Dr. Cooley and Dr. Hitzig reply to Dr. Coles recent Critcism

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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Excellent observation, Ahab.

Everybody here would do well to consider what Ahab wrote.

Ahab appears to be one of the only people here who are really thinking as opposed to just spewing out erratic and hasty assumptions.

» » Millions of women have been plucking facial hair again and
» » again and again for decades -
»
» One might as well conclude that pulling up crabgrass does not kill that
» crabgrass, because crab grass keeps growing on your lawn.
»
» It’s likely as women age, they sprout more and more facial hair.
»
» So as quick as repeated plucking might kill functioning
» follicles, additional dormant follicles would be waking up to grow hair for
» the first time.
»
» So there would be just as much hair as ever, and it would appear
» that plucking does not stop follicles from growing hair.
»
» Empirical, but sobering: “Other medical complications [of
» trichotillomania or compulsive hair pulling] include . . . permanent
» loss of hair”
»
» Link: Trichotillomania - Wikipedia
»
» .

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Extremely weak!! You didn’t disprove anything Ahab wrote, all you did was propose straw-man counterarguments.

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Its said but you are wrong hairman 2 is right here.

It is impossible to damage follicles by Plucking AND IF YOU WOULD HAVE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION THEY EVEN PUT ACELL ON DONOR AREAS

So stop trolling and stop puting out Wrong informations its getting old.

If read in a lot of hairloss boards lately and everytime someone come with thes " Plucking is bad and damages follicles" nonsense, nobody takes them serious.

Yeah right plucking damakges follices RIGHt, thats why girls have to shave/ wax pluck their leg hairs for the rest of their lifes.

Thats why a lot of us here have to pug nose hair or eyebrows.

Thats why we even have to wax the hairs on our backs all the time.

Ohhhh but i will be ilent now or otherwise roger_that ( paid off actor from some ht doc) will email the admin here again to silence people who speak the truth.

And concerning the people with this hairloss due to plcuking hairs themselve, they DAMAGE their head skin by persistently scratching it and pull it, thats the reason.

But compare this to tweezing.

Seriously this board here is becoming more and more stupid with people like roger_that who are obviously clueless but claim all the rights for themselves.

Time to switch to another board with people not falling for bullcrap like

“There have been no pics nor real scientific evaluations” Yeah right guys, that why Histogen hired some dermatologists

“Plucking will cause damage and destroys follicles” If this would be true, i would be a billionaire by now because i found the effective way for girls to get rid of their unwanted hairs.

" INSERT STUPID AND CHILDISH ARGUMENTS HERE" Its funny how grown up people let themselves getting mindfuc_ked by people like roger_that.

And before you go for it, just pay close attention TO ALL the informations Iron Man has provided in the past AND no just browse roger_thats postings…CASE CLOSED

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» Extremely weak!! You didn’t disprove anything Ahab wrote, all you did was
» propose straw-man counterarguments.

Ahh, Roger That, thank you for the above comprehensive and seering destruction of those 'straw-man counterarguments. I mean, if you’d simply written ‘Weak’, that’s one thing, but no, you hit him where the rubber hits the road, telling him straight out,'Extremely weak!!

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» Ahh, Roger That, thank you for the above comprehensive and seering
» destruction of those 'straw-man counterarguments. I mean, if you’d simply
» written ‘Weak’, that’s one thing, but no, you hit him where the rubber hits
» the road, telling him straight out,'Extremely weak!!

You were expecting me to say something more elaborate? I don’t really have time to make extensive comments on here, every time I read something I agree or disagree with. I have a life.

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You havent been busy for the last months so where are your promised news about HM?

We are still waiting

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» Excellent observation, Ahab.
»
» Everybody here would do well to consider what Ahab wrote.
»
» Ahab appears to be one of the only people here who are really thinking as
» opposed to just spewing out erratic and hasty assumptions.

Thank you, roger.

This idea that plucked hairs regrow is as old as the hills.

So old, I wonder if anyone ever bothered to scientifically test it, or whether scientists just assume it’s a proven fact, like the rest of us.

And why should anyone have thought much about whether plucking damages follicles, since until now no one has plucked hair that anyone has wanted to keep?

Now it’s different: we’re talking about plucking hair we want to keep.

We should err on he side of caution by not plucking hair from the same follicle more than once.This could be accomplished by using a different area of donor for each plucked hair session, just as is done with strip and the old plug transplants.

And remember, if cumulative damage from plucking does affect the ability of follicles to regrow hair, that effect may not be evident for many years–perhaps decades.

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Plucked hairs grow back. End of story. Even when they have white substance sticking to the plucked hairs.

You know even if the follicles would be damages (i highly doubt it) their ability to heal especially at really small damages would totally repair this follicle.

I dont know what you guys think in your mind, but NOBODY said something from plcuking 1000 hairs all the time to make a NW7 to a dense NW1.

They used terms like this to Show us THAT the hair grows back.

Waaaaa its getting ridicolous, it seems iam the only one responding to you trolls. Nobody else does.

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» We should err on he side of caution by not plucking hair from the same
» follicle more than once.

seriously… wtf…? work on your english buddy… you are hardly understandable.

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And remember, if cumulative damage from plucking does affect the ability of follicles to regrow hair, that effect may not be evident for many years–perhaps decades.

What ? You mean on my death bed my hair follicles might be in worse shape and people might notice - especially Mrs Bloggs (who has been waxing for decades)? Oh no, how embarrassing !!!

Talk about scaremongering…

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»
» And remember, if cumulative damage from plucking does affect the
» ability of follicles to regrow hair, that effect may not be evident for
» many years–perhaps decades.
» ---------------------------------------------
»
» What ? You mean on my death bed my hair follicles might be in worse shape
» and people might notice - especially Mrs Bloggs (who has been waxing for
» decades)? Oh no, how embarrassing !!!
»
» Talk about scaremongering…

Mrs boggs has been waxing areas that grows more hair with age.

I’m talking about an area that grows less hair with age: donor area of your scalp

Duh

Reminds me: when decades ago, HT doctors told me that hair transplants last for the rest of your life, I raised the question of the donor area thinning with age, and was scoffed at. Well, now HT surgeons are starting to admit donor hair can thin with age. I’m almost always right.

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I’m almost always right.

Yup, you are a legend in your own mind…

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» » ---------------------------------------------
» »
» » And remember, if cumulative damage from plucking does affect the
» » ability of follicles to regrow hair, that effect may not be evident for
» » many years–perhaps decades.
» » ---------------------------------------------
» »
» » What ? You mean on my death bed my hair follicles might be in worse
» shape
» » and people might notice - especially Mrs Bloggs (who has been waxing
» for
» » decades)? Oh no, how embarrassing !!!
» »
» » Talk about scaremongering…
»
» Mrs boggs has been waxing areas that grows more hair with age.
»
» I’m talking about an area that grows less hair with age: donor area of
» your scalp
»
» Duh
»
» Reminds me: when decades ago, HT doctors told me that hair transplants
» last for the rest of your life, I raised the question of the donor area
» thinning with age, and was scoffed at. Well, now HT surgeons are starting
» to admit donor hair can thin with age. I’m almost always right.

Amen! This is the best kept secret of an HT. They will never tell you this. FACT: THE DONOR THINS…PERIOD.

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»
» Amen! This is the best kept secret of an HT. They will never tell you
» this. FACT: THE DONOR THINS…PERIOD.===================================================

You think this is a secret ???

I think that for people with severe hair loss this was common knowledge nowadays for anybody that has done basic research - I would add that in my view (and personal experience) the core of the donor area tends to be very resistant to thinning even in people with very severe balding over decades. If Autocloning works then plucking the core of the donor area would appear to be the sensible way to proceed.

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» »
» » Amen! This is the best kept secret of an HT. They will never tell you
» » this. FACT: THE DONOR
» THINS…PERIOD.===================================================
»
» You think this is a secret ???
»
» I think that for people with severe hair loss this was common
» knowledge nowadays for anybody that has done basic research - I would add
» that in my view (and personal experience) the core of the donor area tends
» to be very resistant to thinning even in people with very severe balding
» over decades. If Autocloning works then plucking the core of
» the donor area would appear to be the sensible way to proceed.

I have a problem with that theory about the core of the donor area being very resistant to thinning. Lately I have been paying attention to older men’s hair loss pattern and i am shocked to see a lot of men are so bald that they could barely spare 200 grafts for a hair transplant, this makes me very nervous getting a hair transplant now because it appears that a lot of men can lose their hair way beyond a Norwood class 7.

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I have a problem with that theory about the core of the donor area being very resistant to thinning.

Very resistant doesn’t mean it cannot happen, if you go beyond NW7 then I agree, it seems to me that it is likely. I would disagree that this happens to “a lot” of men before the age of 70 - I am not even convinced that it happens to “a lot” of men between 70-80.

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» »
» » Amen! This is the best kept secret of an HT. They will never tell you
» » this. FACT: THE DONOR
» THINS…PERIOD.===================================================
»
» You think this is a secret ???
»
» I think that for people with severe hair loss this was common
» knowledge nowadays for anybody that has done basic research - I would add
» that in my view (and personal experience) the core of the donor area tends
» to be very resistant to thinning even in people with very severe balding
» over decades. If Autocloning works then plucking the core of
» the donor area would appear to be the sensible way to proceed.

I think it is a secret to the young naive 20 something yr old that is desperate to try anything… and believes what he wants to here.

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» » »
» » » Amen! This is the best kept secret of an HT. They will never tell you
» » » this. FACT: THE DONOR
» » THINS…PERIOD.===================================================
» »
» » You think this is a secret ???
» »
» » I think that for people with severe hair loss this was common
» » knowledge nowadays for anybody that has done basic research - I would
» add
» » that in my view (and personal experience) the core of the donor area
» tends
» » to be very resistant to thinning even in people with very severe
» balding
» » over decades. If Autocloning works then plucking the core
» of
» » the donor area would appear to be the sensible way to proceed.
»
» I have a problem with that theory about the core of the donor area being
» very resistant to thinning. Lately I have been paying attention to older
» men’s hair loss pattern and i am shocked to see a lot of men are so bald
» that they could barely spare 200 grafts for a hair transplant, this makes
» me very nervous getting a hair transplant now because it appears that a lot
» of men can lose their hair way beyond a Norwood class 7.

My own observations over more than sixty years has shown me that donor thinning by middle age may be much more common than supposed.

Thing is, if a man in his 40’s or 50’s hasn’t had transplants, then his donor may appear as full as ever.

But look at such men when their hair is wet as when swimming. Even when perspiring a lot–the thinning can be noticed around the edges.

But if he’s had transplants, any thinning by his 40s and 50’s would be fairly obvious in bright sunlight or when his hair is wet.

I had transplants when I was 24.

I am now in my early 60s.

I first noticed my donor area thinning in my 40’s.

And every year it got worse.

Got to the point where I had to wear my donor hair longer than I would like to, and to comb it carefully and spray in place (yuck) to try to cover the scars from the old punch grafts.

I will say that since taking anti-DHT drugs (propecia/proscar/Avodart) my donor area thickened up a lot at first, but with every year it thins a little more, and the hair grows more slowly even though I continue to take Avodart.