Do you realize how absurd this is?

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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this whole forum is about science for cosmetic surgery. we dont even know if there will come anything out of this science. i dont want to criticize anyone. i know everyone has his/her own reasons to be interested in this science. but hanginthere is right, its all a pipe dream. its all about hope for some cosmetic thing. i just wanted to share this. i was inspired of a post of someone else in another forum. i know noone will do this, but i think the right way would be accepting this cosmetic thing and live their life. do you tell people that you re hanging in this forum? i dont because im ashamed of it. if people knew i hang in a hairloss science forum so often i think they would think bad about me.
its a paradox, i know its absurd but i do it, i read this forum. but im right, its absurd, isnt it? or do you think its logical and the right thing to read and write regulary about cosmetic science? its cosmetic and we are men so its irrelvent and noone i know is intersted in hair except me. i know hair science is interesting but is it logical that its interesting?

your opinions? your thoughts, your critic?

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Yes we are all Sicko’s, and I’ve been in this forum since 1997 when HM was withih 5 years. Here it is 10 yrs later and still only a few crude pics of attempt at HM. We are all just getting older and balder hoping for a cure that will never come. I suggest we all buy a wig or get HT. alec

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» this whole forum is about science for cosmetic surgery. we dont even know
» if there will come anything out of this science. i dont want to criticize
» anyone. i know everyone has his/her own reasons to be interested in this
» science. but hanginthere is right, its all a pipe dream. its all about
» hope for some cosmetic thing. i just wanted to share this. i was inspired
» of a post of someone else in another forum. i know noone will do this, but
» i think the right way would be accepting this cosmetic thing and live their
» life. do you tell people that you re hanging in this forum? i dont because
» im ashamed of it. if people knew i hang in a hairloss science forum so
» often i think they would think bad about me.
» its a paradox, i know its absurd but i do it, i read this forum. but im
» right, its absurd, isnt it? or do you think its logical and the right
» thing to read and write regulary about cosmetic science? its cosmetic and
» we are men so its irrelvent and noone i know is intersted in hair except
» me. i know hair science is interesting but is it logical that its
» interesting?
»
» your opinions? your thoughts, your critic?

Hairloss is a disease. Those that suffer from it will naturally be interested in its treatments. The impact of hairloss may be “cosmetic”, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t dibilitating. Your embarressment is not the result of an inapproprate concern, its the result of society’s attitude towards the disease.

I don’t see why this should be in the HM forum. Post stuff like this in support, or off topic.

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Be brave shave it all off - be BALD & PROUD!

At least for the time being,until something comes out.

I shave my head every day,its a bit annoying having to do it every day,but its a better look than thinning bloody hair,but I still would prefer hair.I’m in sales,I make jokes like its bloody raining,shit my hair will go curly,you’d be surprised how many people then look,in other words they never took much notice in the first place.

The hang up is in us,no one else really cares!

Its hard,but if we act confident and pretend we don’t care,we’ll all get by,hopefully until something comes out

ROLL ON HM!

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» Be brave shave it all off - be BALD & PROUD!
»
» At least for the time being,until something comes out.
»
» I shave my head every day,its a bit annoying having to do it every day,but
» its a better look than thinning bloody hair,but I still would prefer
» hair.I’m in sales,I make jokes like its bloody raining,shit my hair will
» go curly,you’d be surprised how many people then look,in other words they
» never took much notice in the first place.
»
» The hang up is in us,no one else really cares!
»
» Its hard,but if we act confident and pretend we don’t care,we’ll all get
» by,hopefully until something comes out
»
» ROLL ON HM!

Agreed. I shaved it off 3 1/2 years ago. Like Alec, I’ve been visiting this board since it’s inception in '97. It is now more of a hobby than a source of hope or inspiration as it was when I was younger.

Be confident and size up a woman’s maturity level (not necessarily her age). I find that’s normally the most telling factor as to whether you will have a shot.

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» » this whole forum is about science for cosmetic surgery. we dont even
» know
» » if there will come anything out of this science. i dont want to
» criticize
» » anyone. i know everyone has his/her own reasons to be interested in
» this
» » science. but hanginthere is right, its all a pipe dream. its all about
» » hope for some cosmetic thing. i just wanted to share this. i was
» inspired
» » of a post of someone else in another forum. i know noone will do this,
» but
» » i think the right way would be accepting this cosmetic thing and live
» their
» » life. do you tell people that you re hanging in this forum? i dont
» because
» » im ashamed of it. if people knew i hang in a hairloss science forum so
» » often i think they would think bad about me.
» » its a paradox, i know its absurd but i do it, i read this forum. but im
» » right, its absurd, isnt it? or do you think its logical and the right
» » thing to read and write regulary about cosmetic science? its cosmetic
» and
» » we are men so its irrelvent and noone i know is intersted in hair
» except
» » me. i know hair science is interesting but is it logical that its
» » interesting?
» »
» » your opinions? your thoughts, your critic?
»
» Hairloss is a disease. Those that suffer from it will naturally be
» interested in its treatments. The impact of hairloss may be “cosmetic”,
» but that doesn’t mean it isn’t dibilitating. Your embarressment is not
» the result of an inapproprate concern, its the result of society’s
» attitude towards the disease.
»
» I don’t see why this should be in the HM forum. Post stuff like this in
» support, or off topic.

disease? hardly

diseases are usually either communicable,ie contagious…it is not…or they certainly lead to possible serious and sometimes life threatening complications if not treated…again, not the case

do you even know the meaning of the word disease

perhaps you think alcoholism is a disease too…thats a cop out for losers

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» Agreed. I shaved it off 3 1/2 years ago. Like Alec, I’ve been visiting
» this board since it’s inception in '97. It is now more of a hobby than a
» source of hope or inspiration as it was when I was younger.
»
» Be confident and size up a woman’s maturity level (not necessarily her
» age). I find that’s normally the most telling factor as to whether you
» will have a shot.

Its an annoying,sometime depressing little hobby comimg to hairsite,but who knows we might get the full picture one day.

I’m now 43.I stopped getting directly chatted up sometime in my thirties,not that I ever took it up (Happy with the lady in my life,or was I a little shy on the inside,but not on the outside).I still get a bit of interest,but not a lot these days,thats a general age thing.I just find it a bit flattering,sometimes,mostly there my age and bloody look it,my lady is 9 years younger than me.

What we have to remember as women get older,they get hang ups about themselves,too.

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Hello HanginInThere - Keep the good work up!

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» » Agreed. I shaved it off 3 1/2 years ago. Like Alec, I’ve been visiting
» » this board since it’s inception in '97. It is now more of a hobby than
» a
» » source of hope or inspiration as it was when I was younger.
» »
» » Be confident and size up a woman’s maturity level (not necessarily her
» » age). I find that’s normally the most telling factor as to whether you
» » will have a shot.
»
» Its an annoying,sometime depressing little hobby comimg to hairsite,but
» who knows we might get the full picture one day.
»
» I’m now 43.I stopped getting directly chatted up sometime in my
» thirties,not that I ever took it up (Happy with the lady in my life,or was
» I a little shy on the inside,but not on the outside).I still get a bit of
» interest,but not a lot these days,thats a general age thing.I just find it
» a bit flattering,sometimes,mostly there my age and bloody look it,my lady
» is 9 years younger than me.
»
» What we have to remember as women get older,they get hang ups about
» themselves,too.

Like I have always said, it is all relative

if you had cancer or were paralyzed and if I asked you, would you like me to rid you of cancer and allow you to walk again, only thing is the trade is you would be losing your hair, you would gladly say sure no problem

if hair loss is the biggest worry you have in your life, consider yourself fortunate

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» » » this whole forum is about science for cosmetic surgery. we dont even
» » know
» » » if there will come anything out of this science. i dont want to
» » criticize
» » » anyone. i know everyone has his/her own reasons to be interested in
» » this
» » » science. but hanginthere is right, its all a pipe dream. its all
» about
» » » hope for some cosmetic thing. i just wanted to share this. i was
» » inspired
» » » of a post of someone else in another forum. i know noone will do
» this,
» » but
» » » i think the right way would be accepting this cosmetic thing and live
» » their
» » » life. do you tell people that you re hanging in this forum? i dont
» » because
» » » im ashamed of it. if people knew i hang in a hairloss science forum
» so
» » » often i think they would think bad about me.
» » » its a paradox, i know its absurd but i do it, i read this forum. but
» im
» » » right, its absurd, isnt it? or do you think its logical and the right
» » » thing to read and write regulary about cosmetic science? its cosmetic
» » and
» » » we are men so its irrelvent and noone i know is intersted in hair
» » except
» » » me. i know hair science is interesting but is it logical that its
» » » interesting?
» » »
» » » your opinions? your thoughts, your critic?
» »
» » Hairloss is a disease. Those that suffer from it will naturally be
» » interested in its treatments. The impact of hairloss may be
» “cosmetic”,
» » but that doesn’t mean it isn’t dibilitating. Your embarressment is not
» » the result of an inapproprate concern, its the result of society’s
» » attitude towards the disease.
» »
» » I don’t see why this should be in the HM forum. Post stuff like this
» in
» » support, or off topic.
»
» disease? hardly
»
» diseases are usually either communicable,ie contagious…it
» is not…or they certainly lead to possible serious and
» sometimes life threatening complications if not
» treated…again, not the case
»
» do you even know the meaning of the word disease
»
» perhaps you think alcoholism is a disease too…thats a
» cop out for losers

What does alcoholism have to do with it? Lets leave the straw man arguments out of this.

As for your definition of disease, its just that, YOUR definition. The REAL definition of disease, as taken from my highschool bio textbook, is:

“”(d)isease" is often used to refer to any condition that causes discomfort, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories."

Catch that last part? “atypical variations of structure and function”. That covers any affliction that affects the appearence. Disease does not just cover terminal or contagious conditions. Of course someone who is a quadriplegic would trade their hair for their legs, but that argument could be made ad infinitum. I’m sure a terminal cancer patient would trade their eyesight for another year of life, but that doesn’t mean the blind aren’t afflicted. Your argument is semantic at best.

As for those who think being bald doesn’t matter, you’re kidding yourself. It absolutely affects one’s appearance, and it has been well documented --scientifically, not through conjecture or hear-say like the opinions being offered here – that one’s appearance is vitally important in almost every aspect of sociality. Despite its current popularity among balding men (and that is the only group it is popular with), bald is not attractive, and never preferred over a full head of hair. Anyone who thinks so is simply lying to themselves.

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I have never said balding does not affect men or women, I am saying, that there is no cure, and the cures out there are anywhere from expensive to downright disfiguring, if left in the wrong hands

the consensus on this board is that, if you are bald you are a loser, and you have no chance with women, so our only hope is to hold out for HM , so you guys sit around trying to predict is it going to be out next year, is it, is it, is it???

That is an absurd attitude

yes hair loss sucks, we have all gotten pissed and had the why me attitude, but the next question is, lets just assume that HM or some other miracle savior does not come to our rescue, Then what?

Suicide? a life of no hope, no women, no success? That seems to be the attitude of many on the board, and I think that is a losers attitude. We all HATE OUR HAIRLOSS and we all would love to have all our hair back, But that might just not happen EVER.

So what to do? Cry? Sit here holding out and hoping beyond reason, that HM will save us? When it may NEVER come to market.

healthy skepticism about HM will not prevent its eventual release. If it is coming it is coming, hell or high water. What I am trying to introduce to the board is a general overall attitude of …yes hair matters, but losing your hair is not the end of the world. Do you look better with hair than without? Sure. But life didnt hand us that hand of cards, it handed us a half bald, balding hand, so what we do with it is our choice.

My Choice is to accept my hair and try sure, to find a regimen to preserve it. But I sure as hell am not going to sit here waiting like some sap for some treatment that may never come, and then be devastated when it never arrives.

To me that seems like it is the fate that awaits most of the HM board members.

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» I have never said balding does not affect men or women, I am saying, that
» there is no cure, and the cures out there are anywhere from expensive to
» downright disfiguring, if left in the wrong hands
»
» the consensus on this board is that, if you are bald you are a loser, and
» you have no chance with women, so our only hope is to hold out for HM , so
» you guys sit around trying to predict is it going to be out next year, is
» it, is it, is it???
»
» That is an absurd attitude
»
» yes hair loss sucks, we have all gotten pissed and had the why me
» attitude, but the next question is, lets just assume that HM or some other
» miracle savior does not come to our rescue, Then what?
»
» Suicide? a life of no hope, no women, no success? That seems to be the
» attitude of many on the board, and I think that is a losers attitude. We
» all HATE OUR HAIRLOSS and we all would love to have all our hair back,
» But that might just not happen EVER.
»
» So what to do? Cry? Sit here holding out and hoping beyond reason, that HM
» will save us? When it may NEVER come to market.
»
» healthy skepticism about HM will not prevent its eventual release. If it
» is coming it is coming, hell or high water. What I am trying to introduce
» to the board is a general overall attitude of …yes hair matters,
» but losing your hair is not the end of the world. Do you look better with
» hair than without? Sure. But life didnt hand us that hand of cards, it
» handed us a half bald, balding hand, so what we do with it is our choice.
»
»
» My Choice is to accept my hair and try sure, to find a regimen to preserve
» it. But I sure as hell am not going to sit here waiting like some sap for
» some treatment that may never come, and then be devastated when it never
» arrives.
»
» To me that seems like it is the fate that awaits most of the HM board
» members.

I agree. Just because one is losing their hair does not mean they can’t lead a full life, or at least try to. But its not “absurd” to be interested in the latest treatment news, nor discuss promising developments. Anyone suffering from anything is perfectly in the right and normal to want to learn more about their affliction.

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» » I have never said balding does not affect men or women, I am saying,
» that
» » there is no cure, and the cures out there are anywhere from expensive
» to
» » downright disfiguring, if left in the wrong hands
» »
» » the consensus on this board is that, if you are bald you are a loser,
» and
» » you have no chance with women, so our only hope is to hold out for HM ,
» so
» » you guys sit around trying to predict is it going to be out next year,
» is
» » it, is it, is it???
» »
» » That is an absurd attitude
» »
» » yes hair loss sucks, we have all gotten pissed and had the why me
» » attitude, but the next question is, lets just assume that HM or some
» other
» » miracle savior does not come to our rescue, Then what?
» »
» » Suicide? a life of no hope, no women, no success? That seems to be the
» » attitude of many on the board, and I think that is a losers attitude.
» We
» » all HATE OUR HAIRLOSS and we all would love to have all our hair back,
» » But that might just not happen EVER.
» »
» » So what to do? Cry? Sit here holding out and hoping beyond reason, that
» HM
» » will save us? When it may NEVER come to market.
» »
» » healthy skepticism about HM will not prevent its eventual release. If
» it
» » is coming it is coming, hell or high water. What I am trying to
» introduce
» » to the board is a general overall attitude of …yes hair
» matters,
» » but losing your hair is not the end of the world. Do you look better
» with
» » hair than without? Sure. But life didnt hand us that hand of cards, it
» » handed us a half bald, balding hand, so what we do with it is our
» choice.
» »
» »
» » My Choice is to accept my hair and try sure, to find a regimen to
» preserve
» » it. But I sure as hell am not going to sit here waiting like some sap
» for
» » some treatment that may never come, and then be devastated when it
» never
» » arrives.
» »
» » To me that seems like it is the fate that awaits most of the HM board
» » members.
»
» I agree. Just because one is losing their hair does not mean they can’t
» lead a full life, or at least try to. But its not “absurd” to be
» interested in the latest treatment news, nor discuss promising
» developments. Anyone suffering from anything is perfectly in the right
» and normal to want to learn more about their affliction.

i am interested sure, in HM if or when it becomes viable, or certainly hopefully affordable. but there seems to be an over abundance of guys with blinders on who seem to think it will be out next year, or some such nonsense

there are plenty of guys on the board who have been here since the late 90s when everyone was SURE it would be here within 5 yrs, and here it is 10 yrs later and we still have the same old predictions

If guys were at least more realistic in thinking, either it may NEVER be here, or it may not be what we hope it will be, etc, it would be more reasonable this board,

I guess being overly optomistic is not necessarily a good thing in some cases if you are hoping so badly that the treatment will be here next year

of course having suffered through hair loss a WEE bit longer than most of you , I can certainly sympathize with those who absolutely despise losing their hair

oh well I am over my devastation, since mine stabilized 10 yrs ago, and my front actually looks pretty good, the hairline, which is what most people see

I actually think most guys would be happy if they could be guaranteed to stop their hairloss where it is now, they could get used to that, as long as every year they didnt have less and less hair, we could adjust to that, I have

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»
» I actually think most guys would be happy if they could be guaranteed to
» stop their hairloss where it is now, they could get used to that, as long
» as every year they didnt have less and less hair, we could adjust to that,
» I have

I totally agree. It is often claimed that the big three will stabalize your hair, but it seems not to be the case (at least antecdotally).

Watching 10 years pass with nary a development would be most disappointing. Over those ten years, the biggest development was Dut, and that turned into not much a of a development at all. Gho was a scam artist, and those who bought into him were truly dillusional, and I’d apply that label to anyone crossing their fingers for ITX as well. However, Follica is different in two important ways. First, its the product of the American bioscience industry, which has significant and important differences when compared with the rest of the world. Second, its backed by a MAJOR American research university. Those two things alone should make us check our normal pessemism. I am cautiously optomistic.

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haha yeah, youre so right. I don’t tell anyone as well :). Visiting this forum is like being with a prostitute :slight_smile:

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mate: I do believe that Gho was not a scam artist. It was just way too difficult task for a single man.

I also do believe that ICX-TRC has chances to be a cure (though relatively small chances to be a perfect cure in just few years from now on) or at least important part of future cure (TRC2, TRC3…). It is the dermal papilla cells that react to signals triggered by DHT by secreting cell “suicide” factors and killing themselves. They die, and dermal papilla stops being able to produce hair.

In theory if you replace them with DP cells immune to DHT, you could get your hair perfectly back as it was when you were a teenager.

I do not care about this american university shit, but if you want to hear it, then uk is officialy leading country in cellular research currently. they do not have a president who vetoes important research

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» I have never said balding does not affect men or women, I am saying, that
» there is no cure, and the cures out there are anywhere from expensive to
» downright disfiguring, if left in the wrong hands
»
» the consensus on this board is that, if you are bald you are a loser, and
» you have no chance with women, so our only hope is to hold out for HM , so
» you guys sit around trying to predict is it going to be out next year, is
» it, is it, is it???
»
» That is an absurd attitude
»
» yes hair loss sucks, we have all gotten pissed and had the why me
» attitude, but the next question is, lets just assume that HM or some other
» miracle savior does not come to our rescue, Then what?
»
» Suicide? a life of no hope, no women, no success? That seems to be the
» attitude of many on the board, and I think that is a losers attitude. We
» all HATE OUR HAIRLOSS and we all would love to have all our hair back,
» But that might just not happen EVER.
»
» So what to do? Cry? Sit here holding out and hoping beyond reason, that HM
» will save us? When it may NEVER come to market.
»
» healthy skepticism about HM will not prevent its eventual release. If it
» is coming it is coming, hell or high water. What I am trying to introduce
» to the board is a general overall attitude of …yes hair matters,
» but losing your hair is not the end of the world. Do you look better with
» hair than without? Sure. But life didnt hand us that hand of cards, it
» handed us a half bald, balding hand, so what we do with it is our choice.
»
»
» My Choice is to accept my hair and try sure, to find a regimen to preserve
» it. But I sure as hell am not going to sit here waiting like some sap for
» some treatment that may never come, and then be devastated when it never
» arrives.
»
» To me that seems like it is the fate that awaits most of the HM board
» members.

i think that is, too, what i wanted to say with my post. hairloss is no disease like mate says.

its logical that some who suffers from something does seek for help and has hope in treatments. but its not logical to suffer from hairloss forever. or is it? I understand it, coz i was there too. but its all about something cosmetic. its coz we’re vain that we suffer from something cosmetic. beeing vain is luxus. if you look good you can afford it, but when you re not anymore - and maybe hairloss makes you not good looking anymore - then you cant afford it. you suffer from beeing vain when you re not handsome. thats at least my theory. life is not all about looks. there is more about it.

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» haha yeah, youre so right. I don’t tell anyone as well :). Visiting this
» forum is like being with a prostitute :slight_smile:

:slight_smile:

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I don’t agree with the American university crap either, but I believe the United States invests more money than the UK in stem cell research. Only federal money is blocked. California alone has invested $3 billion in stem cell research. And there are many other states as well researching too.

I don’t disagree with you that blocking federal funding for stem cells is wrong, so there is no need to make that point again. I agree with you there. However, to then jump to the illogical conclusion, which many do, that there is little or no research going is wrong as well. The U.S. is doing much research. And if you base it on total investment, I believe the U.S. is more active in this area than the UK.

Who is making the most progress? That I don’t know. More money does not necessarily mean more progress. Perhaps the UK is the leader there. But you stated that the UK was the leader because they don’t have a president that vetoes that type of legislation, and that is incorrect.

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I wouldnt feel so bad about hanging here or being interested in a resolution to hairloss. Something Ive noticed. When I confided in other men with hairloss that it deeply affected me they always said that they fealt the same way but had never confided in anybody about. The only reason they opened up was because I opened up first. Most were afraid to confide in anybody how much it hurt them. Thats the way men are and are expected to be. You will find that if you speak with any man especially those who are affeted early in life with hairloss they will tell you it was a huge trauma. Even people who have learned to deal with it have had times where it bothered them. Very few men lose there hair and are really just OK with it. They do exist and older people deal better then young but you would be surprised at the ampont of people that seem OK with their hairloss who inside are very torn up about it.

Guys just dont usally talk about these types of things with other guys or just make fun of their baldy friends not realizing that inside it is crushing them.

I have had friends who werent bald who knew how much it bothered me who didnt think much of it. Didnt seem to think it was a big deal. Knew i was interested in thecnology to deal with HL who at the first signs of Mild HL came to me right away asking what they should do.

I laugh at people who tell you its not a big deal and then wont leave the house until there hair is washed and styled and their hair looks infinetly better then mine when they havent washed it or styled it and they wont leave the house until they do so.

Deal with it if you can but dont do a double beat up on yourself for being concerned about it. You feel like a loser for having no hair and then like a loser for worrying about it. Your not a loser for either. Dont beat yourself up for it affecting you, its just a double whammy. You may not have much control over hairloss but you some control over how it makes you feel and no need to beat yourself up twice.

Hairloss is exactly that- a loss. Some people deal better with loss then others.

Cheers. I hope that makes you feel a little better.