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Differences in the Techniques of Dr Cole vs Dr A and Dr Umar

I don’t know if I have ever said this heliboy. Congrats on your obvious change and good work by UMAR.

“Can’t you see that the minute you say that one doctor has questioned another doctors ethics, you’re immediately casting the ‘accused’ doctor in an unfavourable light?[…] all it takes is for somebody new to these forums who is researching a HT doctor to stumble across your ‘innocent’ post and immediately be turned off the criticised doctor, without further research to determine whether the attack is justified or not[…]In this case, though, I’m afraid you’re completely out of line[…]”

I don’t feel any responsibility for people who are too lazy to ask questions or do research before they choose a doctor. If people can’t take 5 minutes to find out if and why Dr Cole has criticized Dr Umar’s ethics, I am not responsible for their laziness. Also, I think when someone with Dr Cole’s reputation is questioning another doctor’s ethics, that’s not something that should be banned from polite discourse. I just didn’t want to discuss it in this particular thread. The Dr Umar patients seem determined to stoke that fire, though, by claiming the subject should be banned altogether. I am “completely out of line” for mentioning it? Is Dr Cole completely out of line when he says,

“Regarding new comer physicians with a limited track record of results, I have only a few comments. One guy did not have any results what so ever a couple of years ago. He down loaded results from another website and posted it as his own work. He even kept a photo of Dr. Shapiro’s surgery staff on the front of his website right up until the first of last summer. Anohter new comer has taken photos of my patient’s scalp hair transplant growth and passed it off as his own body hair growth on more than one occassion. they may one day prove to be very good physicians, but thus far, their ethics have been lacking. One should also realize that the only significant scarring on the body that I’ve seen was the result of new comer. rather than offer to help his patient, he threatened to sue him for exposing him.”

This quote is in a thread that mentions Dr A and Dr Umar repeatedly, so I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to conclude that, in the quote above, Dr Cole might talking about those two men (although he doesn’t name names). So, is Dr Cole “completely out of line” with his comments? If so, is it because they aren’t true, or because they are true and irrelevant, or because they are true and damaging ?

For the record, I have nothing against Dr Umar. Whether he, as I believe, is one of the doctors mentioned in Dr Cole’s comment above or not, I know of nothing that suggests a person will regret going to him for a HT. In fact, his patients are fiercely loyal, which speaks well of the man. So, the irony is that what Dr Umar’s patients disagree with me about is not Dr Umar, but whether or not we should pretend Dr Cole has never expressed concerns about a couple of doctors that, I suspect, are Dr A and Dr Umar. I didn’t know there was a rule requiring everyone to pretend that never happened and that failure to pretend would be perceived as stepping out of line. Now that I know, I still don’t care.

» “Can’t you see that the minute you say that one doctor has questioned
» another doctors ethics, you’re immediately casting the ‘accused’ doctor in
» an unfavourable light?[…] all it takes is for somebody new to these forums
» who is researching a HT doctor to stumble across your ‘innocent’ post and
» immediately be turned off the criticised doctor, without further research
» to determine whether the attack is justified or not[…]In this case,
» though, I’m afraid you’re completely out of line[…]”

»
» I don’t feel any responsibility for people who are too lazy to ask
» questions or do research before they choose a doctor. If people can’t take
» 5 minutes to find out if and why Dr Cole has criticized Dr Umar’s ethics, I
» am not responsible for their laziness. Also, I think when someone with Dr
» Cole’s reputation is questioning another doctor’s ethics, that’s
» not something that should be banned from polite discourse. I just didn’t
» want to discuss it in this particular thread. The Dr Umar patients seem
» determined to stoke that fire, though, by claiming the subject should be
» banned altogether. I am “completely out of line” for mentioning it? Is Dr
» Cole completely out of line when he says,
»
» “Regarding new comer physicians with a limited track record of results, I
» have only a few comments. One guy did not have any results what so ever a
» couple of years ago. He down loaded results from another website and
» posted it as his own work. He even kept a photo of Dr. Shapiro’s surgery
» staff on the front of his website right up until the first of last summer.
» Anohter new comer has taken photos of my patient’s scalp hair transplant
» growth and passed it off as his own body hair growth on more than one
» occassion. they may one day prove to be very good physicians, but thus
» far, their ethics have been lacking. One should also realize that the only
» significant scarring on the body that I’ve seen was the result of new
» comer. rather than offer to help his patient, he threatened to sue him for
» exposing him.”
»
» This quote is in a thread that mentions Dr A and Dr Umar repeatedly, so I
» don’t think it is too much of a stretch to conclude that, in the quote
» above, Dr Cole might talking about those two men (although he doesn’t
»
name names). So, is Dr Cole “completely out of line” with his
» comments? If so, is it because they aren’t true, or because they are true
» and irrelevant, or because they are true and damaging ?
»
» For the record, I have nothing against Dr Umar. Whether he, as I believe,
» is one of the doctors mentioned in Dr Cole’s comment above or not, I know
» of nothing that suggests a person will regret going to him for a HT. In
» fact, his patients are fiercely loyal, which speaks well of the man. So,
» the irony is that what Dr Umar’s patients disagree with me about is not Dr
» Umar, but whether or not we should pretend Dr Cole has never expressed
» concerns about a couple of doctors that, I suspect, are Dr A and Dr Umar.
» I didn’t know there was a rule requiring everyone to pretend that never
» happened and that failure to pretend would be perceived as stepping out of
» line. Now that I know, I still don’t care.

it is obvious to me, that you are of the opinion that the suspicions cast on Dr Umar and Dr A by Cole, are valid

that is why you screechingly defend his posting them, and why you REPOSTED them

your lame denials, and attempts to paint Dr Umars patients in a bad light , for defending him, are laughable

your whole intent by posting the post, to make both of These Drs look bad is, very obvious and transparent, and you are not fooling anyone

“it is obvious to me, that you are of the opinion that the suspicions cast on Dr Umar and Dr A by Cole, are valid
that is why you screechingly defend his posting them, and why you REPOSTED them”

Yeah, 'cause that makes so much sense. I posted a thread that says, “I want to talk about techniques, not Cole’s criticisms of Dr A and Dr Umar” because I wanted to talk about Cole’s criticisms of Dr A and Dr Umar, not techniques. My cleverness is Machiavellian, isn’t it? But, what a gamble I was taking! I mean, what if there hadn’t been any Dr Umar patients with knee-jerk disorders to play into my hands?? What if shudder everyone had done what I’d asked and focused on techniques?? Why, Dr Umar may have accidently benefited from my thread! THE HORROR! Can you imagine how all my carefully laid plans would have crumbled if people had come to the conclusion that Dr Umar and Dr Cole offer the same procedure for drastically different prices??? Does he? Who knows?

“your lame denials, and attempts to paint Dr Umars patients in a bad light, for defending him, are laughable”

Oh, is that what you guys were doing, defending him? From what? Dr Cole’s criticism? Hmm. No, I don’t see any posts that bothered to do that. All I see are posts that forbid the acknowledgement that Dr Cole’s criticism exists. If the best defense that can be mustered for someone is banning discussion, doesn’t that imply the person can’t be defended on the merits? Which again raises my question of whether mentioning Cole’s criticism is out of line because it isn’t true, or because it is true and irrelevant, or because it is true and damaging? By the way, you’re right that I did finally repost the criticism here, after spending four days saying I didn’t want to talk about it. I did it because you guys wouldn’t drop the whole “shame on you” routine, and because it was suggested that lazy lurkers wouldn’t look any further than my comments before drawing hasty conclusions. So, I did the work for them, so now they can draw their own conclusions. As I said in my previous post, Dr Cole’s comments notwithstanding, Dr Umar still apparently does great hair transplants. That’s why I am interested in finding out more about him and his differences with Dr Cole (who also does great hair transplants). You know, I suspect if one were to check they would find I have said more positive things about Dr Umar in this thead than has anyone else, even his volunteer forum police.

“your whole intent by posting the post, to make both of These Drs look bad is, very obvious and transparent, and you are not fooling anyone”

Well, I don’t know how I could have believed for a second I could put one over on you. After all, they say the truly paranoid are rarely conned.

» “it is obvious to me, that you are of the opinion that the
» suspicions cast on Dr Umar and Dr A by Cole, are valid
» that is why you screechingly defend his posting them, and why you
» REPOSTED them”

»
» Yeah, 'cause that makes so much sense. I posted a thread that says, “I
» want to talk about techniques, not Cole’s criticisms of Dr A and Dr Umar”
» because I wanted to talk about Cole’s criticisms of Dr A and Dr Umar, not
» techniques. My cleverness is Machiavellian, isn’t it? But, what a gamble I
» was taking! I mean, what if there hadn’t been any Dr Umar patients with
» knee-jerk disorders to play into my hands?? What if shudder
» everyone had done what I’d asked and focused on techniques?? Why, Dr Umar
» may have accidently benefited from my thread! THE HORROR! Can you
» imagine how all my carefully laid plans would have crumbled if people had
» come to the conclusion that Dr Umar and Dr Cole offer the same procedure
» for drastically different prices??? Does he? Who knows?
»
» “your lame denials, and attempts to paint Dr Umars patients in a bad
» light, for defending him, are laughable”

»
» Oh, is that what you guys were doing, defending him? From what? Dr Cole’s
» criticism? Hmm. No, I don’t see any posts that bothered to do that. All I
» see are posts that forbid the acknowledgement that Dr Cole’s criticism
» exists. If the best defense that can be mustered for someone is banning
» discussion, doesn’t that imply the person can’t be defended on the merits?
» Which again raises my question of whether mentioning Cole’s criticism is
» out of line because it isn’t true, or because it is true and irrelevant,
» or because it is true and damaging? By the way, you’re right that I did
» finally repost the criticism here, after spending four days saying I
» didn’t want to talk about it. I did it because you guys wouldn’t drop the
» whole “shame on you” routine, and because it was suggested that lazy
» lurkers wouldn’t look any further than my comments before drawing hasty
» conclusions. So, I did the work for them, so now they can draw their own
» conclusions. As I said in my previous post, Dr Cole’s comments
» notwithstanding, Dr Umar still apparently does great hair transplants.
» That’s why I am interested in finding out more about him and his
» differences with Dr Cole (who also does great hair transplants). You know,
» I suspect if one were to check they would find I have said more positive
» things about Dr Umar in this thead than has anyone else, even his
» volunteer forum police.
»
» “your whole intent by posting the post, to make both of These Drs look
» bad is, very obvious and transparent, and you are not fooling
» anyone”

»
» Well, I don’t know how I could have believed for a second I could put one
» over on you. After all, they say the truly paranoid are rarely
» conned.

if dr cole wants to have an ax to grind with other docs, it is his deal
reposting his slanderous accusations,make you a party to the con

get real accept who you are
a shill for cole

» if dr cole wants to have an ax to grind with other docs, it is his deal
» reposting his slanderous accusations,make you a party to the
» con
»
» get real accept who you are
» a shill for cole

Thanks for the advice. I feel I should give you something in return:

  1. Sentences begin with capital letters.
  2. Sentences end with punctuation marks (usually you can get by with periods or question marks, unless you want to get fancy).
  3. Proper names like “Dr. Cole” are capitalized.
  4. Commas can be used in a lot of ways, but they can’t be used to make some kind of weird hyper-elongated semi-ellipsis (e.g., “,” )

We could go deeper into correcting your grammar ('cause, hey, a guy with your insight doesn’t want to come across as dumb, right?), but you’d probably be better served to devote the balance of your free time to some kind of counseling.

Merry Christmas! :wink:

» » if dr cole wants to have an ax to grind with other docs, it is his deal
» » reposting his slanderous accusations,make you a party to the
» » con
» »
» » get real accept who you are
» » a shill for cole
»
» Thanks for the advice. I feel I should give you something in return:
»
» 1. Sentences begin with capital letters.
» 2. Sentences end with punctuation marks (usually you can get by with
» periods or question marks, unless you want to get fancy).
» 3. Proper names like “Dr. Cole” are capitalized.
» 4. Commas can be used in a lot of ways, but they can’t be used to make
» some kind of weird hyper-elongated semi-ellipsis (e.g., “,” )
»
» We could go deeper into correcting your grammar ('cause, hey, a guy
» with your insight doesn’t want to come across as dumb, right?), but you’d
» probably be better served to devote the balance of your free time to some
» kind of counseling.
»
» Merry Christmas! :wink:

Those who have nothing intelligent to say to refute accusations, or argue a point, usually resort to correcting spelling and punctuation ,using the spell Checker of course

you are not that bright are you

»
» Those who have nothing intelligent to say to refute accusations, or argue
» a point, usually resort to correcting spelling and punctuation ,using
» the spell Checker of course

Couldn’t agree with you more, HanginInThere.
Interesting how quickly the insults start to surface.

RickH, seeing as you seem to be missing the main point of both of my posts, which is that you could have asked your original question in a way that didn’t bring ethics into it once, you yourself are the only one to blame in this entire thread. I admire the way you’re trying to deflect everything with verbal sleight of hand, but not one person here is fooled by it, I’m sorry to say. We all see that, whether you’re a Cole Mole or not, you’re inflaming Dr Umar supporters by constantly referring to and reciting another doctors unproven slanderous accusations!?
Are you truly oblivious to this? Or simply too arrogant to admit it?
And here’s something to chew on…
Don’t you find it a little “unethical” that a reputable HT doctor should have to resort to slandering his competition on his website? This alone seems “unethical” to me?
I don’t know of any other doctors who focus so intently on what other doctors are doing.
A truly respectable doctor, in my opinion, is one who focuses on nothing but his own work, professional growth, and satisfied patients.

Oh, and naturally, I only expect you to respond to this if my punctuation is fully in order…!

i be sittn here and be not undastandin what rick be sayin bout grammas. my grammar is be perfects. i be done gone to colleges and gradimacated.

By the way Rick… you stepped over the line when you attacked Hanginthere. He is like a pitbull. He won’t let go until he wins. And I don’t blame him in this situation.:expressionless:

» By the way Rick… you stepped over the line when you attacked
» Hanginthere. He is like a pitbull. He won’t let go until he wins. And I

A rabid Pit bull

» i be sittn here and be not undastandin what rick be sayin bout grammas. my
» grammar is be perfects. i be done gone to colleges and gradimacated.
»
»
» By the way Rick… you stepped over the line when you attacked
» Hanginthere. He is like a pitbull. He won’t let go until he wins. And I
» don’t blame him in this situation.:expressionless:

this situation is like someone saying…to their neighbor…by the way , what do you think about the allegations, that the other neighbor is a pedophile. Now I am not agreeing that he is one but what do you think about the allegations

then all the neighbors start saying,Hey did you hear jim is a pedophile

repeating unsubstantiated rumors is just as bad as making the accustation in the first place

» » i be sittn here and be not undastandin what rick be sayin bout grammas.
» my
» » grammar is be perfects. i be done gone to colleges and gradimacated.
» »
» »
» » By the way Rick… you stepped over the line when you attacked
» » Hanginthere. He is like a pitbull. He won’t let go until he wins. And I
» » don’t blame him in this situation.:expressionless:
»
» this situation is like someone saying…to their
» neighbor…by the way , what do you think about the allegations,
» that the other neighbor is a pedophile. Now I am not agreeing that he is
» one but what do you think about the allegations
»
» then all the neighbors start saying,Hey did you hear jim is a
» pedophile
»
» repeating unsubstantiated rumors is just as bad as making the accustation
» in the first place

Exactly. If you throw mud on the wall, some are bound to stick.

This really is a dirty business.

Pitty.
:expressionless:

Can someone tell me what’s going on ? I hate to miss a good show :slight_smile: hehe,

i still have a lot of xmas shopping to do, i dont want to read from the beginning.

» Can someone tell me what’s going on ? I hate to miss a good show :slight_smile: hehe,
»
»
» i still have a lot of xmas shopping to do, i dont want to read from the
» beginning.

I’m kind of baffled about parts of this thread also… So I cannot actually summarize for you of what is going.

Please lets get back to the original question

What are the differences in the Techniques of Dr Cole vs Dr A and Dr Umar if any.

If any one has even 0.1% to add JUST TO THE ABOVE QUESTION, pls do so.

We all have ONE COMMON ENEMY to fight that is MPB.

» Couldn’t agree with you more, HanginInThere.
» Interesting how quickly the insults start to surface.

Not that I expect you to approach the question honestly, but anyone else that cares to can review the thread and see who started the personal attacks.

» RickH, seeing as you seem to be missing the main point of both of my
» posts, which is that you could have asked your original question in a way
» that didn’t bring ethics into it once,

If you have read my comments in this thread, you would know I have said as much more than once. In my attempt to keep the thread from going off on a tangent, I accidentally gave a couple of you the excuse you needed not to focus on the topic.

» whether you’re a Cole Mole or
» not, you’re inflaming Dr Umar supporters by constantly referring to and
» reciting another doctors unproven slanderous accusations!?
» Don’t you find it a little “unethical” that a reputable HT doctor should
» have to resort to slandering his competition on his website? This alone
» seems “unethical” to me?

Constantly referring to them? Really? Or responding to a couple of Dr Umar patients who won’t drop the matter? And that’s twice you mentioned “slander.” You’re accusing Dr Cole of an unlawful act? By the way, for something to be slander, it has to be untrue. Do you know if it’s untrue? If it is true, do you think you’re slandering Dr Cole?

» Oh, and naturally, I only expect you to respond to this if my punctuation
» is fully in order…!

Well, it’s Christmas, so I responded even though you seem to confuse question marks with periods quite a bit. You’re not as dumb as HangingInThere, but you’re trying.

To bring some kind of closure to this, I’ll let you wet your pants, stomp your foot, call me names, and have the last word between you and I.

» Those who have nothing intelligent to say to refute accusations, or argue
» a point, usually resort to correcting spelling and punctuation ,using
» the spell Checker of course
»
» you are not that bright are you

C’mon, Lenny, don’t be like that. If you behave I’ll tell you about the rabbits again.

Well you are correct about slanderous comments. They have to be untrue to be considered a slander.

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