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Do you still hope/count on a near HM?


#1

I gave up. I hope in 10 years or 15 years there will be a solution.

There was a time, when I counted on HM, when everyone thought ICX would be the deal.

Ya, I sometimes read in here, because I still have a little hope. But I dont count on HM anymore, not at all. Do you?

Aderans may be the best bet. but im very unsure coz of history. if HM was really realistic, then there would be more money involved. if chances was 80:20 then companies would invest 1 billion $ or more, because they would make much more in only one year. i dont know, aderans maybe invested 50 million $. not a good sign.

Once I really though: “When HM comes out, in about 2-3 years, then my life will be good again.” But this never happened. So i got a transplant. I dont want to discuss about transplants, but I want to know, what you think about chances generally. I havent read much in here in the last year, so i dont really now anymore how realistic it is. But what I said above says that chances are not very good. Maybe in 10, 15 years??

I know, i didnt post a post with information about HM, so now kill me for that :wink:


#2

Meine Fresse…,hast du noch alle Latten am Zaun!
Einfach mal die Fresse halten!
Was soll das ganze blabla…,keine Hoffnubg…!?Dann geh!
…Schneeball


#3

du noch alle Latten am Zaun!
» Einfach mal die Fresse halten!
» Was soll das ganze blabla…,keine Hoffnubg…!?Dann geh!
» …Schneeball

ah jo, find dich mal mit den fakten ab!?


#4

» I gave up. I hope in 10 years or 15 years there will be a solution

5 years : impossible
10 years : 15% ( being generous )
15-20 years : who knows !

In a nutshell : HM is as dead


#5

» » I gave up. I hope in 10 years or 15 years there will be a solution
»
» 5 years : impossible
» 10 years : 15% ( being generous )
» 15-20 years : who knows !
»
» In a nutshell : HM is as dead

wow. I guess it’s time you guys (except max) should commit suicide.


#6

It will be extremely near, my friend – probably only down the street from me and you. But it most likely won’t be there, or anywhere, for another 10-15 years.


#7

» It will be extremely near, my friend – probably only down the street from
» me and you. But it most likely won’t be there, or anywhere, for another
» 10-15 years.
You guys are right, HM is a scam like nasa or evolution. I guess it’s time to go see Dr Rassman. If he could save Michael Jackson than he can surely save us.


#8

» » I gave up. I hope in 10 years or 15 years there will be a solution
»
» 5 years : impossible
» 10 years : 15% ( being generous )
» 15-20 years : who knows !
»
» In a nutshell :

This. There will be no commercially-available HM within 5 years. There is a small chance it could be available within 7-10 years (Aderans or Follica). After that, who knows? Thanks to The Big Three, most younger baldies and some of the older ones will be able to keep their hair long enough to see HM or something else materialize (at least that’s what I’m counting on).


#9

5 years : impossible
10 years : 15% ( being generous )
15-20 years : who knows !

In a nutshell : HM is as dead as this forum lately

What part of “Aderans is in phase #2 trials” don’t you understand?

What part of “Folica is on its way to starting trials” don’t you understand?

What part of “Acell still hasn’t even had a decent set of tests” don’t you understand?

I’m not so convinced we’re near HM either. But I think saying that it’s impossible in 5 years and extremely unlikely in 15 years is just willfully denying the facts.


#10

Damn, you guys have the same view mostly. It will need a long time (at least) and doesnt have that much of a chance. Umm. I hope fin and minox will last enough time for me. That’s even more important for me since I got a transplant. Well ya, I knew it before…


#11

» Damn, you guys have the same view mostly. It will need a long time (at
» least) and doesnt have that much of a chance. Umm. I hope fin and minox
» will last enough time for me. That’s even more important for me since I got
» a transplant. Well ya, I knew it before…

I think it will be here next wednesday! Why start these pointless threads! The reponse is obvious.
Most people will say 'not for another 10-15 years’
Newbies will still hang onto the 'in 5 years time’
A few deluded will think '1-2 years time’
And Hangin will say we are all losers and predict 50-1000 years time!


#12

» » Damn, you guys have the same view mostly. It will need a long time (at
» » least) and doesnt have that much of a chance. Umm. I hope fin and minox
» » will last enough time for me. That’s even more important for me since I
» got
» » a transplant. Well ya, I knew it before…
»
» I think it will be here next wednesday! Why start these pointless threads!
» The reponse is obvious.
» Most people will say ‘not for another 10-15 years’
» Newbies will still hang onto the ‘in 5 years time’
» A few deluded will think ‘1-2 years time’
» And Hangin will say we are all losers and predict 50-1000 years time!

I predict 20 yrs will produce nothing,
30 yrs maybe

I do not think the technology is viable. It is possible to produce hairs, that is not the problem. The problem is producing hairs that are cosmetically acceptable.
Then you have to produce THOUSANDs of these hairs, and they have to live for 10 to 20 yrs hopefully. then you have to decide if you can produce these hairs in the lab, how will they get on your head? Injections"? what about hair direction?

So then you say ok produce them in the lab when you get the technology perfected, then use a hair transplant surgeon to implant them.

Its such a complicated issue, just to be able to produce the hairs ANYWHERE in large numbers will take more than 20 yrs.

20 years seems like a lifetime, when you are 20 something it is your whole life you have lived so it seems like wow it couldnt take that long.

But truly 20 yrs ago to us older guys, was not that long ago. Time flys

Learn to accept the possibility that HM wont save you. Try your hardest to stabilize your hair loss, \\
\
Transplants to me are too expensive and unpredictable as far as future thinning

hair loss sure sucks


#13

Cosmetically unacceptable hairs were last decade’s problem.

The HM efforts lately have tilted away from any of those issues and towards mehtods that more directly build on the body’s regenerative abilities. The corrent schemes involving dermal papillae cell replacement, wounding-based regeneratio . . . these methods have showed none of those problems with the characteristics of the hair being generated.


#14

» Cosmetically unacceptable hairs were last decade’s problem.
»
» The HM efforts lately have tilted away from any of those issues and
» towards mehtods that more directly build on the body’s regenerative
» abilities. The corrent schemes involving dermal papillae cell replacement,
» wounding-based regeneratio . . . these methods have showed none of those
» problems with the characteristics of the hair being generated.

Forget about the others remember Armani’s research team are working on HM.

On a serious note I expect Aderans or Folica to pull it off sometime in years to come.

ROLL ON HM - KEEP DREAMING!


#15

» Forget about the others remember Armani’s research team are working on
» HM.

Damn. I forgot about that guy. Armani should have a cure in less than 6 months.


#16

» Cosmetically unacceptable hairs were last decade’s problem.
»
» The HM efforts lately have tilted away from any of those issues and
» towards mehtods that more directly build on the body’s regenerative
» abilities. The corrent schemes involving dermal papillae cell replacement,
» wounding-based regeneratio . . . these methods have showed none of those
» problems with the characteristics of the hair being generated.

hair direction?
enough hair to be cosmetically acceptable, not meaning each individual hairs charactaristics, but enough hair in a certain area generated by this technique to make the expense worthwhile to the person

if it only generates a spattering of hairs on the area, is that worth the
person going to the time and expense to use the procedure


#17

» Cosmetically unacceptable hairs were last decade’s problem.
» The HM efforts lately have tilted away from any of those issues and
» towards mehtods that more directly build on the body’s regenerative
» abilities. The corrent schemes involving dermal papillae cell replacement,
» wounding-based regeneratio . . . these methods have showed none of those
» problems with the characteristics of the hair being generated.

pics ?


#18

» » Cosmetically unacceptable hairs were last decade’s problem.
» » The HM efforts lately have tilted away from any of those issues and
» » towards mehtods that more directly build on the body’s regenerative
» » abilities. The corrent schemes involving dermal papillae cell
» replacement,
» » wounding-based regeneratio . . . these methods have showed none of
» those
» » problems with the characteristics of the hair being generated.
»
» pics ?
search button ?


#19

hair direction?
enough hair to be cosmetically acceptable, not meaning each individual hairs charactaristics, but enough hair in a certain area generated by this technique to make the expense worthwhile to the person

if it only generates a spattering of hairs on the area, is that worth the
person going to the time and expense to use the procedure

Now you’re trying to tear down what I’m saying purely for the sake of winning the debate.

You know as well as I do that hair direction is part of the characteristics. The skin only knows how to make hairs the same way they were before because it only has that set of genetics to build from. It would take a different set of genes to make hairs that are successfully formed and yet different looking from the old ones.

And you know that if the procedure works then people can & will go back for repeat sessions on the same area until it looks great again. (If the gains can’t be repeated & compounded until it approaches cosmetic perfection then the entire HM method is a failure by definition. Something that works like PRP does not qualify as a real HM method.)

It will be affordable eventually even if it’s not right away. The most money lies in pricing it as low enough for good heads of hair to be attainable for working class people. That issue is obvious.


#20

» 5 years : impossible
» 10 years : 15% ( being generous )
» 15-20 years : who knows !
»
» In a nutshell : HM is as dead as this forum lately

»
»
» What part of “Aderans is in phase #2 trials” don’t you understand?

What part of “I don’t think it’s possible that Aderans has a commercial product available in 5 years” don’t you understand ?

You think it’s possible ?, ok, I’ve got no problems with that, I simply don’t agree. And I must say that Aderans looks like the most serious contender we’ve got, it’s not their fault, it’s the nature of the problem we must blame

» What part of “Folica is on its way to starting trials” don’t you
» understand?

Your sentence says it all : “Folica is on its way to starting trials” …
BTW, I’m not so sure there will be trials anyway

» What part of “Acell still hasn’t even had a decent set of tests” don’t you
» understand?

I’m not gonna enter the acell debate again, it’s ridiculous,

» I’m not so convinced we’re near HM either. But I think saying that it’s
» impossible in 5 years and extremely unlikely in 15 years is just willfully
» denying the facts

If you can read, I said : 15 years, who knows ?
And, do you know ? I’m right, good evening.