Consult w/ Dr Gho on Weds (Oct 12th), what do you want me to ask?

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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Hi.

I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I actually had something to contribute.

So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.

My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.

I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).

I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.

So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…

I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or showing any photos.

The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the more we’ll find out about it.

I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.

P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.

Regards
C

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» Hi.
»
» I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I
» actually had something to contribute.
»
» So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.
»
» My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor
» regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than
» nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.
»
» I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho
» is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how
» many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes
» un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s
» definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).
»
» I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle
» cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.
»
» So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and
» the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…
»
» I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the
» whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or
» showing any photos.
»
» The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the
» more we’ll find out about it.
»
» I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for
» me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have
» to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.
»
»
» P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t
» know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and
» say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and
» before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.
»
»
» Regards
» C

Really nice story, people who are suffering from Baldness have different opinion and experience but sharing this information will definitely help others.

3

» Hi.
»
» I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I
» actually had something to contribute.
»
» So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.
»
» My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor
» regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than
» nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.
»
» I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho
» is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how
» many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes
» un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s
» definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).
»
» I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle
» cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.
»
» So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and
» the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…
»
» I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the
» whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or
» showing any photos.
»
» The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the
» more we’ll find out about it.
»
» I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for
» me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have
» to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.
»
»
» P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t
» know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and
» say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and
» before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.
»
»
» Regards
» C

Yes, please do keep track and post…

from my research I think that you’ll be happy with Gho… but obviously nobody can say anything for sure just yet… good luck and thanks for taking the time

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Ask him what is the highest number of grafts that he has transplanted on a single patient (in total, not in a single session, but across the years), and ask him for photos of this patient.

Ask him if he is able to transplant 2300+2300 grafts in 2 consecutive days.
(and again, ask him for photos of any patient who has undergone that).

c5000, one question for you:
you emailed them on 10-Sept, and they gave you a consultation for 12-Sept? Is the consultation with Gho himself?

thanks!

» Hi.
»
» I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I
» actually had something to contribute.
»
» So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.
»
» My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor
» regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than
» nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.
»
» I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho
» is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how
» many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes
» un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s
» definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).
»
» I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle
» cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.
»
» So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and
» the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…
»
» I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the
» whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or
» showing any photos.
»
» The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the
» more we’ll find out about it.
»
» I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for
» me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have
» to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.
»
»
» P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t
» know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and
» say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and
» before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.
»
»
» Regards
» C

5

Hi SpanishDude

I emailed yesterday (10th of october) and they offered me the choice of yesterday, today or tomorrow. (10th, 11th or 12th)

“You are always welcome to come for consultation in London. By coincidence, we are in London today, tomorrow Tuesday October 11th, 2011 and Wednesday October 12th, 2011.”

It does seem like my consultation will be with DR Gho because he said from his email address that he would see me on Wednesday.

One thing I want to ask him is that on his email he says donor regrowth of 70-80% whereas on the website it says “you don’t lose any hair”… While donor regrowth of any number is great for me, I really feel that this should be cleared up, is it 100% regrowth or 70-80% regrowth.

If anyone wants me to ask anything else, could they please reply asap, as my consultation is 14:00 tomorrow London time, and 9am US time.

Regards
c5000

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  1. What is the maximum number of sessions a person can do, given its a full 1700 Graft session or higher

  2. What is the maximum density which can be achieved overall

  3. Any plans to increase the rate of extracted hair from current 2300 tops to lets say 3000

Anyway even with 70 to 80% full regeneration, it will completely restore a NW7

Good choice btw

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yes, I would suggest asking generally what the limits of HST are. Or if he will be able to restore a full head of hair for you.

best of luck

» Hi.
»
» I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I
» actually had something to contribute.
»
» So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.
»
» My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor
» regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than
» nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.
»
» I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho
» is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how
» many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes
» un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s
» definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).
»
» I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle
» cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.
»
» So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and
» the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…
»
» I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the
» whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or
» showing any photos.
»
» The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the
» more we’ll find out about it.
»
» I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for
» me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have
» to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.
»
»
» P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t
» know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and
» say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and
» before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.
»
»
» Regards
» C

8

But with 70-80% regrowth, isn’t there a chance that the donor hair will run out?

If only 70-80% is regrown each time?

Regards
c5000

9

» But with 70-80% regrowth, isn’t there a chance that the donor hair will run
» out?
»
» If only 70-80% is regrown each time?
»
» Regards
» c5000

Yes but you wont live that long actually. Just assume you have 6000 Available Grafts and you would fully transplant them. Then you got 4500 regenerated. Now you transplant those 4500 and you got 3500 regenerated.

This means you got 10.500 transplanted and still 3500 more to go you can play this through all over.

Transplant 3500 and you got 2500 regenerated. Transplant 2500 and you got 1500 rgenerated. Transplant 1500 and you got 500 or so.

All in all you got around 18.000 transplanted full staying grafts. And this is more then a NW7 would need.

And to be honest WHERE would you put 18.000 on an average bald head? The frontal zone lets say 4000 Grafts and its pretty dense. Your middle part 3000 perhaps.

And your crown needs 6000 to be full restored. What yo you do with your last 5000 Grafts? Except lowering hair line or something

But i openly admit its a money matter, it is

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» » But with 70-80% regrowth, isn’t there a chance that the donor hair will
» run
» » out?
» »
» » If only 70-80% is regrown each time?
» »
» » Regards
» » c5000
»
» Yes but you wont live that long actually. Just assume you have 6000
» Available Grafts and you would fully transplant them. Then you got 4500
» regenerated. Now you transplant those 4500 and you got 3500 regenerated.
»
» This means you got 10.500 transplanted and still 3500 more to go you can
» play this through all over.
»
» Transplant 3500 and you got 2500 regenerated. Transplant 2500 and you got
» 1500 rgenerated. Transplant 1500 and you got 500 or so.
»
» All in all you got around 18.000 transplanted full staying grafts. And this
» is more then a NW7 would need.
»
» And to be honest WHERE would you put 18.000 on an average bald head? The
» frontal zone lets say 4000 Grafts and its pretty dense. Your middle part
» 3000 perhaps.
»
» And your crown needs 6000 to be full restored. What yo you do with your
» last 5000 Grafts? Except lowering hair line or something
»
» But i openly admit its a money matter, it is

But wouldn’t it be noticeable that the 6000 original grafts had visibly thinned or dissappeared. The top of my scalp could end up looking great, while the back of my head could look really thin?

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» But wouldn’t it be noticeable that the 6000 original grafts had visibly
» thinned or dissappeared. The top of my scalp could end up looking great,
» while the back of my head could look really thin?

I think it depends on your donor, but in theory most of the 6,000 wouldnt be missing they’d have regenerated

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» » But wouldn’t it be noticeable that the 6000 original grafts had visibly
» » thinned or dissappeared. The top of my scalp could end up looking great,
» » while the back of my head could look really thin?
»
» I think it depends on your donor, but in theory most of the 6,000 wouldnt
» be missing they’d have regenerated

Exactly i was talking about if you would harvest the whole 6000 grafts in one run. After this run you would have around 5000 or so Grafts remaining. And your donor will be “undense” if those secure 6000 Grafts would be fully grafted off, but unfortunately you will die long before this would happen.

Man this gives me the creeps somehow, also the 70 to 80% regeneration is Ghos typical “Overcareful” talking which of course is annoying :slight_smile:

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» » » But wouldn’t it be noticeable that the 6000 original grafts had
» visibly
» » » thinned or dissappeared. The top of my scalp could end up looking
» great,
» » » while the back of my head could look really thin?
» »
» » I think it depends on your donor, but in theory most of the 6,000
» wouldnt
» » be missing they’d have regenerated
»
» Exactly i was talking about if you would harvest the whole 6000 grafts in
» one run. After this run you would have around 5000 or so Grafts remaining.
» And your donor will be “undense” if those secure 6000 Grafts would be fully
» grafted off, but unfortunately you will die long before this would happen.
»
» Man this gives me the creeps somehow, also the 70 to 80% regeneration is
» Ghos typical “Overcareful” talking which of course is annoying :slight_smile:

I really hope I’m not sounding stupid, or argumentative here… But if the same donor area is re-used say 3 times. e.g.

1st time: 6000 - 25% = 4500
2nd time: 4500 - 25% = 3375
3rd time: 3375 - 25% = 2531.25

Doesn’t this mean that, if say on average if only 75% is regenerated in the donor after each procedure, then I’d go from having 6000 donor hairs to 2531.25 donor hairs? Surely that would be noticabley thinner?

Again, I’m not looking for an argument, I’m just curious.

Another question I’m going to ask him, is if the level of regrowth decreases every time you use the same donor area.

Also going to ask him if he uses single hairs for hairline re-structuring… is this the way other HT Doctors do it? Is this how a hairline should be?

Regards
c5000

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Sorry my mistake, when i talked about those 6000 i menat that this is the magic number of full grafts which can be extracted BEFORE a visible depleation can be seen.

And thats it :slight_smile: Thats why i said you will be long dead before this happens, long dead.

Even with only 3000 Grafts in the secure donor area, a NW7 can be restored because those 70 to 80% are just a base value on what to expect as a minimum (you know Gho overcareful talking sigh)

But in general you can assume that a virgin scalp balding person has 5000 secure Grafts available unless he had prior surgeries done.

And i think with 5000 Grafts and regeneration rates of a median of 75% you can achieve at least a dense NW2 look without comb over.

But one thing is for sure, i personally think that you can become addicted to HST :expressionless: i mean if you are bald and you get this done and you like your first round and your donor is intact and you got the money, would you stop then? I certainly wouldnt

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Hi, don’t forget to take pictures not only after the procedure but before too.
And of course good luck, really hoping Gho to be the solution not only to you but to most of baldies.

16

As you may know, I had 700 grafts done on 12th Sept, I’m happy up to now, I think I’ve only lost about 10% of the grafts, possibly less, the rest seem to be about 1 cm long now. It’s early days of course, but all good so far.

I’ve actually emailed Gho today asking when I can have my next procedure, it was Gho that actually suggested having my 2nd procedure sooner than the stated 9 months, but instead next time taking the grafts from a different section of the donor.

All the best,

Gaz

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Hi c5000:
it is a bit strange that Gho states the donor regrowth at only 70-80%.
for example, in 2005 he gave interviews, for example, to James Bond, and he talked about more than 80% regrowth.
Also, in the JDT article (2010) he did a small test on 5 patients, and supossedly got more than 95% regrowth (and he harvested very hard, 57 grafts/cm2).

Anyway, IF you get a 75% regrowth, you should be happy.
With 75% regrowth, you will have no problems of donor depletion.
Normally the donor area has more than 10,000 grafts, and you can extract 5,000 and still have decent cover. Of course this varies wildly between patients, but it is a rough number.
So, you can extract 10000, and you will regenerate 7500. Then you extract 7500, and you will regenerate 5625. Overall, you have planted 17500 grafts in the recipient area and still keeping 5625 in the donor.
This is IF you have 75% regrowth.

cheers!

» Hi SpanishDude
»
» I emailed yesterday (10th of october) and they offered me the choice of
» yesterday, today or tomorrow. (10th, 11th or 12th)
»
» “You are always welcome to come for consultation in London. By coincidence,
» we are in London today, tomorrow Tuesday October 11th, 2011 and Wednesday
» October 12th, 2011.”
»
» It does seem like my consultation will be with DR Gho because he said from
» his email address that he would see me on Wednesday.
»
»
» One thing I want to ask him is that on his email he says donor regrowth of
» 70-80% whereas on the website it says “you don’t lose any hair”… While
» donor regrowth of any number is great for me, I really feel that this
» should be cleared up, is it 100% regrowth or 70-80% regrowth.
»
» If anyone wants me to ask anything else, could they please reply asap, as
» my consultation is 14:00 tomorrow London time, and 9am US time.
»
»
»
» Regards
» c5000

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Hi Gaz!
You are now at 1 month post op. Could you take a picture of the recipient? I am very interested to see the growth of the 2-hair grafts. As I told you, I noticed in the photo you posted, that in some of these grafts, 1 hair was growing but the other one was not. I would like to check this.

I would prefer like photos of the frontal area. This allows for easier comparison.
If you have photos of this area at 1 week post-op, please post them too.

1 cm/month is the normal rate of hair growth.
so, the ones that keep growing, are doing it at the normal rate.
Still, they could fall anyway, even if they keep growing after transplant.

Gho’s suggestion of using a different part of the donor is logical, considering that he only extracted 700 grafts,and only part of the donor was used. But of course, this will delay our “study” of your donor regeneration.

Please, if you are going for a second session, tell us before you go.

thanks!

» As you may know, I had 700 grafts done on 12th Sept, I’m happy up to now, I
» think I’ve only lost about 10% of the grafts, possibly less, the rest seem
» to be about 1 cm long now. It’s early days of course, but all good so far.
»
» I’ve actually emailed Gho today asking when I can have my next procedure,
» it was Gho that actually suggested having my 2nd procedure sooner than the
» stated 9 months, but instead next time taking the grafts from a different
» section of the donor.
»
» All the best,
»
» Gaz

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» Hi.
»
» I’ve read these threads on this forum, but only wanted to register when I
» actually had something to contribute.
»
» So I’ve booked a consultation with Dr Gho in London for this Wednesday.
»
» My hairloss is getting pretty bad now, and for me with the issue of donor
» regeneration, even if 50% of the donor hair regenerates, its better than
» nothing isn’t it? As long as I don’t get any scarring then I’ll be happy.
»
» I’ve read through this forum, and there is a lot of debate as to how Dr Gho
» is doing this technique, whether there is regeneration in the donor and how
» many procedures you can get before your donor runs out or becomes
» un-usable. I’ve weighed up all the knowns and unkowns and to me, it’s
» definately worth having the procedure done while I’m young (I’m 26).
»
» I’ve thought long and hard, and I could wait for years for some miracle
» cure for baldness, or I could act now and enjoy what is left of my 20’s.
»
» So anyway, I thought I’d use my experience from Wednesdays consultation and
» the eventual procedure to hopefully answer some questions…
»
» I plan on taking as good a quality photographs as I can throughout the
» whole process. I have absolutely no problem answering any questions, or
» showing any photos.
»
» The way I see it, the more people take the plunge with this technique, the
» more we’ll find out about it.
»
» I’m hoping that I’ll be able to “top up” my hair every year or so and for
» me, money isn’t the issue, I think its a bargain if it works, I’d just have
» to sacrifice a few things to make sure I can afford it.
»
»
» P.S. sorry if this post isn’t in a very structured order, I kind of didn’t
» know where to start. I wanted to introduce myself in a few posts first and
» say how I was planning on booking a consultation, but I emailed today and
» before I knew it, I’d agreed to a consultation on Wedesday.
»
»
» Regards

Hi guys, I have to make this post short and sweet as I’m in work. I asked Dr Gho loads of questions but for me the biggest answers were that one guy has had NINE procedures, I’ll list the rest later when I’m done in work.

Regards
c5000

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Hi guys, I’m really sorry I can’t put up all the answers to the questions just now, I’m really busy in work and shouldn’t really be on this forum at all.

I will post all my questions and answers as soon as I get home from work, in about 10 hours time.

But I just wanted to post what Dr Gho said about donor regeneration yesterday. He said in theory 80-90% donor regeneration, but in his experience, he has seen 95% regeneration.

But here’s the big thing for me… He said they GUARANTEE 80-90%!!

So I guess if they guarantee that and then don’t produce it, they can be held accountable? Yeah?

I’m 90% sure I’ll get the procedure, Dr Gho seems really genuine… he said I have FEMALE pattern baldness, not male, and that I would require 1400-1600 grafts at a cost of £7700 (UK) or 8,800 Euros.

So I guess the only issue for me is finding the money.

He is booked up until May in London, and he told me that he only does procedures himself in London now, as he is concentrating on research.

Dr Gho said that the guy who had NINE procedures done, wanted to stay private, as he didn’t want people to know. Apparantly this guy had one of the first procedures done back in 2005 when they could only do 500 grafts.

I also remember Gho saying they have done over 3000 procedures to date. But I’ll verify that when I see my notes when I get home.

Regards
C5000