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Does higher testosterone leads to more hair loss?


#1

Don’t know if higher testosterone levels would help to contain hair loss or have negative effects? I’m going to buy a supplement to aid on work-outs/mucle recovery and it said it would increase testerone levels…any input on this? Just wanted to make sure I’m not taking something that would make me loose more hair!!!

Thanks!


#2

My understanding is that testosterone is converted into DHT which causes hairloss in suceptable follicles, so increasing your testosterone levels would likely increase hairloss, generally speaking.


#3

Testosterone is not the hormone that’s most directly related to hair loss though. DHT type #2 is.

Get higher free testosterone, and both your DHT and your estrogen levels would end up lowered in proportion to it. That’s actually good for hair. Partly because of the reduced DHT. And partly because your body could probably withstand more FURTHER suppression of DHT with Fin/Dut before the side effects became intolerable.


#4

» Testosterone is not the hormone that’s most directly related to hair loss
» though. DHT type #2 is.
»
» Get higher free testosterone, and both your DHT and your estrogen levels
» would end up lowered in proportion to it. That’s actually good for hair.
» Partly because of the reduced DHT. And partly because your body could
» probably withstand more FURTHER suppression of DHT with Fin/Dut before the
» side effects became intolerable.

Thanks Cal! So this supplement I’m taking increases my “free testosterone” and would actually decrease the side effects that fin would cause me? I did take propecia years ago but I stopped it b/c of the side effects…however, I’m seriously considering of taking it again and try to take something else to minimize the side effects…thanks again man for the input…


#5

Just remember, we’re not doctors. We’re just using logical thinking to arrive at a possible answer. So maybe increasing testosterone decreases DHT and estrogen, but maybe not. To be safe, I would say go for the testosterone, but be sure you are taking a powerful DHT inhibitor just in case.

» » Testosterone is not the hormone that’s most directly related to hair
» loss
» » though. DHT type #2 is.
» »
» » Get higher free testosterone, and both your DHT and your estrogen
» levels
» » would end up lowered in proportion to it. That’s actually good for
» hair.
» » Partly because of the reduced DHT. And partly because your body could
» » probably withstand more FURTHER suppression of DHT with Fin/Dut before
» the
» » side effects became intolerable.
»
» Thanks Cal! So this supplement I’m taking increases my “free testosterone”
» and would actually decrease the side effects that fin would cause me? I did
» take propecia years ago but I stopped it b/c of the side effects…however,
» I’m seriously considering of taking it again and try to take something else
» to minimize the side effects…thanks again man for the input…


#6

Artificially raising free test (like with roids) is not a slam-dunk hair gain. It’s not gonna do you any good if the excess Test gets converted to DHT and ends up attacking your hair follicles. That will just leave your hair worse off that before.

I’m saying that higher test IN PROPORTION TO YOUR LEVELS OF ESTROGENS AND DHT is usually an improvement. Or if you get artificially higher Test, and then you compensate for the DHT increase by blocking the excess DHT#2 with sufficient amounts of Finasteride.


#7

since we know that testosterone can bind direclty to the AR and trigger hairloss too, low testosterone AND low dht are both required to halt hairloss.

As a reference, Castrated men never go bald and they have 5% of the testosterone and about 30% of the DHT level of non-castrated men.


#8

Yeah, test has a negative effect on hair too. But proportionally DHT is much, much more detrimential to hair.

Hypothetically, decreasing DHT by XXX amount in exchange for increasing raw free Test by the same amount, that would be a very good bargain as far as hair is concerned.


#9

not sure if people are so interested in a bargain. If you want to stop hairloss you need to reduce both. period.

DHT has 4 to5 times the binding power of test, BUT if you have a lot of test and little DHT…the test will bind to the AR instead of the dht and results will not be guaranteed over time.

If you can stop both effects, the results WILL be guaranteed.
that’s why drugs such as RU58841 are so effective, they can block all type of androgens, including DHT type 1 which might also play a role.


#10

Well, the sexual side effects tend to drive up demand for a “bargain.”

The best bang-for-side-effects would be targeting the type#2 DHT while incurring the fewest collateral side effects on the other hormones.


#11

the best approach is to target the androgen receptors on the scalp only, and leave systemic DHT unchanged.

the best drugs are Ru58841 and fluridil because they have no side effects at all, only a local - topical effect.

the issue is cost. both drugs are expensive.
i spend $300 a month on RU and $120 on fluridil.

i have great hair and great libido. I am counting on the new drug developped by COSMO Pharma (Italy) to replace RU and be at least as effective, so that I won’t have to do that many years.

the cheapest solution to keep hair would be generic dut, and topical generic flutamide with generic cialis to counter the side effects.
that should be less than $50 a month. I used that regimnen in the past, but i prefer natural libido and the overall well-being feeling of having more DHT.
Too little DHT will diminish your concentration levels, make you brain fogged and less motivated and possibly more depressed.
That was my conclusion after being on those drugs.

We need DHT.


#12

I’m on the same page with you there.

Half the reason I want HM so badly is to get absolutely free of all the MPB pills & topicals we currently have.

I’ve got a transplantable loss situation right now, but I’m still trying to preserve dying hairs for a decent thick ultimate result. But if getting unlimited new hair becomes just a matter of spending enough money, then the huge incentive to preserve miniaturizing hairs at all costs is gone.


#13

I am not going to spend my best (=young) years waiting for HM or any miracle treatments that might or not come into reality.
I want my hair today.
RU58841 is the best drug we have available today.


#14

» I am not going to spend my best (=young) years waiting for HM or any
» miracle treatments that might or not come into reality.
» I want my hair today.
» RU58841 is the best drug we have available today.

Thanks Duterino…man just a few questions for you if you don’t mind…

The RU drug, where do you get it? Do I need a prescription from my doctor to get it? you say is the best, b/c of how good it is for the hair or b/c it has no side effects at all? I didn’t want to take fin or dut b/c of the bad sides, so hopefully RU can help me…

Where do you get the generic fluridil? I would like to use it also…you don’t use minox? I’m currently using rogaine foam but adding the fluridil would be a great completement…

Thank again for your posts and help to us…


#15

RU is sold for research only by a chinese lab, called faith eagle. so it is not openly “available” like fin or minox etc…but for the people that are really willing to get it, it can be done by wiring the money to them and having it shipped out of China to any country. cost is 30$ per gram and $110 flat rate for shipping.
shipping is reliable, and the powder is real but they have timings where they create batches, like every one or 2 months or so, so it might take some time to get is sometimes.
fluridil is a lot less effective than RU but easier to order and apply, and costs less. fluridil is good at stopping shedding/haircount reduction, but poor at increase of exisiting hair thickness. RU is good at both.
A combo of both might be good since they can work in synergy, fluridil inhibits androgen recpetors.
I don’t use minox because i dont need regrowth, just maintenence of existing hair. those anti-androgen will not grow new strands of hair.


#16

» RU is sold for research only by a chinese lab, called faith eagle. so it is
» not openly “available” like fin or minox etc…but for the people that are
» really willing to get it, it can be done by wiring the money to them and
» having it shipped out of China to any country. cost is 30$ per gram and
» $110 flat rate for shipping.
» shipping is reliable, and the powder is real but they have timings where
» they create batches, like every one or 2 months or so, so it might take
» some time to get is sometimes.
» fluridil is a lot less effective than RU but easier to order and apply,
» and costs less. fluridil is good at stopping shedding/haircount reduction,
» but poor at increase of exisiting hair thickness. RU is good at both.
» A combo of both might be good since they can work in synergy, fluridil
» inhibits androgen recpetors.
» I don’t use minox because i dont need regrowth, just maintenence of
» existing hair. those anti-androgen will not grow new strands of hair.

Awesome…I will get some RU from the chinese guys once I find a job, quiet expensive shipping uh. Do you take the RU orally or topically? if topically, how do you mix it? I got some progesterone cream, do you think I could mix it with that? I’m not too of an expert of mixing things really.

Any place you recommend to get the fluridil from?

Thanks again man.


#17

i buy my fluridil from menspharma.com, look at eucapil.com or more info.
i found that it was not very effective at 1 ampule a day recommended dosage, but worked a lot better at double or even 4 times the dosage. no side effects at all. not easy on the wallet but…
if you want hair AND libido things are getting real expensive currently, but its possible.
maybe topical SPIRO would be someting to try, it has no sides when taken topically.Never used it myself though…
RU is only taken topically


#18

» i buy my fluridil from menspharma.com, look at eucapil.com or more info.
» i found that it was not very effective at 1 ampule a day recommended
» dosage, but worked a lot better at double or even 4 times the dosage. no
» side effects at all. not easy on the wallet but…
» if you want hair AND libido things are getting real expensive currently,
» but its possible.
» maybe topical SPIRO would be someting to try, it has no sides when taken
» topically.Never used it myself though…
» RU is only taken topically

Duterino- Last couple of questions for you if you don’t mind…

  • For the RU, could you tell me how you apply it? Do you mix it with alcohol, aloe vera, etc? I’ve never done it before, so if you can share your expertise in applying I would appreciate it. Would it work if I mix it w/ my progesterone cream I have?

  • The Flutamide gave you side effects? In an earlier message you made a reference about it, just wanted to confirm if the sides were from flutimide or the dut.

Again, thanks for your input and help!


#19

for RU i use 70% ethanol & 30% PG.
topical flutamide and DUT both are giving sides. i used both at the same times so the sides were even stronger, as were the benefits on hair.
but side are temporary in any case…stopping flutamide for 3 days was sufficient to go back to normal. worth a try.


#20

Can anything be taken in conjuction with Dut to reduce the sides and/or make up for the loss of libido/focus. I’ve read many different takes on this both on the web and forums, but I’d like to hear what the Dut Gurus have to say.

» for RU i use 70% ethanol & 30% PG.
» topical flutamide and DUT both are giving sides. i used both at the same
» times so the sides were even stronger, as were the benefits on hair.
» but side are temporary in any case…stopping flutamide for 3 days was
» sufficient to go back to normal. worth a try.