Do you realize how absurd this is?

[mate]

» I do not care about this american university shit, but if you want to hear
» it, then uk is officialy leading country in cellular research currently.
» they do not have a president who vetoes important research

Well, you should, as its the US higher educational system that performs the vast amount of advanced research in the world. It is a far more robust system than any other nation’s, and it is far and away better funded. Look at the endowments of the top 15 US universities. There is more money there than most nation’s budgets (Harvard: 35 billion; Princeton: 17 billion; the next ten or so average 5 billion each, and that’s just the top 15).

And as for our FEDERAL program, that’s right, there’s no federal money for stem cell research. But, unlike the European research system, the US system has as much funding available privately (i.e., University funding) as it does publicly, which is a huge advantage. As mentioned by the other poster, there is actually much more stem cell research going on in the States than any other country, and its all being funded privately or through State grants.

I could explain why what I’ve written is true (I studied the issue in business school), but I don’t feel like conducting a seminar. The bottom line is, except for a few Asian nations (Japan, South Korea), the vast majority of 1st world, developed, technologically competent nations are, to some degree, socialistic in their policies, and this fact has a tremendous impact on the way capital flows to research. When you must depend on the State or the market (ie, going public like ITX had to), it hindereds the quality of tech research greatly. You must have a robust, private system of capital that does not require universiality of its applications (the State) or penalize for failure (the market) if you are to encourage pure, unmolested research. This can only be achieved through a healthy, wealthy intellectual source of capital (the university system).

The only chance we have for a cure is that a major US university gets behind the problem, followed by a major US corporation. It is the only way to get the necessary monitary and intellectual resources needed to actually produce a commercial product. That has happened with Follica, and it has the best shot of producing results.

ICX is destined to fail - I’m convinced of it since seeing Farjo’s posts and replies. But we’ll see in March.

[ImTheGooch]

Also, To hangin in there. You make alot of valid points. Its not really what you say, its how you say it. Your one of these people that believe that just becasue what your saying may be valid or have truth to it you can be nasty in how you say it. You believe because you are imparting some kind of truth that is helpful you have the right to be mean and nasty. By doing this it turns most people off and hurts some peoples feelings which makes them unable to see your point. Its a way to be sadistic that you can rationalize that your only doing it for the good of the people you want to criticize and marginalize. You should really look at yourself and deal with whatever trauma that happened to you as a child that makes you want to act this way. There is a reason you come here all the time and its not some benevolence of wanting to impart wisdom on all the sad sacks here as you claim. For anybody that understands human nature your motives are quite transparent. Hopefully I am not being to mean to you and and acting in the same manner ( little paradox there).

Cheers

[helpme007]

» I wouldnt feel so bad about hanging here or being interested in a
» resolution to hairloss. Something Ive noticed. When I confided in other
» men with hairloss that it deeply affected me they always said that they
» fealt the same way but had never confided in anybody about. The only
» reason they opened up was because I opened up first. Most were afraid to
» confide in anybody how much it hurt them. Thats the way men are and are
» expected to be. You will find that if you speak with any man especially
» those who are affeted early in life with hairloss they will tell you it
» was a huge trauma. Even people who have learned to deal with it have had
» times where it bothered them. Very few men lose there hair and are really
» just OK with it. They do exist and older people deal better then young but
» you would be surprised at the ampont of people that seem OK with their
» hairloss who inside are very torn up about it.
»
» Guys just dont usally talk about these types of things with other guys or
» just make fun of their baldy friends not realizing that inside it is
» crushing them.
»
» I have had friends who werent bald who knew how much it bothered me who
» didnt think much of it. Didnt seem to think it was a big deal. Knew i was
» interested in thecnology to deal with HL who at the first signs of Mild HL
» came to me right away asking what they should do.
»
» I laugh at people who tell you its not a big deal and then wont leave the
» house until there hair is washed and styled and their hair looks infinetly
» better then mine when they havent washed it or styled it and they wont
» leave the house until they do so.
»
» Deal with it if you can but dont do a double beat up on yourself for being
» concerned about it. You feel like a loser for having no hair and then like
» a loser for worrying about it. Your not a loser for either. Dont beat
» yourself up for it affecting you, its just a double whammy. You may not
» have much control over hairloss but you some control over how it makes you
» feel and no need to beat yourself up twice.
»
» Hairloss is exactly that- a loss. Some people deal better with loss then
» others.
»
» Cheers. I hope that makes you feel a little better.

good post. thank you. well, when i didnt have hairloss i even didnt think twice about it. i just thought about it when i got it. im not sure how other people who got hairloss think about it. the ones i spoke to in my (real-) life didnt seem to be bothered much by it.

at the moment im very fine with my hair. i use a little (really only a little) toppik about 3 cm behind the hairline. the hairline is without toppik. you cant see it. with the style i have noone except me notices my loss. that makes me happy. my hairline is a mild nw2. i use wax in the hairline which thickens it a bit.

so well, that shows that hairloss does matter to me. with a style which shows the thinning i dont feel that good. its just stupid that its like this. why the hell does it matter so much to me since its only cosmetical. im really a pussy. you all are, too ;).

i hope i can hold my hair for some more years. then i would be happy with it. maybe this little trick with the toppik and the wax in the hairline - while i hold my hair - will make me stay out of this forum more often. im addicted of hairloss forums lol.

it shouldnt matter so much. with pointation on “shouldnt”. well this post was really something for the support forum.

[Raptor]

I normally dont reply to these STUPID posts…I dont like to add anything to them…BUT for all of those who dont think this stuff will ever come out…or that its crazy to let hairloss bother us…Why are you here ??? Why waste your time reading a message board about this stuff…there are alot of other things Id rather read about for fun…go find something else to do

Helpme you need help…are you bipolar or something ??? One day you are saying how much your hair bothers you…the next you have come up with some kind of “cure” and you hair is growing back…and then another…how absurd it is to let our hairloss bother us…I rarely read any of your posts because of this…are you just here for attention ??? Or are you really crazy with a split personality ??? If you are crazy…I feel bad for you and will tell you that you should get help.

[mate]

There’s no question that hairloss has profound impact on the lives of those who suffer from it, whether it bothers them or not. Numerous studies have shown that one’s appearance can impact that person’s life in serious ways. Take the study that showed a correlation between appearance and salary? Do you really think men look better without hair? If you do, you’re kidding yourself.

You may be just fine with being bald, but society isn’t.

Hairsite, can you move this thread to support? It has nothing to do with HM.

[goata007]

» I normally dont reply to these STUPID posts…I dont like to add
» anything to them…BUT for all of those who dont think this stuff
» will ever come out…or that its crazy to let hairloss bother
» us…Why are you here ??? Why waste your time reading a message board
» about this stuff…there are alot of other things Id rather read about
» for fun…go find something else to do

Exactly! All these people come here and lecture us on how we are wasting our time for something thats not coming out anytime soon…ironically these are the same guys with the most number of ‘pointless’ posts on this board. Why not visit other internet forums e.g. dating, socializing, etc and get a life?

[HanginInThere]

» » I have never said balding does not affect men or women, I am saying,
» that
» » there is no cure, and the cures out there are anywhere from expensive
» to
» » downright disfiguring, if left in the wrong hands
» »
» » the consensus on this board is that, if you are bald you are a loser,
» and
» » you have no chance with women, so our only hope is to hold out for HM ,
» so
» » you guys sit around trying to predict is it going to be out next year,
» is
» » it, is it, is it???
» »
» » That is an absurd attitude
» »
» » yes hair loss sucks, we have all gotten pissed and had the why me
» » attitude, but the next question is, lets just assume that HM or some
» other
» » miracle savior does not come to our rescue, Then what?
» »
» » Suicide? a life of no hope, no women, no success? That seems to be the
» » attitude of many on the board, and I think that is a losers attitude.
» We
» » all HATE OUR HAIRLOSS and we all would love to have all our hair back,
» » But that might just not happen EVER.
» »
» » So what to do? Cry? Sit here holding out and hoping beyond reason, that
» HM
» » will save us? When it may NEVER come to market.
» »
» » healthy skepticism about HM will not prevent its eventual release. If
» it
» » is coming it is coming, hell or high water. What I am trying to
» introduce
» » to the board is a general overall attitude of …yes hair
» matters,
» » but losing your hair is not the end of the world. Do you look better
» with
» » hair than without? Sure. But life didnt hand us that hand of cards, it
» » handed us a half bald, balding hand, so what we do with it is our
» choice.
» »
» »
» » My Choice is to accept my hair and try sure, to find a regimen to
» preserve
» » it. But I sure as hell am not going to sit here waiting like some sap
» for
» » some treatment that may never come, and then be devastated when it
» never
» » arrives.
» »
» » To me that seems like it is the fate that awaits most of the HM board
» » members.
»
» i think that is, too, what i wanted to say with my post. hairloss is no
» disease like mate says.
»
» its logical that some who suffers from something does seek for help and
» has hope in treatments. but its not logical to suffer from hairloss
» forever. or is it? I understand it, coz i was there too. but its all about
» something cosmetic. its coz we’re vain that we suffer from something
» cosmetic. beeing vain is luxus. if you look good you can afford it, but
» when you re not anymore - and maybe hairloss makes you not good looking
» anymore - then you cant afford it. you suffer from beeing vain when you re
» not handsome. thats at least my theory. life is not all about looks. there
» is more about it.

you make some valid points and no you do not hurt my feelings
i am not thin skinned

i realize i cancel out my message often with my brusque manner

[HanginInThere]

» There’s no question that hairloss has profound impact on the lives of those
» who suffer from it, whether it bothers them or not. Numerous studies have
» shown that one’s appearance can impact that person’s life in serious ways.
» Take the study that showed a correlation between appearance and salary?
» Do you really think men look better without hair? If you do, you’re
» kidding yourself.
»
» You may be just fine with being bald, but society isn’t.
»
» Hairsite, can you move this thread to support? It has nothing to do with
» HM.

yes the perfect solution is, to just cry about our predicament, and how society discriminates against us, and how hair is so important , how can we be expected to succeed like all those lucky guys with hair… I am sure this will regrow us all a full head of hair

[blahblah]

» this whole forum is about science for cosmetic surgery. we dont even know
» if there will come anything out of this science. i dont want to criticize
» anyone. i know everyone has his/her own reasons to be interested in this
» science. but hanginthere is right, its all a pipe dream. its all about
» hope for some cosmetic thing. i just wanted to share this. i was inspired
» of a post of someone else in another forum. i know noone will do this, but
» i think the right way would be accepting this cosmetic thing and live their
» life. do you tell people that you re hanging in this forum? i dont because
» im ashamed of it. if people knew i hang in a hairloss science forum so
» often i think they would think bad about me.
» its a paradox, i know its absurd but i do it, i read this forum. but im
» right, its absurd, isnt it? or do you think its logical and the right
» thing to read and write regulary about cosmetic science? its cosmetic and
» we are men so its irrelvent and noone i know is intersted in hair except
» me. i know hair science is interesting but is it logical that its
» interesting?
»
» your opinions? your thoughts, your critic?

my opinion is ur an annoying shit who comes in here once a month to get people annoyed.

[cal]

There is nothing stupid about just wanting to look your own age, and to look as attractive as you already looked just a couple years ago through no fault of your own. Not when you’re a young man trying to make it in the most apperance-sensitive culture this world has ever seen.

In terms of the effects on the rest of your life, fighting major early-adult hair loss is only as stupid as fighting severe adult acne or weight problems. If that’s stupid, then you can call me one stupid motherf*cker.

As for the HM & timeline debate, I’ve said it before:

CLINCAL TRIALS, PEOPLE!

IHO it’s idiotic to believe anything is “5 years away” when the trials haven’t even started yet, and it’s just as idiotic to believe that something is “still just a theoretical pipe dream” when it is already nearing the end of stage#2.

Hair multiplication could certainly still fail. I’d be the first to admit that. But still, sooner or later there IS a point when something becomes greater than 50% likely to work.

These trials cost huge money just to do at all. And misleading your stockholders about your research progress is a criminal offense. If companies like ICX aren’t really near the finish line, then they certainly must at least erronously believe they are. And they’ve hired all the big-brain scientists to tell them whether they’re right. They’re not doing this for us, they’re doing this to make themselves a lot of money.

[helpme007]

» I normally dont reply to these STUPID posts…I dont like to add
» anything to them…BUT for all of those who dont think this stuff
» will ever come out…or that its crazy to let hairloss bother
» us…Why are you here ??? Why waste your time reading a message board
» about this stuff…there are alot of other things Id rather read about
» for fun…go find something else to do
»
»
» Helpme you need help…are you bipolar or something ??? One day you
» are saying how much your hair bothers you…the next you have come
» up with some kind of “cure” and you hair is growing back…and then
» another…how absurd it is to let our hairloss bother us…I rarely
» read any of your posts because of this…are you just here for
» attention ??? Or are you really crazy with a split personality ??? If you
» are crazy…I feel bad for you and will tell you that you should get
» help.

i know why i come up like this. yes, my hairloss bothers me. but sometimes i dont want it to be true and i listen to what my parents and other people tell me. and this that hairloss doesnt matter that much. everyone agrees that hairloss is not positive , its more negative.
sometimes when im ok with my hair, i write these things in this forum. maybe im a bit extreme in my opinions. dont you know that, some day you feel good about your hair(-loss) and sometimes you feel bad about it. the difference is i go to extremes and when im ok with my hair then i think “shit, its not important” and i worry and care about other things and am happy. then there come days when im not that comfortable with my hair and i hope someone brings out a new treatment for it.
though you have to agree that the days where i was desperate about hairloss are gone. i dont write anymore that i need a cure the next day or something like this. though sometimes i still wish they bring out something at least the next 5 years.
i think im between denial and acceptance. denial means you want a cure and dont want to live with it and when you re in acceptance you think its ok.
sometimes i hate my hairloss and hate myself for having it. then i hate you other guys, too, coz you got the same problem. so i write these posts. well ya, i want to diss you with them.
then other days i hope like you, too, that there is a cure in the next years.

yes, i worry much about my hair. and i feel better when it looks good than when it looks bad. but i dont to give up to fully accept it one day. i dont want to put myself in a line with some guys on this forum. for some of you HM or follica - a cure - is the only option. there is another way and its called “acceptance”. its a fact that its only cosmetic and its a fact that its not this much a problem. it doesnt hurt you and you can live a happy full life. you just need to accept it and im working on this. i dont want to end like so many posters in here and only hope for a cure. it might never come out or it might come out in 10 years, 20 years, …

maybe i should stop making these posts and accept it for myself while not bothering about you guys. im not you and you re not me so i dont have to hate you or diss you.

well i agree: i hate my hairloss and i worry about it and i want a cure. someone said in this thread that i hate my hairloss and i hate myself for hating it. that s the point. you always hate in other people what you hate in yourself and this is this. that s the reason i hate you and myself and this is why i try to diss you with my posts. i dont care if it works. you - raptor - said that you ignore my posts anyway so it doesnt hurt you when i write this.

i think this is my problem. i dont write this only for you, i write for myself too. its to visualize my problem and its that i feel like a loser for having hairloss and even more like this coz i hate my hairloss.

ya its only logical that i think as of a loser of you, too. thats human nature, human psychologic. now that i accept this i can work on it. acceptance the first move to make it better. thank you for your input. i wouldnt have realized this without you.

i hope you understand me. im not a bad human.

[helpme007]

» I wouldnt feel so bad about hanging here or being interested in a
» resolution to hairloss. Something Ive noticed. When I confided in other
» men with hairloss that it deeply affected me they always said that they
» fealt the same way but had never confided in anybody about. The only
» reason they opened up was because I opened up first. Most were afraid to
» confide in anybody how much it hurt them. Thats the way men are and are
» expected to be. You will find that if you speak with any man especially
» those who are affeted early in life with hairloss they will tell you it
» was a huge trauma. Even people who have learned to deal with it have had
» times where it bothered them. Very few men lose there hair and are really
» just OK with it. They do exist and older people deal better then young but
» you would be surprised at the ampont of people that seem OK with their
» hairloss who inside are very torn up about it.
»
» Guys just dont usally talk about these types of things with other guys or
» just make fun of their baldy friends not realizing that inside it is
» crushing them.
»
» I have had friends who werent bald who knew how much it bothered me who
» didnt think much of it. Didnt seem to think it was a big deal. Knew i was
» interested in thecnology to deal with HL who at the first signs of Mild HL
» came to me right away asking what they should do.
»
» I laugh at people who tell you its not a big deal and then wont leave the
» house until there hair is washed and styled and their hair looks infinetly
» better then mine when they havent washed it or styled it and they wont
» leave the house until they do so.
»
» Deal with it if you can but dont do a double beat up on yourself for being
» concerned about it. You feel like a loser for having no hair and then like
» a loser for worrying about it. Your not a loser for either. Dont beat
» yourself up for it affecting you, its just a double whammy. You may not
» have much control over hairloss but you some control over how it makes you
» feel and no need to beat yourself up twice.
»
» Hairloss is exactly that- a loss. Some people deal better with loss then
» others.
»
» Cheers. I hope that makes you feel a little better.

thx! i think this is the point. i hate myself for hating hairloss and so i hate everyone in here coz they got the same problem like me - hating hairloss. i will try to not think of me like a loser coz i got hairloss and i will try to not feel like a loser coz i hate that i hate hairloss.

you re right its a double beating.

[HanginInThere]

» There is nothing stupid about just wanting to look your own age, and to
» look as attractive as you already looked just a couple years ago through
» no fault of your own. Not when you’re a young man trying to make it in
» the most apperance-sensitive culture this world has ever seen.
»
» In terms of the effects on the rest of your life, fighting major
» early-adult hair loss is only as stupid as fighting severe adult acne or
» weight problems. If that’s stupid, then you can call me one stupid
» motherf*cker.
»
»
»
»
» As for the HM & timeline debate, I’ve said it before:
»
» CLINCAL TRIALS, PEOPLE!
»
» IHO it’s idiotic to believe anything is “5 years away” when the trials
» haven’t even started yet, and it’s just as idiotic to believe that
» something is “still just a theoretical pipe dream” when it is already
» nearing the end of stage#2.
»
» Hair multiplication could certainly still fail. I’d be the first to admit
» that. But still, sooner or later there IS a point when something
» becomes greater than 50% likely to work.
»
» These trials cost huge money just to do at all. And misleading your
» stockholders about your research progress is a criminal offense. If
» companies like ICX aren’t really near the finish line, then they certainly
» must at least erronously believe they are. And they’ve hired all the
» big-brain scientists to tell them whether they’re right. They’re not
» doing this for us, they’re doing this to make themselves a lot of money.

they dont have to mislead anyone
all they have to do is

1)not take pictures
2)not give actual hair counts…just give percentages. btw what does 30 percent hair regrowth mean…30 percent of what? If there are three hairs to start with and they regrow one hair, thats 30 percent regrowth…but to say we got one new hair, would quickly cut off their funding, thats why 30 percent sounds SO MUCH BETTER

see any problem here with their reporting methods?

are the new hairs being regrown, velous hairs, did they turn terminal? Ah no need to worry, after all , there are NO PICTURES…so it is left to our imagination

[cal]

Hangin, I’m not gonna argue with you about this. I know a debater when I hear one.

You’ve already made up your mind that HM is nowhere near reality, and you will cherry-pick whatever facts you can find to support that idea rather than just look at the whole picture with fresh eyes. You don’t want to hear anyone else’s viewpoint for the sake of being more informed, you really just want to win the debate for your original viewpoint regardless of whether it’s correct or not.

I could throw out some reasonings to refute for your last points, but I’m feeling lazy and I’m not really interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. You can have your “win” here if you want it.

In the end we don’t have anywhere near enough real information from ICX to say that either one of us is right. So I’m not gonna be able to change your mind any more than you’re gonna change mine.

[footbald]

» » » Agreed. I shaved it off 3 1/2 years ago. Like Alec, I’ve been
» visiting
» » » this board since it’s inception in '97. It is now more of a hobby
» than
» » a
» » » source of hope or inspiration as it was when I was younger.
» » »
» » » Be confident and size up a woman’s maturity level (not necessarily
» her
» » » age). I find that’s normally the most telling factor as to whether
» you
» » » will have a shot.
» »
» » Its an annoying,sometime depressing little hobby comimg to hairsite,but
» » who knows we might get the full picture one day.
» »
» » I’m now 43.I stopped getting directly chatted up sometime in my
» » thirties,not that I ever took it up (Happy with the lady in my life,or
» was
» » I a little shy on the inside,but not on the outside).I still get a bit
» of
» » interest,but not a lot these days,thats a general age thing.I just find
» it
» » a bit flattering,sometimes,mostly there my age and bloody look it,my
» lady
» » is 9 years younger than me.
» »
» » What we have to remember as women get older,they get hang ups about
» » themselves,too.
»
» Like I have always said, it is all relative
»
» if you had cancer or were paralyzed and if I asked you, would you like me
» to rid you of cancer and allow you to walk again, only thing is the trade
» is you would be losing your hair, you would gladly say sure no problem
»
» if hair loss is the biggest worry you have in your life, consider yourself
» fortunate

but… I wan’t cancer. Makes people pity me, and I’ve gone off solid food, and only live of other people’s pity. And who needs walking. I spend most of my time at the computer anyways.

But, on another note - yeah, I agree with your sentiment.

I’m not completely bald, but was told by a couople of youngsters that I got “bald hair” haha. I still use that one.
So what, I’m losing hair. Funny thing is, here in Copenhagen, I see soooo many “rough-necks”, bald or shaven, dating the porn-slut girls. So, if that’s your thing, shave yourself.

Of course, like almost everyone else, balding is not a hilarious roller-coaster ride. It’s sucky, but, not so big an issue as we think. I’ve personally experienced a huge number of advantages to being “forced” to buzz myself. People respect me more when I look mean now, than when I had hair - and professionally that’s a big plus for me (also gets me out of more trouble than you can shake a stick at).

Sure, I look different. And, just like I don’t like floppy tits, some girls will think it’s a turn-off. But, behind all that, it’s basically the attitude. Hair or not, confidence comes from another place.
I’m balding, but so fucking what. Lick my balding dildo head then. I double, tripple and quadruple dare ya. The problem is not so much losing hair, as is the attitude concerning it. Funny thing is, I never really see anyone posting pictures of themselves, but I might be looking in the wrong places.
You can do me at Christian Bille (shockedbydefault) on Myspace (think there’s a couple of self-shots there ;)) - I’m not embarrassed… neither should you be.

[bug2]

agreed
» Hangin, I’m not gonna argue with you about this. I know a debater when I
» hear one.
»
» You’ve already made up your mind that HM is nowhere near reality, and you
» will cherry-pick whatever facts you can find to support that idea rather
» than just look at the whole picture with fresh eyes. You don’t want to
» hear anyone else’s viewpoint for the sake of being more informed, you
» really just want to win the debate for your original viewpoint regardless
» of whether it’s correct or not.
»
»
»
» I could throw out some reasonings to refute for your last points, but I’m
» feeling lazy and I’m not really interested in arguing for the sake of
» arguing. You can have your “win” here if you want it.
»
» In the end we don’t have anywhere near enough real information from ICX to
» say that either one of us is right. So I’m not gonna be able to change
» your mind any more than you’re gonna change mine.