advantages:
»
» · Higher density: now the hair stem cells can be implanted even
» more closely together. With HST, the implantation spacing is 0.2-0.3 mm,
» while with injection the spacing is 0-0.1 mm.
»
» · Faster healing: with HST, healing was already fast (1 to 2 days);
» with the injection method, there is essentially no recovery time in the
» restoration area because there are no wounds.
»
» · Even greater precision: Thanks to the refinement of the injection
» method, the precision of the method is unsurpassed.
»
» · Ideal for burn wounds: scar tissue from burn wounds has poor
» blood circulation. But the injection method does not require blood for
» healing, simply because there are essentially no wounds to require
» healing.
» ----------------

because of that? what do you mean Iron_Man?

why Gho rejects nw6-nw7 patients? because they have too little donor?

» » nw6-nw7 patients are rejected by Gho?
» » Is this true?
» » what kind of excuse Gho gives to these patients?
»
» Hmmm, because of that?
»
» » By the way #2:
» » -----------------------
» » Hair Stem Cell Injection
» » The Hair Stem Cell Transplant is the result of continuous research by
» HSI.
» » One of the next steps will be Hair Stem Cell Injection (HaarStamcel
» » Injectie®
), not a new transplant method but a quantum leap forward
» with
» » HST. This injection method has achieved very satisfactory results in
» » practice. Thanks in part to the quality of the results, this method can
» be
» » expected to be officially launched in the near future.
» »
» » The difference
» » Up to the removal of the hair stem cells to be transplanted, the
» technique
» » is the same as HST. The major difference lies in the method of
» » implantation. With HST, the stem cells are “planted” in tiny holes made
» in
» » the restoration area with a needle. The holes fill with a droplet of
» blood,
» » which ultimately leads to sealing and healing of the wound. With Hair
» Stem
» » Cell Injection, the stem cells are injected directly into the skin
» without
» » prepared holes. This means the following advantages:
» »
» » · Higher density: now the hair stem cells can be implanted even
» » more closely together. With HST, the implantation spacing is 0.2-0.3
» mm,
» » while with injection the spacing is 0-0.1 mm.
» »
» » · Faster healing: with HST, healing was already fast (1 to 2
» days);
» » with the injection method, there is essentially no recovery time in the
» » restoration area because there are no wounds.
» »
» » · Even greater precision: Thanks to the refinement of the
» injection
» » method, the precision of the method is unsurpassed.
» »
» » · Ideal for burn wounds: scar tissue from burn wounds has poor
» » blood circulation. But the injection method does not require blood for
» » healing, simply because there are essentially no wounds to require
» » healing.
» » ----------------

» because of that? what do you mean Iron_Man?
»
» why Gho rejects nw6-nw7 patients? because they have too little donor?
»
» » » nw6-nw7 patients are rejected by Gho?
» » » Is this true?
» » » what kind of excuse Gho gives to these patients?

No, because it actually makes “no sense” for such high (virgin) NW’s candidates – I know that sounds crazy, but if you KNOW how - in fact - this kind of “HM” works, you will realize the reason …

I sometimes really wonder why guys like you or bverotti always are asking the same stupid question:

“If what Dr Gho says is true then he should be able to produce at least ONE fully documented case of a NW6 going to a NW0/1 …”

Simple answer: IMPOSSIBLE!!

Reason(s):
A NW5/6 or NW7 candidate, how many “grafts” (FU’s) such a candidate needs for a “FULL head of hair” again?

For example:

20,000 grafts?? And you still can see the patients crown if you look very closely?

That means, such high NW’s candidates need a huge amount of grafts for a full and dense scalp covering – right?

Dr. Gho actually slightly started to sell (experimentally small procedures) his NEW HM technique in 2006/2007, and actually (finally) made this procedure commercially available in 2008:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-64887-page-1-category-1-order-last_answer.html

And now the real “big question”:
How many HST-grafts per day Dr. Gho is able to perform?

As far as I know, he actually slightly increased the amount of grafts per day during the past 2 years, and TODAY he claims at his website that TODAY he is able to perform about max. 1600 to 2000 grafts PER DAY.

So do the math …

Even in 2008 e.g. a NW6 candidate got about 4000 grafts (within 2 days or so), EVERY Dr. Gho-PATIENT HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 12 MONTH FOR EVERY FURTHER PROCEDURES, because the donor area must at first FULLY REGENERATE again!

2009: One year later, the same NW6 candidate got the same max. procedure with about 4000 grafts. Now we have about 8000 grafts in sum. ENOUGH? Maybe, but mostly NO, as shown above!

That means, a NW6/7 candidate to NW0/1 candidate would need at least some YEARS (~3 – 4) for a “full head of hair” with this kind of technique (Hairstemcell Transplantation® /HST/PL-FUT), besides highly costs (~5 EURO/graft).

So does this (clunky) kind of HM procedure makes sense for such high NW’s candidates, when there are some more advanced procedures in the pipeline in the coming years? NO!

BTW – Here you can find another (satisfied) patient by Dr. Gho, who started with this kind of HM in 2007:
Haarweb Forum - Los bericht bekijken - [kliniek] Coen Gho's Hair Science Institute in Amsterdam

2007 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 910 grafts
2008 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 760 grafts
2009 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 610 grafts
2010 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 600 - 650 grafts (per dec. a.s. ter verdichting)

So, Iron_Man, is it true, that Gho rejects NW6-NW7 patients?
You say that it makes no sense to treat these patients and give them a full head of hair?

I am going to prove you wrong (once again).

You say that Gho is able to move 2000 grafts in 1 day. Okay, so he needs just 10 days to move 20.000 grafts, and thus, turn a NW6–>NW1 transformation.

10 days of labour is not such a big cost. Gho just have to pay the nurses. The raw materials are pretty cheap (LOL, culture media, maybe).

The cost of 5€ per graft is not indicative. This doesn’t represent the brute cost of the procedure.

Get a NW6 patient with 10.000 grafts available in the donor area. You just need “2 passes” to harvest 20.000 grafts: 5 days+5days, separated by 1 year for donor regeneration.

In other words:

  1. Harvest ALL the donor, and plant the hairs in the bald zone.(this will take 5 days).
  2. Wait 1 year for regeneration.
  3. Harvest all the donor again and plant the hairs in the recipient(5 more days)!!
  4. Wait another year for the grafts to grow in the recipient site.
  5. How about it? What do you have? A brand new NW1 guy!!

Cost: LOW. The nurses wage, and little more.
Total labour time: 10 days.
Total timeframe: 2 years.

So, it is totally viable. IF GHO TECHNIQUE WORKS! (I doubt it).

» » because of that? what do you mean Iron_Man?
» »
» » why Gho rejects nw6-nw7 patients? because they have too little donor?
» »
» » » » nw6-nw7 patients are rejected by Gho?
» » » » Is this true?
» » » » what kind of excuse Gho gives to these patients?
»
» No, because it actually makes “no sense” for such high (virgin) NW’s
» candidates – I know that sounds crazy, but if you KNOW how - in fact - this
» kind of “HM” works, you will realize the reason …
»
» I sometimes really wonder why guys like you or bverotti always are asking
» the same stupid question:
»
» “If what Dr Gho says is true then he should be able to produce at least
» ONE fully documented case of a NW6 going to a NW0/1 …”

»
» Simple answer: IMPOSSIBLE!!
»
» Reason(s):
» A NW5/6 or NW7 candidate, how many “grafts” (FU’s) such a candidate needs
» for a “FULL head of hair” again?
»
» For example:
» http://www.youtube.com/user/DrSUmar#p/u/2/T0jSVB1ihAo
»
» 20,000 grafts?? And you still can see the patients crown if you look very
» closely?
»
» That means, such high NW’s candidates need a huge amount of grafts
» for a full and dense scalp covering – right?
»
» Dr. Gho actually slightly started to sell
» (experimentally small procedures) his NEW HM technique
» in 2006/2007, and actually (finally) made this procedure commercially
» available in 2008:
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-64887-page-1-category-1-order-last_answer.html
»
» And now the real “big question”:
» How many HST-grafts per day Dr. Gho is able to perform?
»
» As far as I know, he actually slightly increased the amount of grafts per
» day during the past 2 years, and TODAY he claims at his website that TODAY
» he is able to perform about max. 1600 to 2000 grafts PER DAY.
»
» So do the math …
»
» Even in 2008 e.g. a NW6 candidate got about 4000 grafts (within 2 days or
» so), EVERY Dr. Gho-PATIENT HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 12 MONTH FOR EVERY
» FURTHER PROCEDURES
, because the donor area must at first FULLY
» REGENERATE
again!
»
» 2009: One year later, the same NW6 candidate got the same max. procedure
» with about 4000 grafts. Now we have about 8000 grafts in sum. ENOUGH?
» Maybe, but mostly NO, as shown above!
»
» That means, a NW6/7 candidate to NW0/1 candidate would need at least some
» YEARS (~3 – 4) for a “full head of hair” with this kind of technique
» (Hairstemcell Transplantation® /HST/PL-FUT), besides highly costs (~5
» EURO/graft).
»
» So does this (clunky) kind of HM procedure makes sense for such high NW’s
» candidates, when there are some more advanced procedures in the pipeline in
» the coming years? NO!
»
» BTW – Here you can find another (satisfied) patient by Dr. Gho, who
» started with this kind of HM in 2007:
» Haarweb Forum - Los bericht bekijken - [kliniek] Coen Gho's Hair Science Institute in Amsterdam
» ---------------
» 2007 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 910 grafts
» 2008 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 760 grafts
» 2009 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 610 grafts
» 2010 Haarstamceltransplantatie [Coen Gho] 600 - 650 grafts (per dec. a.s.
» ter verdichting)
» ---------------

» I sometimes really wonder why guys like you or bverotti always are asking
» the same stupid question:

Hmmm, because they ARE stupid?
Does anybody here at HairSite need a proof for my claim? :smiley:

This guy is truly unbelievable s … :clap:

oh, very original, you are quoting yourself, and then you reply to yourself, apparently trying to validate your point. :smiley:

» » I sometimes really wonder why guys like you or bverotti always are
» asking
» » the same stupid question:
»
» Hmmm, because they ARE stupid?
» Does anybody here at HairSite need a proof for my claim? :smiley:
»
» This guy is truly unbelievable s … :clap:

Actually 8,000 grafts is pretty good for a NW6, that is what Jotronic has for his transformation,so I am unclear why NW6’s are out of the queston.

As for new procedures being just around the corner, well, we have been saying that for a looooong time - maybe, maybe not.

Doing a NW6 and ending up with a pristine donor at full density will get people really excited and believing in the process too.